Cooking oils

[Guest guest]

I use walnut oil alot, whenever I don't use Olive Oil, that is. Beneficial for us O's. I find it nice and light, I don't do pancakes right now (in weight loss mode), but I bet Walnut oil would be great! You could use butter, but I bet the oil would be better. On the kelvin scale walnut oil can be heated to the middle of med-high. For high heat you can use sesame oil. I don't know that much about trans fats though, but these are the 3 I use as a type O- non-sec.

--Lilla

My kids love pancakes, so I make them with all o.k. grains which I

throw into my grain grinder to make fresh flour. I used to brush

canola oil onto the hot cast iron pan and made wonderful pancakes as a

treat. My question is: given all the controversy over trans fats,

etc., what kind of oil should I use so that the pancakes won't stick?

Someone suggested butter or lard (from free range animals, of course).

I'm really not into no-stick pans, so I welcome suggestions.

Also, what do people use for sauteeing, as I heard that heating olive

oil is not healthy either? But isn't this what the Mediterranean folks

use?

--- Lilla Luoma

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You're welcome. 'cept I made a boo boo about sesame oil. Its for medium heat not high heat. Hmmm never tried Grape seed oil, will have to check it out.

--Lilla

I use grape seed oil as it takes a lot of heat. Thank you Lilla, I hadn't thought of the Walnut oil. I'll try it and see if it is lighter.

I use walnut oil alot, whenever I don't use Olive Oil, that is. Beneficial for us O's. I find it nice and light, I don't do pancakes right now (in weight loss mode), but I bet Walnut oil would be great! You could use butter, but I bet the oil would be better. On the kelvin scale walnut oil can be heated to the middle of med-high. For high heat you can use sesame oil. I don't know that much about trans fats though, but these are the 3 I use as a type O- non-sec.

--Lilla

--- Lilla Luoma

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[Guest guest]

Wondering about that Grapeseed oil....

Where do you find it? What is the brand name?

(First I hear of it!)

Frances Nokes in Winnipeg

[Guest guest]

I find my grapeseed oil at the HFS in Paris, TX. The brand is Montebello,

out of Englewood Cliffs NJ. I read about it somewhere and was hearing a lot

about Grape Seed Extract and Grapefruit Seed Extract at the time, and

decided to try it. It's not as heavy as olive oil.

> Wondering about that Grapeseed oil....

> Where do you find it? What is the brand name?

> (First I hear of it!)

> Frances Nokes in Winnipeg

>

>

[Guest guest]

Francis said:

And isn't it funny that both the Grape Seed and the Grapefruit Seed extracts, which must be quite different though they sound similar, came into popular HF consciousness at about the same time!

Yes, and yet Grape Seed Extract helps to lower cholesterol, Grapefruit Seed extract is supposed to be good for antiviral and getting rid of some parasites internally as drops or pill, and also for cleaning, mouthwash, and other things. This is one of those things I'm waiting to get other opinions about, though I have read it should not be taken all the time.

[Guest guest]

Frances

I look after the Nature's Cupboards (Health Food) department in our

local supermarket in Central Ontario. Often I find that brands

readily available to our neighbours south of the border,and mentioned

on the blood boards are not found in Canada.

We stock Grapeseed Oil by Borges. Tomorrow when I go to work I will

read the address label and post the info when I get home, and this

may help your local HFS order some for you.

Have you checked in the major supermarkets in Winnipeg for Health

Sets. They are all the rage in Ontario among the major chains like

A & P, Dominion & Zehrs etc. You have Safeway and Overwaitea (sp?) in

Manitoba I think, so phone about to save travel time, and see if they

stock some items. Our sales of soy products, organic dairy and

hundreds of other items are growing exponentially to the point where

suppliers are having trouble keeping stock in the warehouses!

Just think how healthy many others could be if they new about and

tried Living and Eating Right 4 their type!!

Take care

Toni

[Guest guest]

I use real butter...just the land o lakes brand. I only use about

1TBSP. Some people use water, but I don't know how well that works.

I would just steam it if I were doing that.

Astra

>

> Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook

with because

> it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

samething. What

> do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good

and how much

> of it?

[Guest guest]

I hadnt heard that about olive oil. I was just watching a cooking

program this morning that they used olive oil to cook in.

>

> Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook

with because

> it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

samething. What

> do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good

and how much

> of it?

[Guest guest]

Uh, yep. It was a cooking show, not a nutrition show. I am an avid

fan of gourmet cooking and used to saute EVERYTHING in olive oil.

It's a HEALTHY oil, right? Sure. Unless you heat it at high

temperatures, then it becomes toxic and a trans-fatty acid. Atleast,

by everything I've read.

So, the SAFEST fat to fry in is butter, but you have to make sure not

to brown it.

Sucks, don't it?

Astra

> >

> > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook

> with because

> > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

> samething. What

> > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good

> and how much

> > of it?

[Guest guest]

It was a nutrition cooking show actually. Fit Cuisine with Jim

Shiebler (http://www.thebodygourmet.com/press.htm).

Not saying you are wrong. Just never heard of that before. I have

heard not to cook with flax oil.

> > >

> > > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to

cook

> > with because

> > > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

> > samething. What

> > > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is

good

> > and how much

> > > of it?

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...that's discouraging. Alot of cooks either don't KNOW this

information or just ignore it. Everything in moderation is prolly

the key here. I'll definitely be sauteeing if I'm cooking for a

crowd or whatever! Just cause it's low-fat or fat free doesn't mean

it's nutritious. Alot of 'fit' cooking shows are considered so

because they are low fat or fat free.

Any oil you heat becomes toxic, atleast all of the documentation I've

read says so. I wish it weren't true, believe ME!~

Thanks,

Astra

> > > >

> > > > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to

> cook

> > > with because

> > > > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

> > > samething. What

> > > > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is

> good

> > > and how much

> > > > of it?

[Guest guest]

I use a spray - like Mazola or Pam. NO butter.

Rita

cooking oils

Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook with because

it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the samething. What

do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good and how much

of it?

[Guest guest]

Whoa... olive oil becomes toxic when you cook with it???? I don't think so!

But I don't use it anymore - now I just spray a non-stick pan with Pam or saute

in a bit of water.

Park

cooking oils

Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook with because

it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the samething. What

do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good and how much

of it?

[Guest guest]

astramari02 wrote:

> Uh, yep. It was a cooking show, not a nutrition show. I am an avid

> fan of gourmet cooking and used to saute EVERYTHING in olive oil.

> It's a HEALTHY oil, right? Sure. Unless you heat it at high

> temperatures, then it becomes toxic and a trans-fatty acid. Atleast,

> by everything I've read.

>

> So, the SAFEST fat to fry in is butter, but you have to make sure not

> to brown it.

>

> Sucks, don't it?

>

> Astra

Do you know what counts as " high temperatures " ? Are we talking 100 degrees?

300 degrees?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

I have an electric skillet and you can cook almost anything in it without adding

oil. I use a little water sometimes with stir fry and that steams it a little

too. If you don't have one, they are a great tool to cook with and priced

reasonably.

Noelle

Re: Re: cooking oils

astramari02 wrote:

> Uh, yep. It was a cooking show, not a nutrition show. I am an avid

> fan of gourmet cooking and used to saute EVERYTHING in olive oil.

> It's a HEALTHY oil, right? Sure. Unless you heat it at high

> temperatures, then it becomes toxic and a trans-fatty acid. Atleast,

> by everything I've read.

>

> So, the SAFEST fat to fry in is butter, but you have to make sure not

> to brown it.

>

> Sucks, don't it?

>

> Astra

Do you know what counts as " high temperatures " ? Are we talking 100 degrees?

300 degrees?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh!!! It does so! Nahhhhh...

Just kidding. Seriously, I'm reading Udo Erasmus' book, Fats that

kill, Fats that Heal and, unfortunately, it does. Not toxic in that

it will kill you the second you eat it. But it turns it to a

poisonous substance. Let me get further and I'll post some stuff.

Astra (again, not meaning to argue. I would always rather know the

truth, even when it's ugly!!)

> Whoa... olive oil becomes toxic when you cook with it???? I don't

think so! But I don't use it anymore - now I just spray a non-stick

pan with Pam or saute in a bit of water.

> Park

> cooking oils

>

>

>

> Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook

with because

> it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

samething. What

> do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good

and how much

> of it?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I ALWAYS use olive oil to cook with. Anything that calls for oil get

olive oil.

> >

> > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to cook

> with because

> > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

> samething. What

> > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is good

> and how much

> > of it?

[Guest guest]

I've been hooked on tomatoes lately and I just saute them first and

then add the other ingredients to the juice from the tomatoes.

Sometimes I add about 1/2 tsp of ff italian dressing and I'm good to

go!

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Here are a few links on it. I did a quick search for olive oil and

toxicity and didn't bring much up. The whole foods site says that

any oil that is allowed to smoke can become toxic. Of course neither

of these sites are backed up with research. Astra, could you please

provide some sort of thorough scientific study that discuses this?

Just for my own information. I have noticed that a lot of people tend

to live their lives by things that they have " once read " or " once

heard " . I'm not saying that you are wrong its just that I require

evidence for just about everything.

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/efatox.rtf

http://www.wholefoods.com/healthinfo/canola.html

-Carolyn

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil to

> > cook

> > > > with because

> > > > > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me the

> > > > samething. What

> > > > > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind is

> > good

> > > > and how much

> > > > > of it?

[Guest guest]

Tomatoes are soooo good right now! yummmmy

Rita

Re: cooking oils

I've been hooked on tomatoes lately and I just saute them first and

then add the other ingredients to the juice from the tomatoes.

Sometimes I add about 1/2 tsp of ff italian dressing and I'm good to

go!

Colleen

[Guest guest]

Carolyn, I'm the exact same way. I don't know about hard scientific

evidence, I'm no scientist...that's for sure. I am a big

fan/believer in Udo Erasmus' information and studies. You can read

his articles at this site...

http://www.udoerasmus.com

There's a link to articles, I don't have time to look it up as I'm

home alone with my newborn and 5YO...whoa is me!! LOL

Pretty fascinating stuff. I think you're right about the toxicity

being brought on when it smokes. Olive oil is the best 'oil' to fry

in in this regard, but butter is the safest all around. Actually Udo

says to use water and that's really fool proof. Of course, I don't

want to be a freak about any of this. I will still saute with olive

oil when the urge strikes me!!

Astra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ok some of you said that you do not use olive oil

to

> > > cook

> > > > > with because

> > > > > > it becomes toxic and i called EAS and they also told me

the

> > > > > samething. What

> > > > > > do you use to stir fry or cook with. If butter what kind

is

> > > good

> > > > > and how much

> > > > > > of it?

[Guest guest]

astramari02 wrote:

> Carolyn, I'm the exact same way. I don't know about hard scientific

> evidence, I'm no scientist...that's for sure. I am a big

> fan/believer in Udo Erasmus' information and studies. You can read

> his articles at this site...

>

> http://www.udoerasmus.com

>

> There's a link to articles, I don't have time to look it up as I'm

> home alone with my newborn and 5YO...whoa is me!! LOL

>

> Pretty fascinating stuff. I think you're right about the toxicity

> being brought on when it smokes. Olive oil is the best 'oil' to fry

> in in this regard, but butter is the safest all around. Actually Udo

> says to use water and that's really fool proof. Of course, I don't

> want to be a freak about any of this. I will still saute with olive

> oil when the urge strikes me!!

>

> Astra

Do you have any information from sites that don't profit off people avoiding

cooking oil?

Serenity

[Guest guest]

I knew someone would bring this up. Yes, there are other sources of

information, this is not 'new' news. I'll try and find time to look

them up, but anyone can do that on their own.

Is anyone holding it against Bill that he's helping people

and turning a profit? I don't think so. Why have those standards

for someone else? He's a researcher and developer who has created a

product to help people. If he were just in it for the money, he

would have just started a meth lab and called it a day. I mean, I

don't know the guy personally, but I'm not going to discount his

information simply cause he makes some money. It's not like he's

doing info-mercials or anything.

I have done searches on google for trans fatty acid information and

come up with the same stuff.

Astra

>

> > Carolyn, I'm the exact same way. I don't know about hard

scientific

> > evidence, I'm no scientist...that's for sure. I am a big

> > fan/believer in Udo Erasmus' information and studies. You can read

> > his articles at this site...

> >

> > http://www.udoerasmus.com

> >

> > There's a link to articles, I don't have time to look it up as I'm

> > home alone with my newborn and 5YO...whoa is me!! LOL

> >

> > Pretty fascinating stuff. I think you're right about the toxicity

> > being brought on when it smokes. Olive oil is the best 'oil' to

fry

> > in in this regard, but butter is the safest all around. Actually

Udo

> > says to use water and that's really fool proof. Of course, I

don't

> > want to be a freak about any of this. I will still saute with

olive

> > oil when the urge strikes me!!

> >

> > Astra

>

> Do you have any information from sites that don't profit off people

avoiding

> cooking oil?

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

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Question: From Tony. (Subject: Cooking oils?)

I just ordered your fish oil for the first time and was reading the

latest newsletter and you mentioned in response to someone's question

that canola oil is man made and could be carcinogenic. What kind of

cooking oil do you recommend and why?

Answer: From Nicolien.

For cooking, grape seed oil is the one of choice as it does not get

converted to hydrogenated forms when it is heated. For salads,

cold-pressed extra virgin olive oil or flax seed oil are the best. None

of these oils have any potential carcinogenic properties.

[Guest guest]

Throw in coconut oil for baking and frying as well. One of the best out

there.

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

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Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself.

Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

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Question: From Tony. (Subject: Cooking oils?)

I just ordered your fish oil for the first time and was reading the

latest newsletter and you mentioned in response to someone's question

that canola oil is man made and could be carcinogenic. What kind of

cooking oil do you recommend and why?

Answer: From Nicolien.

For cooking, grape seed oil is the one of choice as it does not get

converted to hydrogenated forms when it is heated. For salads,

cold-pressed extra virgin olive oil or flax seed oil are the best. None

of these oils have any potential carcinogenic properties.

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