Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 , I see and understand your dilemma. Whichever way you go, I hope you will do a search on " My Story -- Dr. Budwig's Formula a Hero. " After using Dr. Budwig's formula of a sulphurated protein (plain yogurt or low-fat cottage cheese) combined with liquid flaxseed oil for over two years, metastatic liver and bone lesions were discovered on rather routine x-rays. After extensive radiological tests to determine the cancer source, none could be found. I'd never read or knew about Dr. Budwig's work with terminal cancer patients. I just knew what I'd read and researched: that yogurt and flaxseed oil were excellent for my health. I was in a wasting syndrome (I didn't know why). Little did I know the combination was actually halting what would have become (was becoming) bone and liver cancer and more (fortunately I don't know what). I learned about Cliff Beckwith (moderator) having a site for this same thing, and I eagerly contacted him by phone to share with him what I had just learned about my condition and to learn more. My oncologist said I had the worst looking tests for me to look like the picture of health (and I felt wonderful at the time). Cliff's Flaxseed Oil Group has posts where people on chemo continue eating the combination and it keeps the chemo, etc. from being as harmful to them. I strongly urge you to learn all you can about this; it could make all the difference in your wife's outcome, and there should be no reason for her not eating this -- it is good food, flaxseed oil is essential fatty acids which benefit more than 168 known types of inflammatory conditions. In my story, I give " the recipe " that actually makes it taste like dessert, but no sugar or anything else harmful. Good luck and God bless you both, bg > CONFUSION REGARDING TREATMENT OPTIONS > > Since my wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (IBC type), I > have searched the internet regarding the treatment options available > in both the " standard " and the " alternative " medicine communities. I > have posted messages on this group and others, and I am pleased to > say many people have written my wife and I with specific advice, and > references to check out. > > I want to briefly comment on some of the common threads I see, no > matter what health options are being considered at a specific point > in time. It appears almost every option available is praised by one > group, and " put down " by others. While this is not to be unexpected, > I am someone shocked by the way people react to others who differ > with their views regarding the best ways to treat cancer, and other > diseases. > > Let me start with those who endorse treatments based upon chemo and > radiation. The simple truth is, there is too much money to be made in > the oncology field for anyone associated with it to even consider and > alternative type of therapy. If someone invented a single pill that > would eliminate 100% of cancer at once, the pharmaceutical company > and the medical doctors would bury it. (and most likely the person > who invented it) While I don't know if the herb Graviola works as > claimed, I do believe any benefits it may have would have remained > buried if someone had not revealed the fact the pharmaceutical people > had done their best to keep the records regarding it secret. > > Honestly compels me to say that since my wife has been diagnosed with > cancer, I have talked to many people locally (friends and relatives) > who have taken chemo and radiation for cancer and are doing fine. > (including those who had the IBC type of cancer) While I am also > aware of people who have died or have had cancer return after such > treatments, there seems to be a lot more people cured or in remission > than I thought possible. > While I do look at chemo and radiation as a sort of " burn the witch " > way of handling a problem, I have to admit this violent method seems > to have worked for a large number of people. > > While I believe vitamins, minerals, and herbs, can help prevent > cancer, I am not sure if they are able to cure cancer once it has > infested the human body. Even most medical doctors will say that > cancer would not be able to establish itself, if our immune system > was strong and doing it's job. While I am not sure what the best way > to treat cancer is, I believe eating right and making sure we get the > natural supplements God created will prevent most cancer in the first > place. > > One of the problems I see concerning the alternative therapy > community is, many of those who claim to have cures for cancer and > other diseases are beginning to follow after the trends and policies > of the " standard " medical community. Just like an oncologist, someone > using brand " A " treatments will shun and condemn others who advocate > brand " B " , " C " , " D " , etc., treatments. An oncologist will say if you > refuse chemo, you will die. If someone using or selling an > alternative treatment hears you won't use their system or products, > they will often tell you the same thing. > > While chemo and radiation are drastic measures, most medical doctors > will direct you toward an oncologist for treatment of cancer. For > better or worse, at least they agree as to how to best handle cancer. > The alternative cancer people can't seem to agree about much at all, > so a cancer victim is forced to play a type of remedy-lottery! You > get to pick from hundreds or thousand of treatment options, and hope > and pray you have made the right decision. > > If you look into a treatment option here or there, you may find a > handful of testimonies regarding a particular treatment or product. > On another message board or web site, you may find testimonies or > evidence against what you just read. Until the alternative community > can begin to do the research and studies to bring all the facts and > evidence together, people will not have a valid way to determine what > may work best for them. > > My wife will most likely start chemo in a day or so, but I have had > her taking vitamins, minerals, and herbs, to help build her immune > system beforehand. I believe if she had been taking supplements like > this in the past, her immune system would have been able to prevent > the cancer in the first place. While I have been taking supplements, > both of us have not eaten the type of foods that would help our > bodies protect themselves. > > I really don't like her taking the chemo route, but I understand her > reasons for doing so at this point in time. If the cancer was not the > aggressive type it is, she might be willing to try some alternative > forms of treatment. With so many different approaches out there, it > is not easy to just pick one that will work. > > My wife will continue taking supplements during her treatments, and > she has radically changed her diet since being diagnosed with cancer. > No matter what happens, I know she can't die unless God says OK > first. If He does, we are both willing to accept the fact Father > knows best. I also believe God heals and answers prayers, so our > outlook is bright regarding the outcome… > > Gleason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 , There is much truth in what you say, but there are certain aspects you might examine more closely. There is not unanimity in traditional oncology. For example, witness all the different options one has in treating prostate cancer. The " turf " has warring subturfs! Alternative cancer treatments range from the sensible and noble to the insane and criminal. This in not unlike conventional cancer treatments. When a conventional oncologist denies a dying patient the use of alternatives, I would call this insane and criminal, and sadly, quite the norm. Inflammatory cancers are difficult for both conventional and alternative practitioners. From what I have observed, conventional clinicians show no imagination nor cleverness when dealing with inflammatory breast cancer. They do no more than what their guilds decree as " standard of care, " and toadyishly accept the ukases of their governmental overseers. Alternative practitioners on the other hand often commit the folly of mindlessly boosting the immune system without stopping to consider that inflammation is an immune response and some immune treatments can add kerosene to the prairie fire. To the extent you choose to add alternative treatments you might consider those that quell autoimmune disorders in addition to subduing many cancers. Examples that may be unfamiliar to those on this list would include high-dose glycine and the benzoquinone extracts of ferments of wheat germ. IPT can work well with IBC, but there is still the problem of multiple drug resistance (MDR). If your wife has chosen the path of chemo then she might consider using an oncologist who is familiar with the many tools that can be used to prevent or reverse MDR -- and who has the cajones to prescribe off-label uses of lonidamine, dipyridamole, BSO, R-verapamil, & c. Alternative practitioners and practices are not entirely at fault for having inadequate proof of validity for many reasons: (1) they are underfunded and viewed suspiciously and fearfully by official funding agencies; (2) there are the morality issues of using blinded control groups consigned to death, of slavishly using monotherapies, and of NASDAQ gamesmanship; and (3) the heuristic nature of all moral and rational medical practice -- be it conventional or alternative -- in service to the individual. Good luck, [ ] DIVISION & CONFUSION CONFUSION REGARDING TREATMENT OPTIONS Since my wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (IBC type), I have searched the internet regarding the treatment options available in both the " standard " and the " alternative " medicine communities. I have posted messages on this group and others, and I am pleased to say many people have written my wife and I with specific advice, and references to check out. I want to briefly comment on some of the common threads I see, no matter what health options are being considered at a specific point in time. It appears almost every option available is praised by one group, and " put down " by others. While this is not to be unexpected, I am someone shocked by the way people react to others who differ with their views regarding the best ways to treat cancer, and other diseases. Let me start with those who endorse treatments based upon chemo and radiation. The simple truth is, there is too much money to be made in the oncology field for anyone associated with it to even consider and alternative type of therapy. If someone invented a single pill that would eliminate 100% of cancer at once, the pharmaceutical company and the medical doctors would bury it. (and most likely the person who invented it) While I don't know if the herb Graviola works as claimed, I do believe any benefits it may have would have remained buried if someone had not revealed the fact the pharmaceutical people had done their best to keep the records regarding it secret. Honestly compels me to say that since my wife has been diagnosed with cancer, I have talked to many people locally (friends and relatives) who have taken chemo and radiation for cancer and are doing fine. (including those who had the IBC type of cancer) While I am also aware of people who have died or have had cancer return after such treatments, there seems to be a lot more people cured or in remission than I thought possible. While I do look at chemo and radiation as a sort of " burn the witch " way of handling a problem, I have to admit this violent method seems to have worked for a large number of people. While I believe vitamins, minerals, and herbs, can help prevent cancer, I am not sure if they are able to cure cancer once it has infested the human body. Even most medical doctors will say that cancer would not be able to establish itself, if our immune system was strong and doing it's job. While I am not sure what the best way to treat cancer is, I believe eating right and making sure we get the natural supplements God created will prevent most cancer in the first place. One of the problems I see concerning the alternative therapy community is, many of those who claim to have cures for cancer and other diseases are beginning to follow after the trends and policies of the " standard " medical community. Just like an oncologist, someone using brand " A " treatments will shun and condemn others who advocate brand " B " , " C " , " D " , etc., treatments. An oncologist will say if you refuse chemo, you will die. If someone using or selling an alternative treatment hears you won't use their system or products, they will often tell you the same thing. While chemo and radiation are drastic measures, most medical doctors will direct you toward an oncologist for treatment of cancer. For better or worse, at least they agree as to how to best handle cancer. The alternative cancer people can't seem to agree about much at all, so a cancer victim is forced to play a type of remedy-lottery! You get to pick from hundreds or thousand of treatment options, and hope and pray you have made the right decision. If you look into a treatment option here or there, you may find a handful of testimonies regarding a particular treatment or product. On another message board or web site, you may find testimonies or evidence against what you just read. Until the alternative community can begin to do the research and studies to bring all the facts and evidence together, people will not have a valid way to determine what may work best for them. My wife will most likely start chemo in a day or so, but I have had her taking vitamins, minerals, and herbs, to help build her immune system beforehand. I believe if she had been taking supplements like this in the past, her immune system would have been able to prevent the cancer in the first place. While I have been taking supplements, both of us have not eaten the type of foods that would help our bodies protect themselves. I really don't like her taking the chemo route, but I understand her reasons for doing so at this point in time. If the cancer was not the aggressive type it is, she might be willing to try some alternative forms of treatment. With so many different approaches out there, it is not easy to just pick one that will work. My wife will continue taking supplements during her treatments, and she has radically changed her diet since being diagnosed with cancer. No matter what happens, I know she can't die unless God says OK first. If He does, we are both willing to accept the fact Father knows best. I also believe God heals and answers prayers, so our outlook is bright regarding the outcome. Gleason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 hi My comments are in capitols. Joe --- Gleason <akadad@...> wrote: > CONFUSION REGARDING TREATMENT OPTIONS > > Since my wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (IBC type), I > have searched the internet regarding the treatment options available > in both the " standard " and the " alternative " medicine communities. I > have posted messages on this group and others, and I am pleased to > say many people have written my wife and I with specific advice, and > references to check out. > > I want to briefly comment on some of the common threads I see, no > matter what health options are being considered at a specific point > in time. It appears almost every option available is praised by one > group, and " put down " by others. While this is not to be unexpected, > I am someone shocked by the way people react to others who differ > with their views regarding the best ways to treat cancer, and other > diseases. PART OF THIS IS AS A RESULT OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. YOU SEEM TO BE TRYING TO FIND " THE " CURE WHEN THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE. I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH B17 ALONE. OTHERS TRY TO TELL ME IT IS POISONOUS! IF THIS WERE TRUE THE LABRAT I GAVE A HUGE AMOUNT TO WHEN IT HAD CANCER AND IS STILL RECIEVING IT WOULD NOT BE ALIVE AND WELL TODAY AND I WOULD HAVE DIED AS I HAVE TAKEN IT AS WELL. CANCER IS A COMPLICATED DIS-EASE AND PEOPLE SEEK TO SIMPLIFY THEREBY AVOIDING DEEP RESEARCH. IT IS FAR EASIER TO GIVE ONESELF OVER TO " EXPERTS " IN THE HOPE THAT THEY HAVE DONE THE NECESSARY RESEARCH AND YOU WILL BENEFIT FROM THEIR EXPERTISE. > > Let me start with those who endorse treatments based upon chemo and > radiation. The simple truth is, there is too much money to be made in > the oncology field for anyone associated with it to even consider and > alternative type of therapy. If someone invented a single pill that > would eliminate 100% of cancer at once, the pharmaceutical company > and the medical doctors would bury it. (and most likely the person > who invented it) While I don't know if the herb Graviola works as > claimed, I do believe any benefits it may have would have remained > buried if someone had not revealed the fact the pharmaceutical people > had done their best to keep the records regarding it secret. YET YOU HAVE " FAITH " THAT THESE SAME PEOPLE HOLD THE CURE AND ARE NOT SIMPLY ENRICHING THEMSELVES AT THE EXPENCE OF OTHERS LIVES? > > Honestly compels me to say that since my wife has been diagnosed with > cancer, I have talked to many people locally (friends and relatives) > who have taken chemo and radiation for cancer and are doing fine. > (including those who had the IBC type of cancer) While I am also > aware of people who have died or have had cancer return after such > treatments, there seems to be a lot more people cured or in remission > than I thought possible. > While I do look at chemo and radiation as a sort of " burn the witch " > way of handling a problem, I have to admit this violent method seems > to have worked for a large number of people. > I SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO WHAT IS CONSIDERED A CANCER SURVIVOR AND HOW THE STATS ARE COMPILED. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME OPINION IF YOU KNEW THAT FROM THE TIME OF DIAGNOSIS IF SOMEONE IS AT ANY LEVEL ALIVE 5 YEARS LATER THEY ARE LISTED AS A SURVIVOR REGARDLESS OF THEIR CONDITION. IF ONE DIES OF THE " TREATMENT " AS FROM SOME ORGAN FAILURE THEY ARE NOT LISTED AS A CANCER FATALITY. IT HAS BEEN ADMITTED BY THE MDEICAL PROFFESSION THAT THE AVERAGE CANCER SUFFERER WILL LIVE LONGER AND HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE IF THEY FOREGO " TRRATMENT " . THE DIFFERENCE IN LONGEVITY IS 3 TO 5 YEARS OF LIFE FOR THOSE RECIEVING " TREATMENT " AND 12 YEARS FOR THOSE NOT. HERE IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN The Science Condemning Chemotherapy & Prescription Drugs From: Arnoldgore@... " Plodzien, Leonard " wrote: Over $1 TRILLION a year is spent on medical treatment in America. Over $100 BILLION of this was spent on cancer treatment. The average cost of cancer treatment is well over $100,000 per person. This year well over 1.5 million Americans will develop cancer, and over 600, 000 of them will die from it, which means that in the last 5 years. Medical treatment is America's biggest business, representing over 15% of the entire nation's Gross National Product. The GAO (General Accounting Office of the United States Government) has stated in numerous reports that in spite of increased usage of chemotherapy by medical doctors and hospitals in the treatment of cancer that they cannot find any statistical data that suggests it has any effectiveness in prolonging life. The New England Journal of Medicine reports, War on cancer is a failure: despite $30 billion spent on research since 1970, cancer remains " undefeated " , with a death rate not lower but actually higher than when they started. The failure of chemotherapy to control cancer has become apparent even to the oncology establishment. According to the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference), the top 10 chemotherapy drugs used in the USA all list CANCER AS A SIDE EFFECT to using them. In fact, statiscally, more cancer patients die from chemotherapy treatment than of the cancer. Alan C. Nixon, PhD, past president of the American Chemical Society, wrote, " As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good. " The Los Angeles Times reported that over 75% of the oncologists polled said that if they had cancer they would never use the same chemotherapy they prescribe for their patients on themselves because of the ineffectiveness of chemotherapy and its unacceptable degree of toxicity. In 1990 $3.53 billion was spent on chemotherapy and by 1994 that figure had more than doubled to $7.51 billion. Why the growth in chemotherapy in the face of such failure? Even the Federal Government has launched studies into this suggesting possible corruption. A look at the financial interrelationships between large cancer centers, for instance Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center (considered the finest cancer research center in the world) and the companies that make billions manufacturing and selling chemotherapy drugs is revealing. III, Chairman of the MSKCC Board of Overseers and Managers, is also a director of Bristol-Myers Squibb, THE WORLD'S LARGEST PRODUCER OF CHEMOTHERAPY DRUGS. Gelb, Vice-Chairman of the MSKCC board, is Bristol-Myers Chairman of the Board. Furlaud, another MSKCC board member, recently retired as Bristol-Myers' president. Marks MD, MSKCC's President and CEO, is a director of Pfizer Pharmaceuticals. S. , also a chairman at MSKCC, is also the director of Tobacco Company. AARP, the self proclaimed " watchdog " for the elderly, in the year 2000, received payments of $4 BILLION from their DISCOUNT DRUG PLANS and their MEDICAL INSURANCE PROGRAMS. Dr. Allan Greenberg said on 12/24/2002, " As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, YOUR BEST CHANCE OF LIVING TO A RIPE OLD AGE IS TO AVOID DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS AND LEARN NUTRITION, HERBAL MEDICINE AND OTHER FORMS OF NATURAL MEDICINE. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone. Most surgery is unnecessary. In short, our mainstream medical system is hopelessly inept and/or corrupt. THE TREATMENT OF CANCER AND DEGENERATIVE DISEASES IS A NATIONAL SCANDAL. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be. " Have a good day, Len > While I believe vitamins, minerals, and herbs, can help prevent > cancer, I am not sure if they are able to cure cancer once it has > infested the human body. Even most medical doctors will say that > cancer would not be able to establish itself, if our immune system > was strong and doing it's job. While I am not sure what the best way > to treat cancer is, I believe eating right and making sure we get the > natural supplements God created will prevent most cancer in the first > place. > CANCER IS A DIS-EASE OF MALNUTRITION AND OR OF POISONING AND OR OF " FAULTY " GENES AND OR OF DEEP PROLONGED DEPRESSION HAVING THE EFFECT OF DIMINISHING THE EFFACACY OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. PROPER NUTRITION, EXCERCIZE AND SUNLIGHT ARE THE ONLY WAY TO REVERSE THIS. > One of the problems I see concerning the alternative therapy > community is, many of those who claim to have cures for cancer and > other diseases are beginning to follow after the trends and policies > of the " standard " medical community. Just like an oncologist, someone > using brand " A " treatments will shun and condemn others who advocate > brand " B " , " C " , " D " , etc., treatments. An oncologist will say if you > refuse chemo, you will die. If someone using or selling an > alternative treatment hears you won't use their system or products, > they will often tell you the same thing. THIS IS AS A RESULT AGAIN OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OR ON A SINISTER DESIRE FOR PROFIT. > > While chemo and radiation are drastic measures, most medical doctors > will direct you toward an oncologist for treatment of cancer. For > better or worse, at least they agree as to how to best handle cancer. > The alternative cancer people can't seem to agree about much at all, > so a cancer victim is forced to play a type of remedy-lottery! You > get to pick from hundreds or thousand of treatment options, and hope > and pray you have made the right decision. IF I AM GETTING WEALTHY AND A LARGE NUMBER OF MY CONTEMPORARIES ARE AS WELL OF COURSE WE WILL STICK TOGETHER. I SUGGEST YOU LEARN ABOUT THE MACHINATIONS OF CANCER STATS. THERE ARE CORRELATIONS THAT CANNOT BE REFUTED BY ANY HONEST " ALTERNATIVE " PRACTISHONER, CANCER SUFFERERS HAVE A HIGH ACID ENVIRONMENT IN THEIR BODIES, THEIR OMEGA 6 TO OMEGA 3 RATIO IS UNBALANCED. TAKE CARE OF THESE AND YOU WILL FIND A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HEALTH. THEY DO NOT EAT WELL AND PROBABLY HAVE NOT FOR A LONG TIME. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO ANY OF THE VAST ARRAY OF POISONS WE SURROUND OURSELVES WITH, THEY MAY SMOKE, THEY MAY BE HARBORING PARISITES, THEY MAY BE SEDENTARY AND SPEND MOST OF THEIR TIME INDOORS, CHANGE THESE AND HEALTH IS ASSURED. I KNOW B17 WORKS AND BASED ON THE RESEARCH IVE DONE FLAXSEEDOIL AND COTTAGE CHEESE DOES TOO. BUT REFUSE TO ELIMINATE THE UNDERLYING CAUSE IF OTHER THAN SIMPLE MALNUTRITION AND CANCER WILL REOCCUR. THIS IS WHY SO MANY CANCER SUFFERERS THAT SEEM TO HAVE SUCCESS FROM ACCEPTED METHODS RELAPSE. THESE PEOPLE BY THE WAY REMAIN ON THE SURVIVOR LIST! > > If you look into a treatment option here or there, you may find a > handful of testimonies regarding a particular treatment or product. > On another message board or web site, you may find testimonies or > evidence against what you just read. Until the alternative community > can begin to do the research and studies to bring all the facts and > evidence together, people will not have a valid way to determine what > may work best for them. > IT IS HARD SOMETIMES TO SEPARATE OPINION FROM EVIDENCE. I SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO DR JOHANNA BUDWIGS RESEARCH AND ERNST KREBS SR AND JR. THERE IS ALSO SOME POTENTIAL VALIDITY IN THE " ZAPPER " APPROACH THOUGH I CANNOT SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AT THIS POINT IN MY RESEARCH. > My wife will most likely start chemo in a day or so, but I have had > her taking vitamins, minerals, and herbs, to help build her immune > system beforehand. I believe if she had been taking supplements like > this in the past, her immune system would have been able to prevent > the cancer in the first place. While I have been taking supplements, > both of us have not eaten the type of foods that would help our > bodies protect themselves. > HOW ABOUT HAVING HER TAKE B17 AND OR FLAXOIL AND COTTAGE CHEESE AS PART OF THE NUTRITION REGIMEN AND CHANGING YOUR EATING HABITS? > I really don't like her taking the chemo route, but I understand her > reasons for doing so at this point in time. If the cancer was not the > aggressive type it is, she might be willing to try some alternative > forms of treatment. With so many different approaches out there, it > is not easy to just pick one that will work. > THIS IS A SHAME AS WHAT YOU SEEK LIES IN WHAT YOU ARE DISCARDING. WHY NOT CONTACT A NATUROPATH WITH A HISTORY IN YOUR AREA AND TALK AT LENGTH WITH HIM OR HER? YOU WILL FIND THEY DO NOT LIMIT THEIR TIME AS " DOCTORS " DO WITH THEIR PATIENTS. > My wife will continue taking supplements during her treatments, and > she has radically changed her diet since being diagnosed with cancer. > No matter what happens, I know she can't die unless God says OK > first. If He does, we are both willing to accept the fact Father > knows best. I also believe God heals and answers prayers, so our > outlook is bright regarding the outcome… GOD DOES HAVE THE FINAL SAY BUT YOU HAVE THE SAY NOW. TRY NOT TO BE OVERWHELMED BY RESEARCH. DR JOHANNA BUDWIG AND ERNST KREBS SR AND JR HAVE ALREADY DONE THE RESEARCH YOU SHOULD BE LEARNING AND APPLYING JOE > > Gleason > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 , You've received some good advice today... I know you are facing a very difficult decision and the information you receive from the " experts " is one-sided. In mu own case, I wish in the beginning I had known what I know now. I may have avoided surgery and radiation treatment, the side-effects of which I am dealing with now. I urge you to get Bill 's book " Cure Your Own Cancer " . It sets out all the options in a well-organized, easy- to- digest manner, complete with links to web sites for more info. You can get it at getandstaywell.com. Also, why pick one? many of us here combine and stack many alt treatments. I, myself, do a diet based on the blood type diet combined with Dr. Budwig's diet ( more on that later), Cansema herbs ( see alt-cancer.com), and Dr. Hulda 's parasite cleansing and zapping. My tumor is slowly shrinking and and I feel fine. I have taken Chinese herbs and may start some indonesian herbs soon. As long as you don't back slide, just keep going on. At some point you'll hit the right combo for you and it will all click. When I was researching treatments, I would read the glowing testimonials, then come to this group and others and ask if anyone had tried it. annieappleseed.org is another site that offers lots of feedback. There are many cancer survivors out there that used only natural/alternative means as well. they're just harder to find. Think about it, how many of the folks that move in your circles, that you talked to about cancer, would take herbs for the flu or a cold? How many people do you know that see a naturopath for most problems? I haven't taken antibiotics for 8 years, including major surgery. Did your friends have homebirths or go to a hospital? Are their kids vaccinated? Do they homeschool? Get outside the box and start asking questions. Meet these people who live " outside the box " . Start shopping at you rlocal Natural Food Store and meet people. There are people fighting cancer naturally shopping at every Natural Food Store. The statistical 10 year survival for chemo treatment is something like 3%. But most doctors don't know that. They follow protocol and think it's the best there is. They believe in their system. They have invested huge amounts of time and money to become a member of the AMA. To doubt it is to admit that their entire career has been a waste of time, energy, and money. The Budwig diet is wonderful. Dr. Budwig had ( I believe some one correct me if I'm wrong) a 90% cure rate at her clinic. I felt better the week I started it. And a large mass in my abdomen disappeared. You can order the books from barleans.com . They will sell you the oil for wholesale price as well if you tell them you are a cancer patient. You have to phone to get the deal. having said all this, I realize your wife's cancer is especially aggressive, but some alternatives are aggressive as well. See ipt.org and look at deep tissue black salve at alt-cancer.com. I urge you to do more research. Breakthrough the wall of confusion, climb the learning curve, and think outside the box. We've all been there and you'll find plenty of support here. Blessings, Virginia At 03:52 PM 8/5/2003 +0000, you wrote: >CONFUSION REGARDING TREATMENT OPTIONS > >Since my wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (IBC type), I >have searched the internet regarding the treatment options available >in both the " standard " and the " alternative " medicine communities. I >have posted messages on this group and others, and I am pleased to >say many people have written my wife and I with specific advice, and >references to check out. > >I want to briefly comment on some of the common threads I see, no >matter what health options are being considered at a specific point >in time. It appears almost every option available is praised by one >group, and " put down " by others. While this is not to be unexpected, >I am someone shocked by the way people react to others who differ >with their views regarding the best ways to treat cancer, and other >diseases. > >Let me start with those who endorse treatments based upon chemo and >radiation. The simple truth is, there is too much money to be made in >the oncology field for anyone associated with it to even consider and >alternative type of therapy. If someone invented a single pill that >would eliminate 100% of cancer at once, the pharmaceutical company >and the medical doctors would bury it. (and most likely the person >who invented it) While I don't know if the herb Graviola works as >claimed, I do believe any benefits it may have would have remained >buried if someone had not revealed the fact the pharmaceutical people >had done their best to keep the records regarding it secret. > >Honestly compels me to say that since my wife has been diagnosed with >cancer, I have talked to many people locally (friends and relatives) >who have taken chemo and radiation for cancer and are doing fine. >(including those who had the IBC type of cancer) While I am also >aware of people who have died or have had cancer return after such >treatments, there seems to be a lot more people cured or in remission >than I thought possible. >While I do look at chemo and radiation as a sort of " burn the witch " >way of handling a problem, I have to admit this violent method seems >to have worked for a large number of people. > >While I believe vitamins, minerals, and herbs, can help prevent >cancer, I am not sure if they are able to cure cancer once it has >infested the human body. Even most medical doctors will say that >cancer would not be able to establish itself, if our immune system >was strong and doing it's job. While I am not sure what the best way >to treat cancer is, I believe eating right and making sure we get the >natural supplements God created will prevent most cancer in the first >place. > >One of the problems I see concerning the alternative therapy >community is, many of those who claim to have cures for cancer and >other diseases are beginning to follow after the trends and policies >of the " standard " medical community. Just like an oncologist, someone >using brand " A " treatments will shun and condemn others who advocate >brand " B " , " C " , " D " , etc., treatments. An oncologist will say if you >refuse chemo, you will die. If someone using or selling an >alternative treatment hears you won't use their system or products, >they will often tell you the same thing. > >While chemo and radiation are drastic measures, most medical doctors >will direct you toward an oncologist for treatment of cancer. For >better or worse, at least they agree as to how to best handle cancer. >The alternative cancer people can't seem to agree about much at all, >so a cancer victim is forced to play a type of remedy-lottery! You >get to pick from hundreds or thousand of treatment options, and hope >and pray you have made the right decision. > >If you look into a treatment option here or there, you may find a >handful of testimonies regarding a particular treatment or product. >On another message board or web site, you may find testimonies or >evidence against what you just read. Until the alternative community >can begin to do the research and studies to bring all the facts and >evidence together, people will not have a valid way to determine what >may work best for them. > >My wife will most likely start chemo in a day or so, but I have had >her taking vitamins, minerals, and herbs, to help build her immune >system beforehand. I believe if she had been taking supplements like >this in the past, her immune system would have been able to prevent >the cancer in the first place. While I have been taking supplements, >both of us have not eaten the type of foods that would help our >bodies protect themselves. > >I really don't like her taking the chemo route, but I understand her >reasons for doing so at this point in time. If the cancer was not the >aggressive type it is, she might be willing to try some alternative >forms of treatment. With so many different approaches out there, it >is not easy to just pick one that will work. > >My wife will continue taking supplements during her treatments, and >she has radically changed her diet since being diagnosed with cancer. >No matter what happens, I know she can't die unless God says OK >first. If He does, we are both willing to accept the fact Father >knows best. I also believe God heals and answers prayers, so our >outlook is bright regarding the outcome… > > Gleason > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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