Re: Important Reflections about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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>Source: http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/presidentsMsg0402.html

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>PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE:

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>Important Reflections about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

>

>by Guest Columnist Alan Cocchetto ©2002

>

> I am often reminded about the crucial fight we are undertaking

>when it comes to understanding, validating, and finding truthful

>answers about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome(ME). Numerous phone calls,

>emails, and conversations with seriously ill patients have prompted me

>to write this column for the National CFIDS Foundation to again expose

>what I, as well as many others, believe this disease to truly be.

>

> Let me begin by taking an excerpt from a CFS patient's medical

>documentation. These documents came from her own doctor; one who

>works at a large university

>medical center. I have permission to reprint these documents but will

>change her name to Ms. X. She has undergone extensive testing by two

>world reknown

>ME/CFIDS physicians who will no longer see her! She was recently seen

>by a large university based hospital - one that receives numerous

>grants from the NIH to fund their scientists! The university's

>evaluation for this ME/CFIDS patient gets to the point and illuminates

>the true horror that this disease actually is! Below is the patient's

>actual

>evaluation quoted as written except with [underline] added to

>accentuate critical information:

>

> I have been asked to evaluate Ms. X for follow-up of her

>idiopathic CD4 lymphopenia. Ms. X has a long and complicated history

>which has gone on for at least 10 years. She has documented CD4

>levels of less than 100 since at least 1994. Recent evaluation in my

>laboratory showed a CD4 count to be 50. She has marked increase CD38

>activation on her CD8 cells, complete expression of fas (CD95) antigen

>on all her CD4 cells, and shows evidence of marked depletion of her

>CD8 positive cells. In addition, she has had auto-immune hemolytic

>anemia, splenectomy, and herpes zoster. By all accounts, Ms. X has a

>T cell phenotype which is indistinguishable from the acquired

>immunodeficiency syndrome.

Of course when anyone questions the medical establishment's beloved HIV = AIDS =

DEATH hypothesis, they claim that there are no documented AIDS cases that are

not HIV posative. They get away with it by calling all non-HIV cases of AIDS

" CFIDS.

See <http://www.sumeria.net/aids/aidscfs.html>

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Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

[Guest guest]

Hi Neil, ...and ,

....oh, there you are! I was hoping you would pop in and give us a

boo. There was a new girl, , who recently was inquiring about

colon cancer. I hope you saw her post and were able to make contact

with her. If not, be sure to post your link here so she can read your

story.

, if you are out there, what I would suggest is that you go to

your local book store or library to the alternative health section and

look at the books available for colon cancer and cancer in general.

You will find a wealth of information in these books that a group such

as this would not be able to provide. (Not to say that we can't help,

but to get a program going, I would suggest looking at different books

that are available.) By the way, welcome to the group. :-)

Neil, with respect to the AIDS/CFIDS article, I think that the main

point was that, at least for a subgroup of individuals, what we are

really dealing with here is CANCER. (Although I do not want, for one

moment, to minimize the AIDS/CFIDS connection.) I think that it is

high time that we start calling CFIDS what it really is--CANCER--so

that patients do not have to continue to endure the ridicule and scorn

of their doctors or the medical establishment in general. I think

that it will only be when CFIDS is really recognized for what it is

that proper testing and treatment will be given. (...and I do not

believe that the answer will be found with allopathic medicine.)

Kind regards,

Trudy

From: Neil Jensen <neil@s...>

Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:51 pm

Subject: Re: [ ] Important Reflections about Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome

Of course when anyone questions the medical

establishment's beloved HIV = AIDS = DEATH hypothesis, they claim that

there are no documented AIDS cases that are not HIV posative. They get

away with it by calling all non-HIV cases of AIDS

" CFIDS. "

See <http://www.sumeria.net/aids/aidscfs.html>

[Guest guest]

From one angle Trudy, what you say is true. From another angle, it may behoove

us to see that the whole bureaucratic system is corrupt from top to bottom. It's

not just the cancer establishment. What applies to cancer also applies to AIDS

and CFIDS (and every other disease around). It applies to the food that we eat,

the vaccines that are injected into our children and the cosmetics that we wear.

It is all connected! It seems to me that we must see the whole putrid beast in

order to fully understand it.

If CFIDS is cancer, so is AIDS. The difference between them is the " HIV " status

of the patient as determined by the Western Blot and ELISA tests. The drugs that

they give to AIDS patients are nothing more (nor less) than chemotherapy drugs.

In fact, the nucleoside analogue AZT that is killing AIDS patients was

originally approved as a cancer chemotherapy drug by the FDA but was withdrawn

because it was too toxic. Now they are even talking about giving protease

inhibitors to cancer victims.

BTW, it is not my intention to start an AIDS thread on this list.

>Hi Neil, ...and ,

>

>...oh, there you are! I was hoping you would pop in and give us a

>boo. There was a new girl, , who recently was inquiring about

>colon cancer. I hope you saw her post and were able to make contact

>with her. If not, be sure to post your link here so she can read your

>story.

>

>, if you are out there, what I would suggest is that you go to

>your local book store or library to the alternative health section and

>look at the books available for colon cancer and cancer in general.

>You will find a wealth of information in these books that a group such

>as this would not be able to provide. (Not to say that we can't help,

>but to get a program going, I would suggest looking at different books

>that are available.) By the way, welcome to the group. :-)

>

>Neil, with respect to the AIDS/CFIDS article, I think that the main

>point was that, at least for a subgroup of individuals, what we are

>really dealing with here is CANCER. (Although I do not want, for one

>moment, to minimize the AIDS/CFIDS connection.) I think that it is

>high time that we start calling CFIDS what it really is--CANCER--so

>that patients do not have to continue to endure the ridicule and scorn

>of their doctors or the medical establishment in general. I think

>that it will only be when CFIDS is really recognized for what it is

>that proper testing and treatment will be given. (...and I do not

>believe that the answer will be found with allopathic medicine.)

>

>Kind regards,

>Trudy

>

>From: Neil Jensen <neil@s...>

>Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:51 pm

>Subject: Re: [ ] Important Reflections about Chronic

>Fatigue Syndrome

>

> Of course when anyone questions the medical

>establishment's beloved HIV = AIDS = DEATH hypothesis, they claim that

>there are no documented AIDS cases that are not HIV posative. They get

>away with it by calling all non-HIV cases of AIDS

> " CFIDS. "

>

> See <http://www.sumeria.net/aids/aidscfs.html>

>

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Neil Jensen: neil@...

HIV plus a terminal illness will kill ya.

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html

[Guest guest]

Hi Neil,

Are we not allowed to talk about AIDS?

I don't know if you remember, I made a post quite awhile ago about the

relationship between AIDS/CFS and other illnesses and cancer. And,

from my studies, I believe that AIDS is cancer (along with CFIDS). As

Dr. Alan Cantwell writes, " Few people understand clearly that AIDS is

a new form of cancer. " (See: http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html).

Other articles by Dr. Cantwell can be found at

http://www.whale.to/c/cantwell_alan.html , with his latest article

being found at

http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/081701ev.htm .)

I would also direct you to Boyd Graves site: (See:

http://www.boydgraves.com/) and his Special Virus Cancer Program flow

chart (http://www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/).

With all of the studying that I have done on CFIDS/AIDS, my research

has led me to conclude that, indeed, with these illnesses we are

dealing with with a new form of CANCER.

Kind regards,

Trudy

From: Neil Jensen <neil@s...>

Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:19 am

Subject: [ ] Re: Important Reflections about Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome

From one angle Trudy, what you say is true. From another angle, it may

behoove

us to see that the whole bureaucratic system is corrupt from top to

bottom. It's not just the cancer establishment. What applies to

cancer also applies to AIDS and CFIDS (and every other disease

around). It applies to the food that we eat, the vaccines that are

injected into our children and the cosmetics that we wear. It is all

connected! It seems to me that we must see the whole putrid beast in

order to fully understand it.

If CFIDS is cancer, so is AIDS. The difference between them is the

" HIV " status of the patient as determined by the Western Blot and

ELISA tests. The drugs that they give to AIDS patients are nothing

more (nor less) than chemotherapy drugs. In fact, the nucleoside

analogue AZT that is killing AIDS patients was originally approved as

a cancer chemotherapy drug by the FDA but was withdrawn because it was

too toxic. Now they are even talking about giving protease inhibitors

to cancer victims.

BTW, it is not my intention to start an AIDS thread on this list.

[Guest guest]

>Hi Neil,

>

>Are we not allowed to talk about AIDS?

Sorry. It seemed to me that your previous post was scolding me for doing just

that on this list. I have no problem with talking about AIDS on this list. My

website has been publishing alternative AIDS information on the Web continuously

since 1992, making it one of the oldest sources of such information on the

Internet. I have received many emails from HIV + individuals thanking me for

saving their lives by providing this information. Of course there has also been

the occasional hate mail accusing me of everything from homophobia to trying to

kill HIV + people by getting them to go off their " meds " .

I do not remember your previous post about AIDS/CFS. I probably tuned it out

because it accepts, a priori, that HIV is the cause of AIDS. I do not believe it

-- and belief is a requirement because HIV has NEVER been proven to exist, let

alone the cause of AIDS. First, HIV has never been isolated. Secondly, as Nobel

Prize-winning scientist Kary Mullis discovered, there is no scientific paper

extant that proves a causal link between HIV and AIDS. Gallo announced at

a Reagan Administration-sponsored press conference that had discovered " the

probable cause of AIDS " : HIV. This was a lie because Luc Montagnier of the

Pasteur Institute in France had sent him the sample upon which this claim was

made. Within a few weeks HIV went from the " probable cause of AIDS " to " HIV, the

virus that causes AIDS " . From that time on, any scientist who questioned the

HIV=AIDS sacred cow was met with ridicule and scorn by his fellows, his funding

dried up. Not one cent has been awarded for research that does not accept the

HIV/AIDS theory as the basis of its methodology.

When Dr. Mullis was trying to find this paper he was met with scorn and ridicule

by the people he asked about it. The usual response was something like " Why

everybody KNOWS that HIV cause AIDS! " . But after nine years of trying to find

the paper, Dr. Mullis concluded that it doesn't exist. To this day it has not

been produced.

I could go on like this for many hours and many pages. Instead i'll let my work

speak for itself -- http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html. I'll end with the

statement that there are multiple causes of AIDS, both environmental and

lifestyle.

>

>I don't know if you remember, I made a post quite awhile ago about the

>relationship between AIDS/CFS and other illnesses and cancer. And,

>from my studies, I believe that AIDS is cancer (along with CFIDS). As

>Dr. Alan Cantwell writes, " Few people understand clearly that AIDS is

>a new form of cancer. " (See: http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html).

>Other articles by Dr. Cantwell can be found at

>http://www.whale.to/c/cantwell_alan.html , with his latest article

>being found at

>http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/081701ev.htm .)

>

>I would also direct you to Boyd Graves site: (See:

>http://www.boydgraves.com/) and his Special Virus Cancer Program flow

>chart (http://www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/).

>

>With all of the studying that I have done on CFIDS/AIDS, my research

>has led me to conclude that, indeed, with these illnesses we are

>dealing with with a new form of CANCER.

>

>Kind regards,

>Trudy

--

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Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

HIV plus a terminal illness will kill ya.

http://www.sumeria.net/aids/

[Guest guest]

Hi Neil,

Good grief... I wouldn't scold your for posting anything that

appeared to be off topic for a cancer list, because I think quite

broadly on health issues. ...I'm a firm believer in thinking outside

of the box! ...whatever happened to intellectual freedom!

(...actually, from my research, I believe the topics of AIDS/CFIDS are

quite " on topic " for a cancer list, anyway.)

I'm familiar with the arguments put forward by Duesberg/Mullis.

However, I'm more inclined to believe that there is some sort of

infectious agent(s) involved, although I do not exclude the importance

of environmental and lifestyle factors in the equation. I suspect

that mycoplasma is more of a player in AIDS than HIV (although HIV may

be involved in a minor way). I believe that the answer to

AIDS/CFIDS/FM/MCS and other illnesses can be found in The Special

Virus Cancer Program Flow Chart. My own personal feelings are that

all of these scientists who are involved in AIDS/CANCER research

(Gallo, Montangier, Duesberg, Nicholson) are all giving us a little

bit of truth (so as not to have their reputations completely

tarnished), but not the whole story. I believe there is a lot of spin

going on for public consumption. From my research, it is my

understanding that these guys all know each other and all work

together.

I don't know if you saw the latest of how Gallo and Montagnier have

supposedly now kissed and made up. Quite frankly, I think it is all

one big joke.

Scientists Form International AIDS Research Team

FLORENCE, Italy (Reuters Health) - Shaking hands at a meeting in Rome

on Monday, two formerly feuding leaders in HIV research confirmed they

will co-direct labs in the US and Rome in an effort to accelerate the

development of AIDS vaccines

for Africa and other impoverished nations.

http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & cid=594 & u=/nm/20020319/hl_nm/aids_re\

search_1

....anyway, as you stated earlier there is a lot of politics involved

in all illness. And I believe that a lot of us have been duped by the

media and scientific spin.

Kind regards,

Trudy

From: Neil Jensen <neil@s...>

Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:09 am

Subject: [ ] Re: Important Reflections about Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome

Sorry. It seemed to me that your previous post was scolding me for

doing just that on this list. I have no problem with talking about

AIDS on this list. My website has been publishing alternative AIDS

information on the Web continuously since 1992, making it one of the

oldest sources of such information on the Internet. I have received

many emails from HIV + individuals thanking me for saving their lives

by providing this information. Of course there has also been the

occasional hate mail accusing me of everything from homophobia to

trying to kill HIV + people by getting them to go off their " meds " .

I do not remember your previous post about AIDS/CFS. I probably tuned

it out because it accepts, a priori, that HIV is the cause of AIDS. I

do not believe it -- and belief is a requirement because HIV has NEVER

been proven to exist, let alone the cause of AIDS. First, HIV has

never been isolated. Secondly, as Nobel Prize-winning scientist Kary

Mullis discovered, there is no scientific paper extant that proves a

causal link between HIV and AIDS. Gallo announced at a Reagan

administration-sponsored press conference that had discovered " the

probable cause of AIDS " : HIV. This was a lie because Luc Montagnier of

the Pasteur Institute in France had sent him the sample upon which

this claim was made. Within a few weeks HIV went from the " probable

cause of AIDS " to " HIV, the virus that causes AIDS " . From that time

on, any scientist who questioned the HIV=AIDS sacred cow was met with

ridicule and scorn by his fellows, his funding dried up. Not one cent

has been awarded for research that does not accept the HIV/AIDS theory

as the basis of its methodology.

When Dr. Mullis was trying to find this paper he was met with scorn

and ridicule by the people he asked about it. The usual response was

something like " Why everybody KNOWS that HIV cause AIDS! " . But after

nine years of trying to find the paper, Dr. Mullis concluded that it

doesn't exist. To this day it has not been produced.

I could go on like this for many hours and many pages. Instead i'll

let my work speak for itself -- http://www.sumeria.net/aids.html. I'll

end with the statement that there are multiple causes of AIDS, both

environmental and lifestyle.