Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Elena, Hi, the Hope group and the doctors working with them do not agree with not taking [DEFINITELY AVOID] Co-Q10, Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Selenium. They promote taking these....just not in very large doses. I take all of those along with my Cantron. Just things like Plavix [sp] and other blood thinners...these inhibit the Cantron. The Cantron just doesn't work when taking. I am finishing up on DVD from the Hope meetings with testimonies. Plus the interview with the inventor of the Cantron. I do have some info posted on the cantron site in the files. I also have books on cantron. I plan on mailing some of these out. I have been sending to several on the PC group. Cantron doesn't work for everyone...as paw paw doesn't work for everyone. or Essiac tea. I took two bottles of essiac tea for detox and did not see much when retested. The Hope group of MI also promotes colloidal silver along with a lot of other things. we all need to have several treatments that do work in case one doesn't work for you or your family member. But talking to several people that have has success with one treatment it may be better trying that first... when I say several, Andy has helped over 6,000 people personally. I like to get to the monthly meetings when I can just to get several of these supplements you mention at wholesale price. Remember your diet and your mental health plays a big role and getting the cancer waste out of your body it so important! Blessings Debbie PS how are you doing on your protocol? Elena wrote: Hi Leonard, .....ATP depletion was associated with cancer, it was postulated as THE carcinogenic state of the body. ....where it pertains to ATP ... (potassium-rich diets and vegetable juices) will definitely increase its production. Most of the things on the Cantron " avoid " list fall into this category as well. but > in the Cantron and Protocel literature I've read, it's said only to > DEFINITELY AVOID Co-Q10, Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Selenium, Essiac, Ozone [and > ellagic acid]...should probably [also avoid]....IP-6, L-Carnitine...Flax Oil > combined with Cottage Cheese[but that's disputed], Glutathione, Glutamine, > Sea Silver, Lipoic Acid...Creatine, Taurine, Acetylcystein, L-Cystein, > Ginseng " (www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml, pp. 54-57); 714-X, > hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver > (www.alternativecancer.us/order_c.htm#Avoid). The ebooklet also has a long > list of cancer-healing supplements compatible w/Protocel. That list played a role in my decision, whether right or wrong, to bypass Protocel. It looked like one would have to use it as a monotherapy and invest a lot of trust into it. This seemed too risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi Debbie, thanks for the information. I do like your approach. > PS how are you doing on your protocol? I'm the caretaker. After three years of " alternative " protocols (just about everything anyone has ever heard of... with very few exceptions), we're going " complementary. " Hodgkin's lymphoma (about 1% of all cancers and therefore very poorly explored in the " alternative " field) comes complete with an informational gap -- non-mainstream approaches geared _specifically_ towards this " very different " cancer are nonexistent; every single " alternative " therapy anyone with Hodgkin's ever claimed success with, we tried, and none yielded any long term benefits in our case; most were useless short term as well. I can contribute a long list titled " Touted Therapies That Don't Work With Advanced Hodgkin's Lymphoma. " (Interestingly enough, people are seldom interested to hear that something doesn't work... although " what doesn't work " is, just like " what works, " potentially life-saving information!) So now... customized mainstream. After three years of rather discouraging encounters with MDs of the garden variety, we settled on a fairly open-minded onco guy who doesn't think we're nuts, is willing to customize his cookbook recipes in response to our concerns and my ORD ( " obssessive research disorder " ;-) ), and said something when we were discussing our non-mainstream adventures that, for us, settled it: " Unlike some of my colleagues, I have learned that I don't have all the answers. " I will take honesty over " positive " or " negative " or any other " designer " attitude anytime. If anyone thinks I'm a " renegade " for " switching sides, " my " excuse " is that, e.g., Ralph Moss et al who were my own inroads into the " alternative cancer field " do consider Hodgkin's to be one of the few cancers that do indeed do well with mainstream treatments; and a lesser one is that I practice what I preach: NO allegiance to a belief system. Anything, mainstream or alternative, everyone, mainstream or alternative -- better work and work hard and yield _results_! -- or else get flushed down the toilet, whether humbly or indignantly or kicking and screaming. Thanks for listening! Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 From: " Fox American Eskimo Dogs " <foxeskimo@...> << Hope group and the doctors working with them do not agree with not taking [DEFINITELY AVOID] Co-Q10, Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Selenium. They promote taking these....just not in very large doses. I take all of those along with my Cantron. Just things like Plavix [sp] and other blood thinners...these inhibit the Cantron.>> That's great info, Debbie! Thanks! Please continue to post (or email me privately) any other guidelines re: what to take and not take w/Cantron. > The Cantron just doesn't work when taking. Not sure what you're saying? > I took two bottles of essiac tea for detox and did not see much My impression is that it's good for detox but isn't 1 of the more effective supplements for cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Elena, I Had to read it twice. I understand. The frist gary null book I got he stated the Chemo only works on two kinds of cancer, maybe three. I do know that a lot of people use Cantron as complementary also and dont get sick as much or lose hair. Cantron is an antioxidant. I do not know how much vit. C the doctors state you can take with Cantron. I will have to watch the videos again and write it down. I thought really hard when they found a pylop very large in my gallbladder if I should have it out or not. I had it out. I took Cantron and every other thing I could think that would work with Cantron for three weeks before because I didn't want to hear it was cancer when they took it out. We all have cancer. You have to try to keep your body healthy enough to fight it. Just hearing the words " its cancer " can stress you out so much you can't fight it. Prevention is best. Dr Maras says there is three places you never want to do radiation - the brain, lungs and pancreas. Otherwise, they will tell you can do radiation to give the Cantron time to work. Oh, my husband's cousin was found to have Hodgkin's lymphoma this summer. I gave them dvd's about Cantron. My mom's friend with lung cancer was doing the Cantron but would not get off the Plavix and after the emergency surgery, he bled to death. Someone on the pc group told us when her father was in the hospital for his swelling leggs that she was told when you have cancer your heart will pull blood from your arms, leggs and brain to keep pumping. Some doctors tell you things and others dont tell you anything. Blessings Debbie me2youlink wrote: Hi Debbie, thanks for the information. I do like your approach. > PS how are you doing on your protocol? I'm the caretaker. After three years of " alternative " protocols (just about everything anyone has ever heard of... with very few exceptions), we're going " complementary. " Hodgkin's lymphoma (about 1% of all cancers and therefore very poorly explored in the " alternative " field) comes complete with an informational gap -- non-mainstream approaches geared _specifically_ towards this " very different " cancer are nonexistent; every single " alternative " therapy anyone with Hodgkin's ever claimed success with, we tried, and none yielded any long term benefits in our case; most were useless short term as well. I can contribute a long list titled " Touted Therapies That Don't Work With Advanced Hodgkin's Lymphoma. " (Interestingly enough, people are seldom interested to hear that something doesn't work... although " what doesn't work " is, just like " what works, " potentially life-saving information!) So now... customized mainstream. After three years of rather discouraging encounters with MDs of the garden variety, we settled on a fairly open-minded onco guy who doesn't think we're nuts, is willing to customize his cookbook recipes in response to our concerns and my ORD ( " obssessive research disorder " ;-) ), and said something when we were discussing our non-mainstream adventures that, for us, settled it: " Unlike some of my colleagues, I have learned that I don't have all the answers. " I will take honesty over " positive " or " negative " or any other " designer " attitude anytime. If anyone thinks I'm a " renegade " for " switching sides, " my " excuse " is that, e.g., Ralph Moss et al who were my own inroads into the " alternative cancer field " do consider Hodgkin's to be one of the few cancers that do indeed do well with mainstream treatments; and a lesser one is that I practice what I preach: NO allegiance to a belief system. Anything, mainstream or alternative, everyone, mainstream or alternative -- better work and work hard and yield _results_! -- or else get flushed down the toilet, whether humbly or indignantly or kicking and screaming. Thanks for listening! Elena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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