RE: Why are Alternative Docs and others so greedy for money ?

[Guest guest]

Katrina,

I have seen that as well in the Autism community, My 2 sons have been

diagnosed with autism. Just to get a decent psychological evaluation to be

able to

attain services costs over $1800.+ The alternative people , cost just as

much or even more. Forget about poor people getting appropriate services for

their handicapped children, they cannot afford the proper evaluation. Therefore,

many just slip through the cracks of the system.

deb

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/2006 10:12:20 AM Central Standard Time,

cureisthepits@... writes:

Everybodys entitled to making thier own living and when your a doctor in this

country or the west you make more money...if you want to cure your own cancer

let's say...just order some b-17 or apricot seeds and do it yourself it's

called self help. The problem is not that doctors make so much money it's that

people rely on them for thier health rather than taking responsibility for it

themselves

I vehemently disagree with this position. While there are many alternative

doctors out there who are wonderful and caring and not just about money, there

are plently of them who are charlatans and thieves. In my quest to help a loved

one beat cancer, I've encountered both kinds, and have been taken for plently

of money. That said, a good alternative doctor is a treasure, and I'm glad we

have found a few. Cancer patients are vulnerable people, so I find the " let's

blame the victim " attitude of this response cruel and insensitive.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/06 1:48:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

gieshouse50@... writes:

> Forget about poor people getting appropriate services for

> their handicapped children, they cannot afford the proper evaluation.

> Therefore,

> many just slip through the cracks of the system.

>

Deb..where are you located? You can contact at badillo9@aol and she

can help you with your situation.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/06 2:06:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vgammill@... writes:

> In this respect there is no real difference between most

> conventional and most alternative practices.

>

>

Except that traditional medicine accepts medicare and 99% of holistic doctors

do not. Since older folks have a higher risk of degenerative diseases, this

is a problem in the health care industry.

[Guest guest]

Everybodys entitled to making thier own living and when your a doctor in this

country or the west you make more money...if you want to cure your own cancer

let's say...just order some b-17 or apricot seeds and do it yourself it's called

self help. The problem is not that doctors make so much money it's that people

rely on them for thier health rather than taking responsibility for it

themselves.

JV... www.seedofaith.com

" K. " <kc43099@...> wrote:

I don't believe in traditional treatments and prescription drugs,

however when one does try and go the alternative route, all they want is your

money. I had to come to the realization of that real quick yesterday. As long as

I had money, my Alt. Doc was so nice and friendly. I accidentally left my purse

at home because I was in such a hurry. I asked if I could bring the money on

Friday, and I was told NO ! So I did not get treated yesterday, after driving

two hours. You would think that our relationship was better than that. She (the

doc )was so cold to me. Money changes things, and people. I guess her philosophy

is " No money No service. " I guess I am hurt because I really thought she cared

about me. In a way I am glad for the experience because I was able to see the

true side of her ($$$$$$$$$).

There are so many more like her ! It really is a shame ! That is the only thing

that turns me off from the alternative community. There are so many vultures out

there just waiting to snatch money from people who are desperate to get well.

May God have mercy on them !

Sincerely,

Katrina -

" Faith sees the invisible, believes the unbelievable, and receives the

impossible. " - Corrie ten Boom

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/06 3:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cbrigitte3@... writes:

> Well I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that it costs several

> hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a doctor!

>

Alternative doctors refuse generally speaking to accept insurance. Their

education costs the same as traditional doctors, yet they refuse to take

medicare.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/2006 2:48:28 PM Central Standard Time,

szukidavis@... writes:

Alternative doctors refuse generally speaking to accept insurance. Their

education costs the same as traditional doctors, yet they refuse to take

medicare.

There's a wonderful alternative doctor here in Manhattan who does take

medicare. If you'd like his name and number, please contact me offlist.

[Guest guest]

The salient defining feature of modern capitalist medicine is

economic: your health is held hostage for money, thus the

practitioner's economic health depends on expansion and maintenance

of illness. In this respect there is no real difference between most

conventional and most alternative practices.

In the US health care is a $1.8 trillion dollar per year

business. It is almost four times the defense budget. Those who

make the big bucks will stop at nothing to keep you sick and take

your money. But lets say that an idealistic third political party

took over the country and by fiat had the government legalize and pay

for all health care products and services, and only price gouging

became illegal. We will still have a screwed up system. Millions

of true-believing healers would descend on the millions of chronic

disease patients. How can these patients make smart and timely

decisions? Keep in mind that by definition the average person has an

IQ of 100. This means that half the population has an IQ under

100. It is not just half the patients who are not clever -- it is

half the healers too!

How do you know if you are dealing with an idiot practitioner? For

starters, do they know what you need even before they get to know you

and your body? Do they have simple solutions or combinations of

simple solutions? E.g., all you need to do is alkalinize, to eat

macrobiotic, to avoid milk, drink a mineral toddy, to use flax seed

oil, to eat a certain mushroom, to take a certain supplement, to

perform a mystical/psychological ritual. Any or all of these might

be useful, but not across the board. At least they tend to be inexpensive.

This week I am particularly irked with simple-minded solutions. We

had a donor for our non-profit who at a rate of about $25,000 per

month covered the basic expenses. He was not our only donor over the

last 5 years. My personal debt load increased from $500,000 to about

$2,100,000 as I have refused to turn down anyone who wants treatment.

Our main donor attended a Dr. Hamer revival last week and returned

with the conviction that all cancers and all chronic diseases are

caused by emotional trauma and thus can be treated with psychological

therapy. Our donor leaned this way for decades, but now he found a

renegade MD who, without any evidence, claimed he could cure 95% of

cancer just by addressing the emotional trauma. Our donor exalted

how smoking does not cause cancer and then immediately closed the

clinic and the lab. It was he who signed the leases. He ordered the

facilities vacated, the locks changed and he went on a cruise to

Alaska. How can I get mad at an old opinionated man who helped many

people until he found a new religion?

The patients are in a panic. Usually after carefully searching for

the best strategies for each individual we would find the remedy(ies)

that worked for them. Many of these we had to make ourselves. I try

to calm these patients while we look for new donors. Most of our

clients are adults. This week I had to turn down an 11 year old girl

in Brazil with brain cancer. A month ago I promised her father that

I would provide free treatment. He spent the past month saving the

money to fly to San Diego to pick up the meds and learn to use

them. What am I to tell him now -- that the girl's brain cancer was

caused by emotional trauma and that the cancer will go away with talk therapy?

Effectively treating cancer is never easy. It can usually be done,

but it is hard work. It is especially difficult when you lose a

patient whom you have reassured and who really trusts you. Now I am

afraid for the fates of many patients. We don't even have the staff

to handle the phone calls.

I do want to publicly thank list member Owens. flew

down to San Diego with a team of problem solvers. It is his intent

to help make some of our findings available to everyone. In the

interim he has lined up a funding source of $4,000 per month to help

cover the debt service on the land we bought to build a non-profit

retreat to rescue terminal cancer patients.

At 07:53 AM 7/4/2006, you wrote:

>Everybodys entitled to making thier own living and when your a

>doctor in this country or the west you make more money...if you want

>to cure your own cancer let's say...just order some b-17 or apricot

>seeds and do it yourself it's called self help. The problem is not

>that doctors make so much money it's that people rely on them for

>thier health rather than taking responsibility for it themselves.

>

> JV... www.seedofaith.com

>

> " K. " <kc43099@...> wrote:

> I don't believe in traditional treatments and

> prescription drugs, however when one does try and go the

> alternative route, all they want is your money. I had to come to

> the realization of that real quick yesterday. As long as I had

> money, my Alt. Doc was so nice and friendly. I accidentally left my

> purse at home because I was in such a hurry. I asked if I could

> bring the money on Friday, and I was told NO ! So I did not get

> treated yesterday, after driving two hours. You would think that

> our relationship was better than that. She (the doc )was so cold to

> me. Money changes things, and people. I guess her philosophy is " No

> money No service. " I guess I am hurt because I really thought she

> cared about me. In a way I am glad for the experience because I was

> able to see the true side of her ($$$$$$$$$).

>

>There are so many more like her ! It really is a shame ! That is the

>only thing that turns me off from the alternative community. There

>are so many vultures out there just waiting to snatch money from

>people who are desperate to get well. May God have mercy on them !

>

>Sincerely,

>Katrina -

> " Faith sees the invisible, believes the unbelievable, and receives

>the impossible. " - Corrie ten Boom

>

[Guest guest]

You go girl!

primamore@... wrote: In a message dated 7/4/2006 10:12:20 AM

Central Standard Time,

cureisthepits@... writes:

Everybodys entitled to making thier own living and when your a doctor in this

country or the west you make more money...if you want to cure your own cancer

let's say...just order some b-17 or apricot seeds and do it yourself it's

called self help. The problem is not that doctors make so much money it's that

people rely on them for thier health rather than taking responsibility for it

themselves

I vehemently disagree with this position. While there are many alternative

doctors out there who are wonderful and caring and not just about money, there

are plently of them who are charlatans and thieves. In my quest to help a loved

one beat cancer, I've encountered both kinds, and have been taken for plently

of money. That said, a good alternative doctor is a treasure, and I'm glad we

have found a few. Cancer patients are vulnerable people, so I find the " let's

blame the victim " attitude of this response cruel and insensitive.

[Guest guest]

Well I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that it costs several

hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a doctor!

gieshouse50@... wrote: Katrina,

I have seen that as well in the Autism community, My 2 sons have been

diagnosed with autism. Just to get a decent psychological evaluation to be able

to

attain services costs over $1800.+ The alternative people , cost just as

much or even more. Forget about poor people getting appropriate services for

their handicapped children, they cannot afford the proper evaluation. Therefore,

many just slip through the cracks of the system.

deb

[Guest guest]

ly most people ar ein it for the money. There is nothing wrong with

profit as it is a necessary function of capitalism. There is however the

funny word " greed " that seems to creep into the picture. Simply because you

sell supplements instead of prescription drugs does not mean you are immune

to gouging. Look at any MLM marketing plan and tell me there is no profit

before all else.

A great number of people really do care. But a greater number are no more

interested in your health than what they can put in the bank. That is what

has hurt this industry. The AMA and the FDA protect the profit function of

allopathic medicine. The snake-oil salesmen ruin natural healing for the

rest of us.

REgards,

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org <http://survivecancerfoundation.org/>

Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day

has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of VGammill

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:08 PM

Subject: [ ] Why are Alternative Docs and others so greedy for

money ?

Bruce reports that I am too conservative with my numbers. Bruce

clocks US expenditures for alternative health care at 700 billion

dollars per year. This is very big money by anyone's measure. I

wonder who the big beneficiaries are. I have heard that major

pharmaceutical companies have been buying up nutritional supplement

companies and herb companies -- perhaps to better assure compliance with

Codex.

At 04:20 PM 7/4/2006, you wrote:

>The only update I would add to your posting is that in 2003, allopathic

>medical expenditures in the U.S. were at $2.3 trillion and alternative at

..7

>trillion.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/5/06 6:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cureisthepits@... writes:

> Presently I am serving time in the Brooklyn Detention Center

how long did they give you?

[Guest guest]

Listen, my name is and I only charge about seven dollars a bag for apricot

seeds which can cure cancer...am I being greedy? I am not a doctor though I have

helped cure thousands and thousands of people this way. Presently I am serving

time in the Brooklyn Detention Center as the FDA did not like me curing the

potential customers of the AMA, SMK, etc...you know, the $210 billion dollar a

year INDUSTRY.

JV at www.seedoffaith.com

Brigitte <cbrigitte3@...> wrote:

Well I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that it costs

several hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a doctor!

gieshouse50@... wrote: Katrina,

I have seen that as well in the Autism community, My 2 sons have been

diagnosed with autism. Just to get a decent psychological evaluation to be able

to

attain services costs over $1800.+ The alternative people , cost just as

much or even more. Forget about poor people getting appropriate services for

their handicapped children, they cannot afford the proper evaluation. Therefore,

many just slip through the cracks of the system.

deb

[Guest guest]

Listen, my name is and I only charge about seven dollars a bag for apricot

seeds which can cure cancer...am I being greedy? I am not a doctor though I have

helped cure thousands and thousands of people this way. Presently I am serving

time in the Brooklyn Detention Center as the FDA did not like me curing the

potential customers of the AMA, SMK, etc...you know, the $210 billion dollar a

year INDUSTRY.

JV at www.seedoffaith.com

primamore@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/4/2006 2:48:28 PM Central Standard Time,

szukidavis@... writes:

Alternative doctors refuse generally speaking to accept insurance. Their

education costs the same as traditional doctors, yet they refuse to take

medicare.

There's a wonderful alternative doctor here in Manhattan who does take

medicare. If you'd like his name and number, please contact me offlist.

[Guest guest]

My name is and I only charge about seven dollars a bag for apricot seeds

which can cure cancer...am I being greedy? I am not a doctor though I have

helped cure thousands and thousands of people this way. Presently I am serving

time in the Brooklyn Detention Center as the FDA did not like me curing the

potential customers of the AMA, SMK, etc...you know, the $210 billion dollar a

year INDUSTRY.

JV at http://www.seedoffaith.com

[Guest guest]

: I thought you were jailed for spaming? Not healing...

[Guest guest]

All in all 5 yrs.

JV www.seedoffaith.com

szukidavis@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/5/06 6:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cureisthepits@... writes:

> Presently I am serving time in the Brooklyn Detention Center

how long did they give you?

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Remember me--Pattie with breast, neck and lymph cancer

in 2002. You are in my prayers everyday.

I was blessed to be led to you, Alpha Omega and

natural medicine. All of my medical problems are gone

and I have never felt better--thank you again.

Finding a reasonable natural doctor is a journey; but

they are out there. One must meditate and ask our

higher power for help--it works.

PJ

--- Vale <cureisthepits@...> wrote:

> Listen, my name is and I only charge about

> seven dollars a bag for apricot seeds which can cure

> cancer...am I being greedy? I am not a doctor though

> I have helped cure thousands and thousands of people

> this way. Presently I am serving time in the

> Brooklyn Detention Center as the FDA did not like me

> curing the potential customers of the AMA, SMK,

> etc...you know, the $210 billion dollar a year

> INDUSTRY.

>

> JV at www.seedoffaith.com

>

> Brigitte <cbrigitte3@...> wrote:

> Well I think it also has a lot to do with

> the fact that it costs several hundreds of thousands

> of dollars to become a doctor!

>

> gieshouse50@... wrote: Katrina,

> I have seen that as well in the Autism community, My

> 2 sons have been

> diagnosed with autism. Just to get a decent

> psychological evaluation to be able to

> attain services costs over $1800.+ The alternative

> people , cost just as

> much or even more. Forget about poor people getting

> appropriate services for

> their handicapped children, they cannot afford the

> proper evaluation. Therefore,

> many just slip through the cracks of the system.

> deb

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[Guest guest]

Hi :

Remember me--Pattie with breast, neck and lymph cancer

in 2002. You are in my prayers everyday.

I was blessed to be led to you, Alpha Omega and

natural medicine. All of my medical problems are gone

and I have never felt better--thank you again.

Finding a reasonable natural doctor is a journey; but

they are out there. One must meditate and ask our

higher power for help--it works.

PJ

--- Vale <cureisthepits@...> wrote:

> Listen, my name is and I only charge about

> seven dollars a bag for apricot seeds which can cure

> cancer...am I being greedy? I am not a doctor though

> I have helped cure thousands and thousands of people

> this way. Presently I am serving time in the

> Brooklyn Detention Center as the FDA did not like me

> curing the potential customers of the AMA, SMK,

> etc...you know, the $210 billion dollar a year

> INDUSTRY.

>

> JV at www.seedoffaith.com

>

> Brigitte <cbrigitte3@...> wrote:

> Well I think it also has a lot to do with

> the fact that it costs several hundreds of thousands

> of dollars to become a doctor!

>

> gieshouse50@... wrote: Katrina,

> I have seen that as well in the Autism community, My

> 2 sons have been

> diagnosed with autism. Just to get a decent

> psychological evaluation to be able to

> attain services costs over $1800.+ The alternative

> people , cost just as

> much or even more. Forget about poor people getting

> appropriate services for

> their handicapped children, they cannot afford the

> proper evaluation. Therefore,

> many just slip through the cracks of the system.

> deb

>

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> removed]

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