Antioxidants

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Hi Mike,

> Rad....bla/bla/bla. I think you either DO continue with

> antioxidants/suppliments or you just don't use them for the duration of the

> treatments!!!!! What do you think?

That's a hard decision... If I were you, I would continue with supplements.

Because I'm always looking for a natural way to treat myself.

I just found this. Please go to this site

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/5/2/152.html

And click on each table attached in that webpage. This is a summery of many

different studies done on antioxidants and chemo/radiation treatment. This

might give you some ideas.

--

Yumi Guidotti

yumig@...

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Thought that this discussion at flaxseedoil2 was very good and useful .

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Antioxidants

        Posted by: " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

LorettaLanphier@... lanphierfamily   Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007

6:49 am ((PST))

We have had a lot of discussion about antioxidants and their role in the

Budwig protocol. This has concerned me so maybe the following will shed

some understanding.

First of all, if you are doing the Budwig protocol you ARE getting

antioxidants. But you are getting naturally occuring antioxidants.

Unfortunately the natural health industry has succombed to some thinking

that is probably not in our best interest. This is the thought that

because most people eat the SAD (Standard American Diet) which is mostly

void of fresh vegetables and fruits, then they will need " extra "

antioxidants. So every manufacturer jumps on this and comes out with

vitamins in pill and capsule form that act as antoxidants in the body.

This is not the " natural " way to get antioxidants, but a convenient way.

Convenience is what most people, even some on this list, want more than

anything. However, convenience almost never promotes health and

well-being.

Just about all fruits and vegetables contain levels of antioxidants. So

do green teas. So do wines. So do herbs. The body cannot function

without antioxidants. Antioxidants balance out free-radical oxygen. If

you believe the theory that too much oxygen is harmful then you will

most likely be concerned with not getting enough antioxidants.

However, I believe (my personal belief) that most on this planet are

oxygen deficient, thus one of the many reasons we are seeing so much

disease and that the free-radical oxygen theory may not hold much water.

Most people need more oxygen than what they are getting.

We have only four sources of oxygen today. Our first source is marine

plankton (algae) that supplies 70% of the Earth's oxygen and is being

destroyed by oil spills and the dumping of toxic chemicals in our

oceans. Our second source is trees and vegetation that are being

destroyed and cut down to make room for our growing population.

Our third natural oxygen source is fruits and vegetables that are now

being genetically engineered and are full of pesticides and

insecticides. Our fourth source of oxygen is through lightening which

produces ozone, but our sky is filled with fossil fuels, hydrocarbons,

fluorocarbons, and millions of other toxic chemicals. Our first two

sources are rapidly being depleted and our second two sources are so

toxic that the benefits basically cancel each other out. This leaves all

of us oxygen deficient.

So saying that you cannot have antioxidants on the Budwig Protocol is

not really true. You can have antioxidants but ONLY from real food. Food

that is as close to nature as you can get.

Dr. Budwig knew all of this so therefore adding " extra " antioxidants in

the form of pills and capsules are not needed and would cancel out all

the oxygen that the body gets from fruits and vegetables.

It is a fact that disease cannot live in an oxygenated terraine. In

alternative cancer treatement you will find that there are some

protocols that make use of high levels of antioxidents such as high-dose

IV Vitamin C therapy. There are some that are more concentrated with

getting more oxygen into the body, like the Budwig protocol. Personally,

I have seen a higher success rate with making sure that the body has

sufficient oxygen.

More and more of the vitamin supplements today (a lot of changes in the

supplement industry since 2000) are actually considered foods. Yes, most

are processed to an extent but a few companies are using processing

methods that are low heat and using processing ingredients that are all

natural. Thus would be considered minimally processed. One of the

reasons they are making this change is because the public is becoming

more aware and educated and because practitioners, like myself, continue

to scream and yell about it. ;o) If you get right down to it even

organic organic cottage cheese is processed. Even flax seed oil is

processed. Even green tea is processed. Even Essiac Tea is processed

(however some more than others). Even spices are processed. If you are

uncertain about something that you are thinking about taking then call

the manufacturer/seller and ask questions. Ask how it is processed, if

it is irradiated (you may be surprised), is it grown with pesticides and

herbicides, when is it picked (young plant or adult), what kind of

fertilizer is used, is it fluoridated, etc. Is it packaged in plastic or

glass----this is my personal pet peive.

I truly believe that Dr. Budwig's bottom line was that she knew the

chemical reactions that were needed in order for the FO/CC to work and

it worked best when the body was getting ALL its nutrition from the way

nature intended. Does it mean that the procol will not work if you take

some of these other neutraceuticals (not talking about antioxidants)?

Maybe, but maybe not. Obviously there are others using the Budwig

protocol that are using additional neutraceuticals and are getting good

results, too. However, I believe that most of this is occurring under

the care of practitioners who understand the body and have a lot of

experience in dealing with natural cancer therapies.

I deeply understand the " need " to want to do everything possible to heal

from cancer. Before I was on my protocol, I was at the Health Food Store

at least 1-2x/week and usually came out with no less than $200 worth of

products! Why? Because with all my research (a.k.a. confusion) I would

buy whatever I had heard/read was good for cancer. What I needed was a

protocol. One in which what I took would work together synergistically

in the body. But at that point I did not have the knowledge or

understanding about how to accomplish this by myself. So, I had to

" trust " and " have faith " in a protocol that provided what my body

needed. I also had to have a huge dose of patience! Long story,

short---it worked!

Hopefully I have said some things that will help everyone to understand

that antioxidants are not the bad guy, if you understand the

biochemistry of the body. Dr. Budwig did not believe that unnatural (by

that I mean processed) vitamins were needed and she certainly cautioned

against the use of anything synthetic, including drugs.

We put gas in our cars in order for them to run effectively. What

happens when you get some " bad " gas (gas that has been watered down or

contaminated)? The car will not perform at peak levels and will

eventually break-down. What will make it run again? Getting to the root

of the concern and then making sure that only good gas is put in. It's

the same with our body. God put everything natural on this earth that

our body needs in order to heal. When we put in " unnatural " food then

the body will not have the " energy " it needs to heal.

So before you put something in your

mouth, ask yourself " is this as close to nature as it comes? " If the

answer is no, then you may want to rethink.

Hopefully we will all do our part and fight to keep our food pure, clean

and natural.

Be Well,

Loretta

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[Guest guest]

I purchase my supplements from Vitacost.com. I do not take anitoxidants, but take other supplements. I have found Vitacost.com prices much more affordable than vitamin stores, drug stores and specialty shops. [low dose naltrexone] ANTIOXIDANTS

I see there are a lot of people who take antioxidants. Is there a multi-antioxidant supplement, or could someone tell me which antioxidants they take. I have very limited income, so therefore purchasing supplements can be hard. Also, could someone tell me where they purchase their antioxidants.

 

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