RE: Cansema etc

[Guest guest]

Here is some more information about the black salve paste.

I have used a " black slave " to eliminate some small cancerous growths from

my skin in the past.

This burns quite a bit when first applied, however, it has been very

effective.

The woman mentioned below, who used it on breast cancer, did so with quite a

lot of pain, however, it accomplished it's purpose.

Treating the area after the salve has done it's work with a mixture of 50%

Colloidal Silver and 50% Willard Water (properly diluted) has been reported

to speed healing of the skin and minimize scarring.

My understanding is that the Black Salve is made from this formula:

25% Galangal root powder (3 TBS)

25% Bloodroot (3 TBS)

50% Zinc Chloride (6 TBS)

Here is a source for the Black Salve that is much less expensive than the

Cansema folks:

A very pleasant (and modest) woman:

nne Telesca

Choice Alternative Products

choicealtprods@...

412.716.8262

She uses the formula that I have seen posted to make the quickest acting

salve.

FYI. Here is an email from her that I saved from another list awhile back.

Quite remarkable.

<snip>

Just curious, for what it's worth, have you considered using the black salve

on the cancer? I have a customer who recently removed a 4 x 6 x 2 inch thick

breast cancer using my salve. If you're not interested, there's no need to

reply. Just trying to help.

nne Telesca

Choice Alternative Products

<end snip>

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Here is another site that discusses cancer salves in detail and offers a

book on how to make them:

http://www.cancersalves.com/introduction/introduction.html

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BLACK SALVE

(A FOLK REMEDY)

NOTE: NO CLAIMS CAN BE LEGALLY MADE ABOUT THE BLACK SALVE. THIS

INSTRUCTIONAL

DOCUMENT HAS BEEN PREPARED AS A NARRATION OF WHAT USERS HAVE REPORTED TO BE

THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO USE THE SALVE AS A FOLK REMEDY, AND WHAT SOME HAVE

REPORTED AS RESULTS. IT IS NOT INTENDED AS A REPORT OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES

AND

IT IS NOT OFFERED AS ENDORSED BY THE AMA OR THE FDA. IT IS INTENDED TO BE AN

HONEST REPORT OF WHAT IS KNOWN FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED.

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND

In 1890, Tom McCrorey was diagnosed by physicians as having incurable,

cancerous tumors on his neck. They refused to operate, not wanting to risk

his jugular vein. Tom said he paid attention to a repeated dream that came

to him about how to make a medicine to cure himself. He obtained the

elements and herbs for the medicine from some gypsies traveling through

Texas at the time, mixed up a black salve and applied it to his tumors.

In less than a month, Tom was healed and went on to live another 70

years. Over his lifetime, he was a preacher, rancher, doctor, farmer and

sheriff under Judge , living with a strength that became legendary.

Tom kept the formula for the black salve to himself, except for sharing it

with an old friend. After Tom's long life, his son, , and grandson,

Mickey, sought out the old friend who taught them how to make the salve.

McCrorey, attempting to make the black salve available to everyone,

started a company in the 1960's. The company had some tests done on the

Salve in the early 70's at the University of Colorado, to discover more

about it. The Veterinarian College at Ft. tested the Salve on all

viruses known at the time. They discovered that the Salve killed those known

viruses on contact. They discovered that with one application, sarcoids on

horses (similar to skin cancer) had an 80% cure and with two applications,

they achieved 100% cure.

For many years, the Salve had been used to cure cancer eye in cows, save

herds of calves from early viral diseases, treat sarcoids on horses and to

treat abnormal tissue growths in all kinds of pets. For years, by word of

mouth, ranchers, homesteaders and folks of the rodeo circuits used it on

external cancer, tumors and growths on themselves. Some successfully treated

gangrene and even leprosy in situations far from towns and doctors.

Tom's son, McCrorey, was the first to use the Salve internally.

He

had been diagnosed as having stomach cancer in the 1960's. After he checked

himself in the hospital for surgery the night before, he took the first dose

of the Salve in a capsule without telling his doctors. The next morning they

postponed his surgery because he was running a fever which continued for

several days. On the fifth day, said he passed a large quantity of

black, vile smelling feces - apparently the growth itself. When the doctors

took x-rays, they discovered that the cancerous growth was gone. went

on to live another 25 years, without recurring stomach cancer. He later used

the Salve to cure himself of bone cancer in the 80's.

During his life, provided the Salve to thousands of people who

had heard of it by word of mouth. He accepted donations from those who

couldafford it to cover the costs of the ingredients and his time in

preparing and shipping the salve. In his seventies, got caught in a

blizzard and died of pneumonia. Several close relatives carried on his work

with the Salve.

RECIPE

25% Galangal root powder (3 tablespoons)

25% Bloodroot powder (3 tablespoons)

50% Zinc Chloride (6 tablespoons)

Set Zinc Chloride in a bowl (uncovered) to liquefy. Depending on heat and

humidity, it may take 11/2 to 4 days. Then add the remaining herbs and stir

thoroughly. It will be thin at first but will thicken up.

TOPICAL USE

Black Salve is not a gentle healer. In many reported cases, it is a

relentless substance which hunts down and penetrates all abnormal tissue.

Pain, swelling and sometimes fever is associated during its use. Animals

seem to mind it less than people. In almost all reported re-growth of either

healthy tissue or scar tissue.

More than half the people who have used Black Salve have reported that

they ended with a moderate or heavy scar when they used it externally on

their skin. If scarring cannot be tolerated on the face or elsewhere,

consider this: Vitamin E ointment and castor oil to help with the healing of

the skin.

The following are recommendations based on what the majority of users

have found so far to be effective. These recommendations describe the

absolute MINIMUM doses that people have found to be effective. It cannot be

stressed enough that Black Salve is very potent. Do not assume that if a

little works more will be better. Use the smallest doses possible and

increase only if it truly seems necessary more will possibly extend the

healing period much longer than necessary. Everyone is different, so proceed

cautiously. This salve will cause a burning sensation if there is cancer

present. Begin with a small amount of salve on ONE cancer and follow the

directions. DO NOT OVER DO IT! Some people are able to remove several

cancers at once. Others cannot. You will want to learn your own tolerance

for this

burning sensation, as well as how quickly your body is able to remove the

toxins which will be released, so begin slowly.

Once you have established what is comfortable for you, clean the area

and place a liberal amount of salve on the affected area. Cover with a

bandage

and leave alone for 24 hours. If cancer is present, you will feel a burning

sensation and a white scab will begin to form. If it is not, there should be

no significant effect. If the pain is too severe, then only leave the salve

on for eight hours, wash it off and cover with vitamin E ointment and cover

with a bandage.

Remove the bandage at the end of 24 hours and rinse thoroughly with

hydrogen peroxide (food grade is best) on a cotton ball or Q-tip. After

cleaning, cover well with a softening salve, vitamin E oil or ointment, or

castor oil. If it is burning you may want to use Nature's Way Black

Ointment.

If you feel that you should apply another layer of the salve, it is OK, just

follow the above directions. Then after 24 hours, clean with peroxide and

keep bandaged.

Twice a day (morning and evening), clean the edges to keep them loose

and free of pus. Do not let a hard scab form. Five to seven days should show

the

core loosening up and trying to work its way out. Swelling will most likely

occur and the cancer will be painful and/or itch. This is the normal

reaction. The growth will change color after the first day and may even

become " dead white. " There will sometimes be pus as the body ejects the

mass, just keep it clean. Keep changing the bandage and cleaning the area

until

healed.

More than two applications do not seem to be necessary for external

growths. More applications cause increased pain and longer healing time. DO

NOT TRY TO PULL IT OUT OR FORCE IT IN ANY WAY. THE ROOTS MUST COME OUT OR

DISSOLVE. LET IT DO IT'S OWN THING. IT WILL COME OUT! BE PATIENT!

After the core comes out, you will have a hole in your flesh and you may

even see muscle, but it normally doesn't bleed. This is normal. Keep it

clean, soft and bandaged until the core area is filled in and new skin is

formed. Colloidal silver can also be used before you put a new bandage on.

This will help keep any infection from developing.

INTERNAL USE

What is reported here is the result of informal trial and error on the

part of many non-professional folks intent on healing themselves or their

animals. What follows has been gleaned from letters and interviews with

users over 30 years, which means it is based on experience but is by no

means

complete. Internal cancers of all known body zones have dissolved under the

onslaught of Black Salve. Black Salve hunts down and kills abnormal tissue

wherever it is. The following are known examples:

..Colon cancer and uterine cancer have been healed with not only the internal

dosing described below, but by also using enemas or douche, of one quart

water, to which was added one full " dried pea " volume of salve.

..Brain cancer should be monitored by a professional because of the swelling

that will occur. It may have to be relieved by a surgical hole being placed

in th skull to relieve the pressure.

..Breast cancer has been healed with internal and external applications.

..Emphysema, AIDS and viruses also seem to come under subjection to Black

Salve.

SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS

For the first 20 days, use a non-metal utensil to lift out enough salve

to make a ball HALF the size of a dried pea. Pack the half pea dose into a

gelatin capsule and swallow it after you have eaten a meal! It is somewhat

acidic having a pH like vinegar and could make you nauseated if you take on

an empty stomach. It is best to use wood or plastic utensils when handling

it. For 20 days, take this dose each morning after breakfast and each

evening after dinner. This means take Black Salve for 20 days, twice a day,

always

on a full stomach.

WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT DURING THE FIRST 20 DAYS?

Lymphomas, such as appear on the neck or arm, may change from the

texture of a hard lump to rather soft, pliable, even squishy. During the

first 20

days you may continuously run a low fever. Sweat, urine and feces may take

on offensive odor and be darker than usual. At the 20 day mark, it is wise

to have a competent physician take a biopsy, or test your cancer for

malignancy. For many, but not all people, the test reveals that the

cancerous tissue is dead, but present.

After the first 20 days, during which the salve has built a great deal

of zinc into your system, it is prudent to take a complete five day break

from

the salve. During these five days, you may wish to double you doses of

vitamins and minerals. This helps balance the system. If you think the

illness or growth may still be somewhat present, you may take the salve for

a second 20 day period, just as directed above. If needed, up to four can be

done. After you have completed the internal use, supplement you diet with

vitamins and minerals, fresh clean filtered water, organic veggies and

fruit.

This helps the healing and the rebuilding of your health! Avoid caffeine and

alcohol. Take extra vitamin C!

WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING

BLACK SALVE CONTAINS HERBS THAT ARE LISTED AS POISONOUS BY THE FDA. IT ALSO

CONTAINS ZINC CHLORIDE, WHICH IS VERY CAUSTIC. DO NOT GET IN YOUR EYES. KEEP

OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. IF ACCIDENTAL CONSUMPTION OCCURS, GIVE ACTIVATED

CHARCOAL ORALLY IN POWDER FORM MIXED WITH WATER AND SLOWLY DRINK AS NEEDED.

AVOID ANY POSSIBLE ACCIDENTS. USE EXTREME CAUTION

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From Mr 's list:

Applying this Black Salve to skin cancer or buried tumors not less than one

inch in depth will eliminate the cancerous infection. This procedure is

called escharotic treatment using various herbs. Some know it as burn

surgery .

This salve after applied to the cancerous area for one to two hours will

develop pus. After the dried salve has been cleaned off the raised pus with

H2O2, it will then form a scab called the Eschar. This will fall off on its

own after a five day period and should be kept covered and not picked at.

The skin scarring then begins to heal. There are various remedies that can

be used to speed this up such as adding turmertic to the escharotic.

I found that by keeping it clean with H2O2 before each change of a soft

bandage kept soaked with a 50% mix of Willard Water and CS will return the

skin to almost normal looking within ten more days. It normally takes months

for the skin to heal itself by regrowing new skin.

You've already seen the pics I posted a few weeks ago during the actual

operation and its healing period.

I'll be posting more on this remedy with pics using different herbs from the

book later. The one used for a large brain tumor is most impressive as well

as breast cancer and cancer caused by radiation burning from a nuclear test

in Nevada. The treatment for the radiation burn consisted of one application

and took 16 days to heal. The lady involved was 75 at the time and at 94,

there was no recurrence.

Here is the formula:

Black Salve

PROPORTIONS BY WEIGHT:

25% Galangal root

25% Bloodroot

50% Zinc chloride

Instructions: put the zinc chloride (99.4% pure) in an uncovered glass bowl.

Depending on heat and humidity, it may take as long as four days to liquefy.

Adding distilled water will promote faster liquefication. Grind the herbs;

being careful to keep the temperature below 100F. Add the herbs to the zinc

chloride and stir thoroughly. At first, the mixture will be a bit thin. Add

flour to thicken to the consistency of toothpaste. The pH should be in the

3.7-3.8 range. If not, add more powdered herbs in equal proportions.

Note: do not use metal with zinc chloride. Be sure to add the herbs to the

zinc chloride rather than vice versa and stir with a wooden utensil.

Source: Dan Raber

Raber supports use of this external treatment with internal remedies. He

puts powdered bloodroot and galangal in capsules and uses 20-30 drops of

bloodroot tincture per day. He obeys the rule of suspending

treatment one day per week. He states that the paste is absorbed very

rapidly as after application to a treatment site, it can be tasted in the

mouth within a few seconds. He also noted that some practitioners are adding

pine tar and echinacea to their pastes.

(Cancer Salves, Naiman, pg 203)

Love to All,

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more info. from a " list " .

http://turf.home.mindspring.com/alt/misc/recipes/paste.txt

I thought this would be of interest while on the

subject of Melanoma.

This is a recipe of a black paste very similar to the cansema,

I have used the cansema a lot over the years, but this is my

preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like

lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of

cancers provided that they have become exposed to or very close

to the surface of the skin.

BLACK PASTE

1/2 cup powdered Blood Root (Sanguinaria Canadensis)

1/2 cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid

1/2 cup common white flour (use plain without conditioners)

1 1/2 cup warm water

100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral (Larrea

mexicana)

Pre-mix all but water, thoroughly, before adding to water.

Using stainless steel double boiler. Put in water then stir in

the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon.

Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water stirring constantly.

Application is much the same as cansema, apply a thin layer

(2-3mm) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24

hours. Then remove covering but do not disturb the lesion at

all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it

should fall out by itself in 10 days or so.

Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer

so that the paste does not irritate the surrounding skin. {turf's note:

NEVER put petroleum products on the body, especially if there

is cancer. Use something like Unpetroleum Jelly, available

at health food stores.}

Hope this is helpful.

{More turf's notes - According to those who have used Cansema,

if the lesion is cancerous, it will cause a large scab to form.

If it is not cancer, it may cause some skin irritation but will

not form the large scab. To get the best results, people

usually use aloe juice blotted onto the scab a few times

daily until the scab falls off and the skin underneath

heals. If necessary, another round of Cansema then aloe

juice is used. Use only 's brand aloe juice, which is the only one

without

additives, plus it is widely available in health food stores and

inexpensive.

Note the instruction to use a double boiler. This may be

important so the mixture will not rise above the temperature

of boiling water.}

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Here is some additional information with pictures on applying Black Salve -

in this case it is the Cansema - the " commercial " version of the salve.

http://www.altcancer.com/can5.htm

Google search for " black salve "

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & q=black+salve & btnG=Goog\

le+Search

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Here is a site that sells the Cansema:

http://www.altcancer.com/cansema.htm

Google search for " cansema "

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & q=Cansema & btnG=Google+S\

earch

Dave Perkins

" enjoy being "

Atlanta area 678.560.1808

Toll free 877.461.4463

email: dperkins@...

My web sites: www.betterwayhealth.com (Stage IV Cancer survivor's story

about Ionized Alkaline Water; how he recovered; and how he now maintains

optimum health).

www.aboutbetaglucan.com (How I survived Stage IV

Cancer by Producing a, Maximum Appropriate, Immune Response to regain and

maintain optimum health).

[ ] Herbie in Australia Needs help/Prostate

| CancerTo the Flaxseed Group and Australian members,

|

|

| >Hi All here is an e-mail sent to the Flaxseedoil list requesting

| help. If anyone has an idea or two, it would be welcome. thanks and

| best, and good health to all, Mike Cinelli

| >===================================================================

| >

| >To the Flaxseed Group and Australian members,

| >

| >Help is urgently needed. Here is a copy of my correspondence

| reference Herbie in Australia, Comments and opinions are much

| appreciated and will be forwarded. I will answer privately to any

| suggestions to keep the list clear but i want everyone to know that

| each and every suggestion will be welcome. Thanks. .....

| ~~~~~~~~~~`

|

|

| Hi Mike, at Herbie's stage of cancer, I would very seriously consider

| getting and using the Alpha Omega Labs Cansema Suppositories. These

| are based on the Cansema black topical salve formulation, and I think

| could probably have immediate effect, " if " the herbals can actually

| make direct contact with the tumour/s in the colon.

|

| The suppositories cost about USA$50.00 plus air freight, and you can

| order direct from their order page, via home page at

| www.cansupport.com You need a credit card accepted overseas.

|

| I would think that using the " Cansema Tonic III " and the " Cansema

| Capsules " would also be of help, in conjunction with the Cansema

| CanSupport " ColoRectal " formulation. Until recently AO Labs had the

| CanSupport formulations in one-month-supply bottles of 32 fluid

| ounces, but now they have switched over to capsule formulations. See

| www.altcancer.com/cansupp3.htm

|

| If Herbie has had urine tests, what was the pH reading? If it was

| under 6.4 it is too acidic, and the theory is that cancers thrive in

| acidic environment, but not in alkaline.

|

| If the urine is acidic, either...

| * get an ionic water filter (Japanese make them, but I don't know

| where you can buy one in Australia) which can be set at various pH

| settings for filtered water. These are not cheap, but should last a

| long time, with renewed filters.

|

| * or consider the Cansema HRx concentrate, diluted for drinking water.

| A 32 fl. oz. concentrate bottle will supply about 80 days of drinking

| water, diluted to around 9.0 pH.

|

| Mike, I resell some of the AO Labs Cansema products, and I have the

| CanSupport " ColoRectal " liquid formulation, plus the other

| formulations I mentioned above. Also, I will be getting the

| CanSupport capsules very soon. Please do not think that I am

| " pushing " Cansema products ... I do not want it mentioned on the forum

| that I sell Cansema. You are the first person from the forum I'm

| telling this. --- Also, the " internal " formulations are nowhere near

| as effective as the " black topical salve " skin cancer salve, which

| works just about 100% of the time (I speak from personal experience.)

| Feedback from users of Cansema internal herb formulatons indicate that

| around 20% of users get no benefit at all, though most responses are

| from stage three or stage four cancer sufferers ... also, they work

| out fairly expensive per month.

|

| To repeat, the Cansema suppositories look like the best way to go,

| plus all the other life-style changes you mentioned.

|

| Best wishes,

| " Phinneas "

|

|

|

|

|

[Guest guest]

At 07:47 AM 8/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I'll be posting more on this remedy with pics using different herbs from the

>book later. The one used for a large brain tumor is most impressive as well

>as breast cancer and cancer caused by radiation burning from a nuclear test

>in Nevada. The treatment for the radiation burn consisted of one application

>and took 16 days to heal. The lady involved was 75 at the time and at 94,

>there was no recurrence.

I'd really like to see these, can you post the URL?

Virginia

who has a jar of cansema in the cabinet and is thinking about using it

[Guest guest]

I have a bit of black salve given to me by friend – it is the same recipe

that they call Compound X. I have been thinking of taking it internally.

My friend has healed skin cancer (not the melanoma type) using it both

topically and internally.

Re: [ ] Cansema etc

At 07:47 AM 8/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>I'll be posting more on this remedy with pics using different herbs from

the

>book later. The one used for a large brain tumor is most impressive as well

>as breast cancer and cancer caused by radiation burning from a nuclear test

>in Nevada. The treatment for the radiation burn consisted of one

application

>and took 16 days to heal. The lady involved was 75 at the time and at 94,

>there was no recurrence.

I'd really like to see these, can you post the URL?

Virginia

who has a jar of cansema in the cabinet and is thinking about using it

[Guest guest]

I don't know, . Lots of info at alt-cancer.com. The cansema prodcuts

are pretty good, the capsules and salve. The Tonic III, Capsules and

CanSupport formula come in a bundle for $74 a month.

Virginia

At 09:14 PM 8/1/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>I have a bit of black salve given to me by friend – it is the same recipe

>that they call Compound X. I have been thinking of taking it internally.

>

>My friend has healed skin cancer (not the melanoma type) using it both

>topically and internally.

>

>

>

> Re: [ ] Cansema etc

>

>At 07:47 AM 8/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

> >I'll be posting more on this remedy with pics using different herbs from

>the

> >book later. The one used for a large brain tumor is most impressive as well

> >as breast cancer and cancer caused by radiation burning from a nuclear test

> >in Nevada. The treatment for the radiation burn consisted of one

>application

> >and took 16 days to heal. The lady involved was 75 at the time and at 94,

> >there was no recurrence.

>

>I'd really like to see these, can you post the URL?

>Virginia

>who has a jar of cansema in the cabinet and is thinking about using it

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

RE: [ ] Cansema etc

>I have a bit of black salve given to me by friend – it is the same

recipe

>that they call Compound X. I have been thinking of taking it

internally.

>

>My friend has healed skin cancer (not the melanoma type) using it

both

>topically and internally.

>

>

Hi , why are you thinking of taking it internally? The salve

is basically designed for direct skin-contact, as I understand it.

Also, can you ask your friend why they took the salve

orally for skin cancer, not just applied it to the skin?

As far as I know, you would only take it (or other herbal)

orally " if " there were further complications than straight-forward

skin cancer.

Just wondering,

Phinneas

[Guest guest]

Phinneas

I have read that some take it internally – a minute amount – either mixed

in water or encapsulated for treatment of all kinds of cancer. I am

interested in using it to help clear up some residual bone mets from breast

cancer.

My friend has used it when needed on his skin cancer over a 14-year period.

I think he took it internally hoping it would insure the cancer not reoccur.

Any thoughts?

RE: [ ] Cansema etc

>I have a bit of black salve given to me by friend – it is the same

recipe

>that they call Compound X. I have been thinking of taking it

internally.

>

>My friend has healed skin cancer (not the melanoma type) using it

both

>topically and internally.

>

>

Hi , why are you thinking of taking it internally? The salve

is basically designed for direct skin-contact, as I understand it.

Also, can you ask your friend why they took the salve

orally for skin cancer, not just applied it to the skin?

As far as I know, you would only take it (or other herbal)

orally " if " there were further complications than straight-forward

skin cancer.

Just wondering,

Phinneas