Re: ***I just don't get it***

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

Thank Lynn for her implicit explanation as to why her mother is dying

so quickly and wish her the best. You could throw in one of those happy

faces that she likes.

As to the prayers, you could tell her that you'd like to pray for

her but that you are wary of interfering with God's wrath toward willfully

stupid and arrogant families -- and give her another happy face.

At 03:44 PM 09/15/04, you wrote:

>I thought you all would understand my total astonishment concerning this

>situation. I met a woman on another list. Not a health-related list, but

>an educational list. She made mention that she was very upset that the

>doctors could do nothing further to treat her mother's cancer. They

>thought she had 2-5 years and now she has very little time left. I

>thought I would offer her some suggestions, because there are people out

>there that just don't know what other options are available to them

>besides allopathic medicine. I wasn' pushy at all, but rather gave her my

>own story and told her of others I know and have heard about who have

>achieved great success with alternative methods. I left it up to her if

>she would like more info and offered to send her web sites, email lists,

>book suggestions, etc. I just received an email from her, and I am simply

>flabberghasted. Here's what she wrote:

>

> Thank you for your email. Both my sister and husband are physicians,

>though, so you are preaching to the wrong audience. : ) I do appreciate

>your prayers. Lynn

>

>The fact that her sister and husband are doctors is really irrelevant at

>this point since the medical profession has written this woman off as a

>hopeless case. Am I wrong in thinking that if you love someone, you would

>want to do everything possible to help them survive? Why do people just

>accept what they are told by doctors? I'm guessing I should just let this

>matter go and not even bother emailing this woman back. I just feel so

>sorry for her poor mother. Her fate is being decided without her

>participation. I just want to commend all of you on this list who are

>care givers to someone with cancer. How lucky they are to have someone in

>their lives who is willing to go that extra mile. It's just so sad that

>not everyone has someone like that. Blessings, Cheryl

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I CANNOT believe I just read this email.

So, is this really a SUPPORT group? It seems that far too many of the

emails are slamming one person or another because of their medical

beliefs. People are going through the worst time of there lives

(including me) here. I have a 50% chance to live and I'm looking for

alternatives to help out my mainstream medical treatment. How about

showing some compassion to everyone in the group!!!!!!!! And some

understanding that not every person will follow every alternative

guidance given by this group.

Who is monitoring this group? This email NEVER should have been allowed

to be posted. Calling a family with a dying mother " stupid and

arrogant " as if it were a joke to be told is . well I don't need to say

what it is. It's simply intolerable in my opinion. Would you like the

dying mother or her daughter to get a copy of this email??

I ask again . who is monitoring this group? Anyone??

Re: [ ] ***I just don't get it***

Cheryl,

Thank Lynn for her implicit explanation as to why her mother is

dying

so quickly and wish her the best. You could throw in one of those happy

faces that she likes.

As to the prayers, you could tell her that you'd like to pray for

her but that you are wary of interfering with God's wrath toward

willfully

stupid and arrogant families -- and give her another happy face.

At 03:44 PM 09/15/04, you wrote:

>I thought you all would understand my total astonishment concerning

this

>situation. I met a woman on another list. Not a health-related list,

but

>an educational list. She made mention that she was very upset that the

>doctors could do nothing further to treat her mother's cancer. They

>thought she had 2-5 years and now she has very little time left. I

>thought I would offer her some suggestions, because there are people

out

>there that just don't know what other options are available to them

>besides allopathic medicine. I wasn' pushy at all, but rather gave her

my

>own story and told her of others I know and have heard about who have

>achieved great success with alternative methods. I left it up to her

if

>she would like more info and offered to send her web sites, email

lists,

>book suggestions, etc. I just received an email from her, and I am

simply

>flabberghasted. Here's what she wrote:

>

> Thank you for your email. Both my sister and husband are

physicians,

>though, so you are preaching to the wrong audience. : ) I do

appreciate

>your prayers. Lynn

>

>The fact that her sister and husband are doctors is really irrelevant

at

>this point since the medical profession has written this woman off as a

>hopeless case. Am I wrong in thinking that if you love someone, you

would

>want to do everything possible to help them survive? Why do people

just

>accept what they are told by doctors? I'm guessing I should just let

this

>matter go and not even bother emailing this woman back. I just feel so

>sorry for her poor mother. Her fate is being decided without her

>participation. I just want to commend all of you on this list who are

>care givers to someone with cancer. How lucky they are to have someone

in

>their lives who is willing to go that extra mile. It's just so sad

that

>not everyone has someone like that. Blessings, Cheryl

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I CANNOT believe I just read this email.

>

> So, is this really a SUPPORT group?

Hi Curt,

yes, it is a support group. It supports survival and healing though,

not just anything anyone might like to see supported. We all support

different things, you know, in our different ways, doing the best we can.

There's overwhelmingly more groups on the internet that support

mainstream interventions than otherwise. If you believe you could get

better support from one of those groups, perhaps you should look into

joining one of them? I did, and indeed found people discussing the

specific cancer I was looking to battle extremely supportive. They

support chemotherapy and radiation wholeheartedly. They support

" whatever your doctor tells you to do, just do it. " They support the

" above all, trust your oncologist and you'll be fine " attitude. I was

afraid to make a peep there. It's like an army, you know... Just

obey all the orders and no one ever gets hurt, let alone dies, is that

clear?! Yes sir!! Someone who was less careful than me and mentioned

something about the possibility of questioning those orders was nearly

torn to pieces by the supportive bunch in front of my very eyes. It's

always a matter of finding the group that supports what YOU need

supported. If this one is a wrong one, I sincerely hope you will find

one that meets your expectations more accurately.

Best wishes and good health,

Elena

[Guest guest]

Curt, I got interested in the alternatives after friends started dying

of cancer. About 1/2 of them made it, even though they did the most

exhaustive treatment, including experimental treatments, that research

facilities like City of Hope could offer. Some were sent home to die

after their immune system was so badly damaged that they couldn't do any

more chemo. Some have my platelettes helping their recovery.

My own cancer was very minor by comparison, and cansema and surgery took

care of it. No chemo, no radiation. For some others, frequency

treatments, either by pad devices or by plasma lamp devices, helped, but

virtually all had to get into serious dietary and nutritional changes in

their lifestyles to win the war.

Please consider that many here are in different phases of health, many

looking for anything that might help, even after overwhelming odds, and

some are very angry, having believed most of their lives that we in the

US have the " Best " medical system in the world - until they, or their

friends, ran into these horrible diseases, and the limited treatment

options available from the US medical and legal system.

I know MDs who practice alternative medicine, and they're busier than

any rational person could wish on them (Calif, Texas, Georgia, Canada).

There are alternatives to conventional treatment, but there are no

" magic pills " - it takes a lot of determination and work to beat this

disease; sadly, many are no longer able to fight that battle.

Not all of us are always pleasant and consoling - sometimes the anger shows.

In health,

Dave

me2youlink wrote:

>

>

>>I CANNOT believe I just read this email.

>>

>>So, is this really a SUPPORT group?

>

>

> Hi Curt,

>

> yes, it is a support group. It supports survival and healing though,

> not just anything anyone might like to see supported. We all support

> different things, you know, in our different ways, doing the best we can.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Curt,

I'm on several discussion groups and every so often there's

some kind of heated disagreement or a message that seems out of line.

On one of the boards someone recently asked your

question about the monitoring of the group. After a day or so of angry

messages flying back & forth among several people, the monitor

intervened to explain that on usually only new members

are monitored for a while to make sure their messages are in line with

the group's purpose, after that if someone who is a regular member

continues to cause a problem through upsetting or off-topic messages,

that person may get a warning (it could be done backchannel rather than

on the discussion board). If the person continues to cause a

problem after the warning, it's possible to be banned from the

group. So, that was the explanation. I guess it would apply here,

too.

This group is owned by CureZone.org which has many discussion

forums and many voluteers who help monitor the discussions.

I try to look for information I can use out of the groups I read

and let the rest go.

Annie

[Guest guest]

The parent suffers because of the children's arrogance and stupidity

masquerading as knowledge. The blind leading the blind.

Gammill <vgammill@...> wrote:Cheryl,

Thank Lynn for her implicit explanation as to why her mother is dying

so quickly and wish her the best. You could throw in one of those happy

faces that she likes.

As to the prayers, you could tell her that you'd like to pray for

her but that you are wary of interfering with God's wrath toward willfully

stupid and arrogant families -- and give her another happy face.

At 03:44 PM 09/15/04, you wrote:

>I thought you all would understand my total astonishment concerning this

>situation. I met a woman on another list. Not a health-related list, but

>an educational list. She made mention that she was very upset that the

>doctors could do nothing further to treat her mother's cancer. They

>thought she had 2-5 years and now she has very little time left. I

>thought I would offer her some suggestions, because there are people out

>there that just don't know what other options are available to them

>besides allopathic medicine. I wasn' pushy at all, but rather gave her my

>own story and told her of others I know and have heard about who have

>achieved great success with alternative methods. I left it up to her if

>she would like more info and offered to send her web sites, email lists,

>book suggestions, etc. I just received an email from her, and I am simply

>flabberghasted. Here's what she wrote:

>

> Thank you for your email. Both my sister and husband are physicians,

>though, so you are preaching to the wrong audience. : ) I do appreciate

>your prayers. Lynn

>

>The fact that her sister and husband are doctors is really irrelevant at

>this point since the medical profession has written this woman off as a

>hopeless case. Am I wrong in thinking that if you love someone, you would

>want to do everything possible to help them survive? Why do people just

>accept what they are told by doctors? I'm guessing I should just let this

>matter go and not even bother emailing this woman back. I just feel so

>sorry for her poor mother. Her fate is being decided without her

>participation. I just want to commend all of you on this list who are

>care givers to someone with cancer. How lucky they are to have someone in

>their lives who is willing to go that extra mile. It's just so sad that

>not everyone has someone like that. Blessings, Cheryl

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As millions of lemmings rush headlong toward the cliff it is not that

useful to focus on one and feel sorry for it. The smart move is simply to

get out of the way.

Blind acceptance of conventional medicine and the race to hospice is a

multigenerational folly. It is not unfair to assume that the lady with

cancer begat her own premature demise. We are witnessing nature in all its

glory.

At 05:05 AM 09/16/04, you wrote:

>The parent suffers because of the children's arrogance and stupidity

>masquerading as knowledge. The blind leading the blind.

>

> Gammill <vgammill@...> wrote:Cheryl,

>Thank Lynn for her implicit explanation as to why her mother is dying

>so quickly and wish her the best. You could throw in one of those happy

>faces that she likes.

>As to the prayers, you could tell her that you'd like to pray for

>her but that you are wary of interfering with God's wrath toward willfully

>stupid and arrogant families -- and give her another happy face.

>

>

>At 03:44 PM 09/15/04, you wrote:

> >I thought you all would understand my total astonishment concerning this

> >situation. I met a woman on another list. Not a health-related list, but

> >an educational list. She made mention that she was very upset that the

> >doctors could do nothing further to treat her mother's cancer. They

> >thought she had 2-5 years and now she has very little time left. I

> >thought I would offer her some suggestions, because there are people out

> >there that just don't know what other options are available to them

> >besides allopathic medicine. I wasn' pushy at all, but rather gave her my

> >own story and told her of others I know and have heard about who have

> >achieved great success with alternative methods. I left it up to her if

> >she would like more info and offered to send her web sites, email lists,

> >book suggestions, etc. I just received an email from her, and I am simply

> >flabberghasted. Here's what she wrote:

> >

> > Thank you for your email. Both my sister and husband are physicians,

> >though, so you are preaching to the wrong audience. : ) I do appreciate

> >your prayers. Lynn

> >

> >The fact that her sister and husband are doctors is really irrelevant at

> >this point since the medical profession has written this woman off as a

> >hopeless case. Am I wrong in thinking that if you love someone, you would

> >want to do everything possible to help them survive? Why do people just

> >accept what they are told by doctors? I'm guessing I should just let this

> >matter go and not even bother emailing this woman back. I just feel so

> >sorry for her poor mother. Her fate is being decided without her

> >participation. I just want to commend all of you on this list who are

> >care givers to someone with cancer. How lucky they are to have someone in

> >their lives who is willing to go that extra mile. It's just so sad that

> >not everyone has someone like that. Blessings, Cheryl

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, , you and a few others in this group seem to feel strongly

that conventional medicine is 100% useless to cure my cancer. So the

consensus of several of you is to stop seeing my doctor and JUST do

alternative therapy. OK. I'm here.

I have Acute Myeloid Leukemia. Traditional medicine is giving me a 50%

cure rate. It will include reduced versions of chemo/radiation with a

new protocol out of Seattle, one of the leading places in the country

for transplants for AML patients. They have clinically controlled

studies to back up this cure rate. So traditional medicine IS offering

me an option on how to cure me. It's not great, but it's something.

So here's the challenge which I laid out in a prior email which no one

answered. SHOW ME ONE CLINICALLY CONTROLLED ALTERNATIVE STUDY WHICH

FACTUALLY SUPPORTS A CURE RATE FOR AML > 50%. If you or anyone can do,

this then I'm in.

This is a REAL situation. Who's up for the challenge????? Anyone??????

And if no one can answer this question, then maybe it's worth pondering

the merits of conventional medicine if, say just in my case, it may

offer a better cure rate than alternative medicine.

In the meantime, while I wait for an answer to my rhetorical question,

I'll continue down the path of using the best of BOTH medical and

alternative treatments to give me the best odds possible to save my

life.

Re: [ ] ***I just don't get it***

As millions of lemmings rush headlong toward the cliff it is not that

useful to focus on one and feel sorry for it. The smart move is simply

to

get out of the way.

Blind acceptance of conventional medicine and the race to hospice is a

multigenerational folly. It is not unfair to assume that the lady with

cancer begat her own premature demise. We are witnessing nature in all

its

glory.

[Guest guest]

Show me the one drug company that will do rsearch on Dr. Kelley's

programme.

The man cured people from AML and himself from pancreatic cancer, and what

did he get?

He was harrassed and they tried to kill him (by poisoning him).

Show me who on earth, who wants to profit from a treatment he sells,

like drug companies, will do research on macrobiotic diet, which is

documented

by Dr. Sherry to cure ALM.

And lastly, why in 2004 do I have to see T.V programmes like that:

non-conventional cancer therapist attacked on T.V

From T.V program 19.8.2004

An Israeli T.V program crew member presented herself as

having Acute Myeloid Leukemia (she is healthy, though)

and went to an alternative therapist, he was pictured with

a hidden camera, and was presented as a quack on T.V at prime time.

The story goes, that she tells him she is 30 and she doesn't want to lose

hair, and that the doctors

said she must have immediately chemotherapy and bone marrow transplantation.

She says she wants something alternative, she asks him whether it's possible

to

not go for the conventional treatment, and cure her cancer, and he assures

her

it's possible and that she has to change her nutrition. He also tells her

twice,

that chemotherapy is effective with her type of cancer, but he adds it has

side effects and

there's a possibility for cancer to return in the future. She asks him what

he would do instead of her,

he says that if he had cancer, he wouldn't have had chemotherapy, also if he

had to die, because

chemotherapy itself kills. So she tells him- so why don't they give this

treatment in hospitals?

He tells her of the profits they gain from chemotherapy, so she says that

it's a scandal. he answers- It's not a scandal. It is murder. They murder

the people.

The whole presentation of the subject was to mock at him, when the

investigative reporter of the program

said he pretends to cure people with nutrition and encourages them not to go

for their

" essential " treatment, she said that he claimed he could cure

them only with nutrition and when saying the word " nutrition " she made a

face showing

she completely doesn't believe in nutrition.

Anyway, after they presented him as a criminial, they asked 3

conventional doctors what they think of this, and one of these doctors is

the chairman

of the israeli War on Cancer Association (or Israeli Cancer Society, a twin

of the American Cancer Society). All of them said it's quackery except from

the War on Cancer Association chairman who just said that he hopes that

after 3-4 months,

when she finishes the alternative and comes to the hospital, it won't be too

late.

The T.V crew investigative reporter said that they did speak to a woman who

had had breast cancer

and was cured after she had been to this therapist, but that they (T.V)

couldn't check whether

she was really cured because of his treatment or because of something else.

This therapist was attacked after an israeli successful pharmaceutical

company

pressured our Health Ministry to block a treatment of water rich in minerals

which he gave,

with which many patients had cancer regressions.

Actually my dog, when he was alive, showed a complete termination of

bleeding from his nose and tumor shrinkage after drinking the water for two

weeks.

Also I know a guy who had brain tumor and it was cleared after he drank the

water, and a surgery was cancelled, the doctors were amazed that they

had nothing to operate, because after receiving the " effective " radiations

and chemotherapy,

his tumor spread to the other side of his brain. He should have had a very

big surgery

(including his shoulder) but it was prevented by the water. The Health

ministry representative

whose father is a chemotherapy importer, threatened a hospital doctor not

to give the water to end stage (cancer) children or else he would be fired.

The children that did receive the water, by the way, were cured and sent

home.

Anyway, the Health Ministry caused the treatment manufature to close down,

and now they attack one of the 3 therapist in Israel who treated people with

the water,

in addiation to vitamins, enzymes, supplements, chinese mushrooms.

He has been treating cancer patients with nutrition for years.

update:

In the internet forum of the programme, people wrote reactions to

the show. People were furious at the show, said that

the info caused damage not only to , but also to

the public because chemo doesn't work.

Some people without knowledge on the subject, thought he was right to attack

the therapist.

Amnon Levi, the host of the show, sent a letter in reaction,

and wrote that all these people protecting they are himself with

different names,

and some of his relatives. He writes that he didn't say is a criminal

but

that he dismissed the chemo (and that's not ok). But not only is it not

true,

but also as one of the people wrote, the whole programme subject (it's a

every week on

different subjects, exposing crimes) is crimes exposure, so the minute he is

put in the programme,

it's stains him as criminal. (And he also pays the price now, because he

already lost patients to the TV show).

That is not true, because

A. the " patient " presented herself as someone who doesn't want chemo but

wants alternative.

It was a trap.

B. He said, and it is shown by the camera, that the chemo has success with

leukemia,

but it still has side effects and one of the side effects is cancer.

C. He didn't tell her what to do, he said that HE wouldn't go on chemo.

He also offered her 3 months of nutrition treatment, and see the

results. (If she didn't like it,

she could always return to chemo), because he explained to her that the

doctors always

say to everyone that one must immediately to go on chemo, but it's not

that if one doesn't go

he dies the next day, so she can try for 3 months. He also said they do

the " immediately " thing

just because of the money incentive.

Also, sent the TV program a research on a mushroom and how it succeeds

with leukemia,

and the data on chemo results, and he also asked them to come to the show

and react on live, but they refused.

He sent them a written reaction and asked to cite 13 lines but they cited

much less.

It was so purposely, it is so clear that it was on puropse.

Also, taught nurses and pharmacists, he taught many courses in

respected institutes.

Re: [ ] ***I just don't get it***

>

> As millions of lemmings rush headlong toward the cliff it is not that

> useful to focus on one and feel sorry for it. The smart move is simply

> to

> get out of the way.

> Blind acceptance of conventional medicine and the race to hospice is a

> multigenerational folly. It is not unfair to assume that the lady with

> cancer begat her own premature demise. We are witnessing nature in all

> its

> glory.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Curt,

Here's something else to consider as you work through the maze of ideas

and possibilities. That 50% " cure " rate. Have you asked what exactly

that means? Does that mean that 50% of the people who go through this

protocol actually return to leading normal lives and don't get cancer

again? Did you ask that? Usually, based on what I have read & witnessed

- and I'm sure someone else can tell us more on this - when the drug/

medical industry says " cure, " they mean that you might stay alive for

5 years. I have read that their statistics are based on surviving

for 5 years. They don't say in what condition.

Also, who paid for the studies that indicate that the protocol will

offer a " cure " 50% of the time? Again, from what I recall reading &

hearing on tv, it's usually the drug company that will profit from

the sale of their drugs or the use of the procedure. The whole system

is a circular pattern. Drug companies donate money to medical

universities and research departments, then the university does the

research, the research gets published in JAMA which also depends on

drug companies for the ads in the journal & I've read that that

influences what they publish.

So, when they tell you " 50% cure, " I wonder what that really means.

An example of this is that drug companies and doctors (their clerks)

told women (about 15 or 20 years ago) that they should start on

hormone replacement therapy (synthetic estrogen & progesterone) & stay

on it because it would help fight heart disease, it would help prevent

osteoporosis, it would keep their skin supple & they would basically

feel and look younger. I was on it for about 10 years, then I read

reports that it wasn't doing what they had said; and, in fact, women

on it for more than 10 years had a higher risk of breast cancer. I

told my doctor, a woman, that I was stopping it. She was very much

against my stopping, brought it up several times. I don't go to her

anymore. But this is just an example of how drug companies and the

medical industry manipulate the truth in order to sell. It's a big,

big business bringing in billions of dollars. They put pressure on

universities & medical journals as well as politicians.

I hope that you can get the answers to these questions. You're asking

for an alternative study that will give you the same odds for a " cure, "

but what exactly does that mean? Who did the studies that produced

these statistics, how many people were in the study, where are the

research results published, have you read them, who financed the study,

can you talk to people who have have been through it?

With the Gerson Therapy, you can talk to over 200 volunteers who were

cured by the Gerson program. They will even work with you to start the

program at home & stay on it. You can contact them through the Gerson

Therapy Group or the Gerson Institute online.

Just some more things to think about.

Even though some of the messages in this group are not easy to deal

with, they are giving you various points of view. You are getting

responses. That in itself is support.

Curt Rettke wrote:

> Well, , you and a few others in this group seem to feel

strongly that conventional medicine is 100% useless to cure my cancer.

So the consensus of several of you is to stop seeing my doctor and

JUST do alternative therapy. OK. I'm here.

> I have Acute Myeloid Leukemia. Traditional medicine is giving me a

50% cure rate. It will include reduced versions of chemo/radiation

with a new protocol out of Seattle, one of the leading places in the

country

> for transplants for AML patients. They have clinically controlled

> studies to back up this cure rate. So traditional medicine IS

offering me an option on how to cure me. It's not great, but it's

something.

> So here's the challenge which I laid out in a prior email which no

one answered. SHOW ME ONE CLINICALLY CONTROLLED ALTERNATIVE STUDY WHICH

> FACTUALLY SUPPORTS A CURE RATE FOR AML > 50%. If you or anyone can

do, this then I'm in.

[Guest guest]

>

> So here's the challenge which I laid out in a prior email which no one

> answered. SHOW ME ONE CLINICALLY CONTROLLED ALTERNATIVE STUDY WHICH

> FACTUALLY SUPPORTS A CURE RATE FOR AML > 50%. If you or anyone can do,

> this then I'm in.

Curt,

do you know of a single double-blind placebo-controlled in vivo human

study of chemotherapy? If you do, I would much appreciate seeing it.

To my knowledge, they don't exist.

Elena

[Guest guest]

> SHOW ME ONE CLINICALLY CONTROLLED ALTERNATIVE STUDY WHICH

> FACTUALLY SUPPORTS A CURE RATE FOR AML > 50%. If you or anyone can

do,

> this then I'm in.

> This is a REAL situation. Who's up for the challenge?????

Curt Rettke,

You came to the wrong group.

Please read group description:

" We are interested in pursuing and trying therapies that have not

been accepted, studied or researched by mainstream medicine - those

that other people and the medical community may refer to as " snake

oil " or have never heard about, and are afraid to try - the ones

that the pharmaceutical industry will never invest in because most

are natural and there is no profit to the companies. "

If you are interested in CLINICALLY CONTROLLED STUDIES, please join

other cancer groups that share such data, and please stay away from

this group.

Dushan

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> That 50% " cure " rate. Have you asked what exactly

>that means? Does that mean that 50% of the people who go through this

>protocol actually return to leading normal lives and don't get cancer

>again? Did you ask that?

Yes, I asked. It means that I will be free of my AML disease for 5+

years. And AML, from what I've heard, rarely relapses after a few years

in remission. But I will still get a reduced intensity chemo/radiation

treatment of the whole body, so obviously this can cause immediate and

long term problems. But the intensity is MUCH reduced over traditional

AML transplant protocols. The list of " risks " in the clinical trial

consent form is amazingly lower and not nearly as daunting as the full

chemo/radiation most AML patients go thru. The expectation from them is

no long term problems with my health, but there is obviously no

guarantee of this.

>With the Gerson Therapy, you can talk to over 200 volunteers who were

>cured by the Gerson program. They will even work with you to start the

>program at home & stay on it. You can contact them through the Gerson

>Therapy Group or the Gerson Institute online.

Thanks, I will do that. Leonard mentioned it's cure rate for AML is very

poor, but nonetheless it could help me get stronger before and after

transplant.

[Guest guest]

For Curt

Go for it. No one has an option on cancer cures, if

they did they would be making a fortune. I have had

CLL for 24 years. average survival time is 12 or so

I opted for a combination of Chinese medicine,

Cleansing, juicing AND chemo. I took two protocols

and got a 6 year remission each time. My quality of

life was great. You would never know I had anything

wrong, energy level good and leading a normal life.

Don't let the naysayers discourge you, you can get

well and it makes sense to use any means to accomplish

this goal. why fool with your life. One more thing i

did which was very helpful was tio see Gerald Epstein

MD and consulted with him about healing

visualizations. They work. You can buy his books on

the we. Good Luck Arlene Pannullo

[Guest guest]

I want to add to Curt that the problem with alternative cures is that they

don't have the funding to carry out research. That doesn't mean they are not

successful. Take the Gerson Therapy (sorry, I am partial to that because

I've researched it a lot and read about the countless of CURED incurables)

for instance. They are extremely successful at erradicating cancer and other

illnesses, but they can't afford the studies. Empirically, they have proven

its effectiveness and you can read about it from the patients themselves.

Several of them have written books. Curt, I urge you to consider it. Best,

Amelia

[Guest guest]

The problem with doing both conventional AND alternative medicine is that

drugs are harmful to the body and they prevent the alternative methods from

being effective. I know that sounds drastic, but all drugs are poison and

actually create tumors. They may succeed in the short term (sometimes), but

usually fail in the long run.

[Guest guest]

From: " Amelia Gerlach " <ameliagerlach@...>

> The problem with doing both conventional AND alternative medicine is

that

> drugs are harmful to the body

Absolutely.

> and they prevent the alternative methods from

> being effective.

Very often they do. In some cases, they're synergistic.

> I know that sounds drastic, but all drugs are poison

> and actually create tumors. They may succeed in the short term

(sometimes), but

> usually fail in the long run.

Yes, they fail in the vast majority of cancers and the vast majority

of cancer patients.

However, it's easy to trash conventional therapy and preach the

wonders of a pure alt. approach (which I endorse for the vast majority

of cancer patients) when you don't have acute (let alone AML)

leukemia.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Amelia, Here is another one for your files,

from the latest Doctor yourself newsletter.

Iris.

GERSON THERAPY: A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

by Tony

United Kingdom

Diagnosed with advanced cancer in February 2002, I was told that I would

probably not have as long as five weeks to live unless I followed the

orthodox methods. I did not altogether reject conventional treatment,

eventually having surgery for which I was extremely grateful. The biopsy was

Dukes C3 staging meant the tumour had burst the colon and had been found

extensively in my lymph. My situation was further complicated when blood

tests showed I was also Hepatitis B & C positive.

The devastating effects of chemotherapy on friends as well as my sister's

suffering as she was subjected to one session after another of experimental

chemotherapy to no avail following spread of breast cancer, was instrumental

in me choosing against all the pressure, to take an holistic approach

combining Gerson treatment with high dose supplementation designed to boost

the immune system and create an internal bio-environment detrimental to

cancer. Treatment included detoxification procedures such as three coffee

enemas a day.

This was an informed choice based on well-documented developments in

nutrition and Orthomolecular Oncology, which provides ample evidence and

clinical records of people being cured of even late stage cancers by

alternative, if controversial methods. I have lost, as I am sure we all

have, only too many good friends and family to cancer to realize that

conventional answers are not forthcoming. Tumours may be shrunk but

Metastasis is the killer. If conventional treatment were so successful why

on earth should I and others like me seek elsewhere?

In response to some of the comments made by the medical profession, I would

like to set the record straight. The American Cancer Society tells us that

there is no reason for coffee enemas to work, that they are dangerous and in

extreme circumstances can cause death. Does that mean that cancer is less

dangerous and that chemotherapy is a benign treatment, which is always 100%

efficacious? As for why they work; coffee contains choleretics, substances

that increase the flow of toxin-rich bile from the gall bladder. The coffee

enema is among the only pharmaceutically effective cholorectics noted in

medical literature that can be safely used many times without toxic effects.

Coffee enemas are no less bizarre that mustard gas, which is the origination

of chemotherapy.

Costs of the Gerson treatment, we are told, can be high. How much does

conventional treatment cost the taxpayer and groaning NHS per patient per

annum? According to the Wall St. Journal, 16 October, 2002, over $2 trillion

has been spent on cancer research and treatments. Numbers dying from the

disease are soaring to plague proportions with one in two projected within

the next twenty years. In the developed world it is already one in three.

Yet we are constantly being informed that 'the magic bullet is just around

the corner.'

" Rather than narrow the research spectrum we have a duty to humanity to

throw the door open and explore every single avenue yet alternative

treatments are continuously vilified without any honest research into their

efficacy. Moves are afoot through current EU

(http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v3n21.txt) and Codex Alimentarius

directives (http://www.doctoryourself.com/supplement_limit.html and

http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v2n12.txt), eventually intended for

global implementation, to ban every nutrient that I and others take to deal

with cancer as well as many other degenerative conditions on the basis of

being 'unproven,' even though these same supplements have papers published

in respectable scientific journals for peer review showing much to recommend

them. It is a scandal that this choice is to be removed from mature adults

by legislation. Good nutrition is our Common Wealth but modern, chemically

saturated, farming techniques, has stripped the soil of essential nutrients,

which can only be replaced by nutritional supplementation. Cancer kills its

host and the plundering of the earth's resources by the few will do the

same.

Dr. Max Gerson was, as Albert Schweitzer said, a genius. As a fellow human

being Prince has every right to state an opinion as much as the next

man. If his detractors have the answer, then where is it? "

(Doctor Yourself editor's note: Another article by Mr. on the

benefits of the Gerson therapy appeared in the UK newspaper The Guardian,

and is posted at

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1115514,00.html. His

email is tjaxon@... .

A search for " Gerson " at http://www.doctoryourself.com will bring you much

more information on this important therapy.

RE: [ ] Re: ***I just don't get it***

>

> I want to add to Curt that the problem with alternative cures is that they

> don't have the funding to carry out research. That doesn't mean they are

not

> successful. Take the Gerson Therapy (sorry, I am partial to that because

> I've researched it a lot and read about the countless of CURED incurables)

> for instance. They are extremely successful at erradicating cancer and

other

> illnesses, but they can't afford the studies. Empirically, they have

proven

> its effectiveness and you can read about it from the patients themselves.

> Several of them have written books. Curt, I urge you to consider it. Best,

> Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Iris, thanks for the information. I totally agree. What is your situation

now, are you better? How long have you done Gerson?

-----Original Message-----

From: Iris Atzmon

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:37 PM

Amelia, Here is another one for your files, from the latest Doctor yourself

newsletter.

Iris.

GERSON THERAPY: A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

[Guest guest]

Hi Leonard:

<<However, it's easy to trash conventional therapy and preach the wonders of

a pure alt. approach (which I endorse for the vast majority of cancer

patients) when you don't have acute (let alone AML) leukemia.>>

==>I've been following this thread. My best friend's mom (a very active and

vibrant 73 year old) has AML. What can she take to help? Her blood counts

have crashed after the chemo (can't remember the exact name of what they're

giving her........) I'd like to get her on some alt things to improve her

systemically. Any suggestions?

~Amber

[Guest guest]

Hi Amber,

From: " Stargazer " <Stargazer@...>

> ==>I've been following this thread. My best friend's mom (a very

active and

> vibrant 73 year old) has AML. What can she take to help?

I've already posted pretty everything I know about alt. treatments for

AML.

> Her blood counts

> have crashed after the chemo (can't remember the exact name of what

they're

> giving her........)

I'm sorry to hear that.

> I'd like to get her on some alt things to improve her

> systemically. Any suggestions?

I'm not a health practitioner and don't feel like I have the medical

knowledge to recommend anything for her personally. I think others on

this list could answer your question better than I could. Let me know

if you'd like me to email you names of holistic cancer practitioners

in a particular geographic area or information I've compiled on diet

and natural supplements for people w/cancer in general.

Best wishes,

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Leonard. I hesitate to recommend anything to her

beyond immune boosters either since this is not a solid tumor. She does

have a great onco that is willing to think outside the box :-)

~Amber

> I've already posted pretty everything I know about alt. treatments for

> AML.