Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Hopefully this info is to just get the " other side " of the story. Soy does not cause all these problems because everyone eating tofu in Asian countries would be falling over from eating it, right??? However, the thought of ADM selling genetically altered soybeans made with the Roundup pesticide " gene " makes me furious. Do you want to be eating pesticide???? Buy non-GMO soy products. Elaine wrote: > Subject: [HH_Newsletter] Soy Research on the News > > Subject: Soy Research on the News > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/herald.htm > > *§ Health_and_Healing_Newsletter §* " Health & Medical Conspiracies " > HH_Newsletter > Subscribe:......... HH_Newsletter-subscribe > digest emails:..... HH_Newsletter-digest > Individual emails:. HH_Newsletter-normal > To unsubscribe:.... HH_Newsletter-unsubscribe > To post send for approval to:...HH_Newsletter > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe > > **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, > any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 You can not buy NON GM soy in the US, just go to your favorite store and purchase the organic soy and try to sprout it, guess what, it will not sprout, just try it and see for yourself. Elaine Soy Research on the News > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/herald.htm > > *§ Health_and_Healing_Newsletter §* " Health & Medical Conspiracies " > HH_Newsletter > Subscribe:......... HH_Newsletter-subscribe > digest emails:..... HH_Newsletter-digest > Individual emails:. HH_Newsletter-normal > To unsubscribe:.... HH_Newsletter-unsubscribe > To post send for approval to:...HH_Newsletter > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe > > **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, > any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Elaine - do you have an explanation/source why GM seeds don't sprout? I bought parsley seed which didn't sprout. Regards At 3:45 Uhr +0200 17.07.2002, Elaine wrote: >You can not buy NON GM soy in the US, just go to your favorite store and >purchase the organic soy and try to sprout it, guess what, it will not >sprout, just try it and see for yourself. > >Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 If it is true that Non GM soy is not available in the US, that is disturbing indeed. What about " organic " Mori-Nu Tofu that comes in the box at health food stores? One hears about Archer s Midlands efforts to grow soy and other agricultural products in Cuba, which has had all organic farming due to inability to pay for pesticides after the Soviets stopped giving support. Supposedly, Cuba has become very organic minded and will not allow pesticides, but I don't know how you can stop these trends. I bought some broccoli seeds from Sun Organics, which is supposed to be a good company. At least half of them did not sprout, so I had to go back to buying them from the healthfood store, which are costly and not even organic. Maybe they didn't sprout due to age or something? NS Re: [ ] Soy Research on the News Elaine - do you have an explanation/source why GM seeds don't sprout? I bought parsley seed which didn't sprout. Regards At 3:45 Uhr +0200 17.07.2002, Elaine wrote: >You can not buy NON GM soy in the US, just go to your favorite store and >purchase the organic soy and try to sprout it, guess what, it will not >sprout, just try it and see for yourself. > >Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I read it on one of the web pages, if I find it I will post it. That is what Monsanto does so you will have to buy seed from them again, their GE stuff will not sprout. You may want to do a search on GE, I believe that is how I found it. Elaine Re: [ ] Soy Research on the News Elaine - do you have an explanation/source why GM seeds don't sprout? I bought parsley seed which didn't sprout. Regards At 3:45 Uhr +0200 17.07.2002, Elaine wrote: >You can not buy NON GM soy in the US, just go to your favorite store and >purchase the organic soy and try to sprout it, guess what, it will not >sprout, just try it and see for yourself. > >Elaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 kazsu offered the following clever reasoning: >Hopefully this info is to just get the " other side " of the story. Soy does not cause all these problems because everyone eating tofu in Asian countries would be falling over from eating it, right??? Wrong, but thanks for the opportunity to exercise my sarcastic side. I recommend that you just hope a lot and believe what you want to believe! Don't bother to get the facts from both sides, weigh the evidence and make an informed decision. For your own peace of mind, don't concern yourself with the sources of funding for soy studies with a positive spin! Doing these things might cause your brain to overheat -- a thoroughly unpleasant experience. And whatever you do, stay away from the following Web pages: <http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/articles/magic_bean.html> <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html> <http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/> Also, if you happen upon the newly published work of Dr. Lon White at the Pacific Health Research Institute in Honolulu while cruising around the Web, grab that mouse and hit the " Back " button in your browser ASAP! It suggests that regular consumption of tofu over many years during middle age was associated with early dementia or, what Dr. White terms, " accelerated brain aging. " That White guy must be come kind of Communist pinko nut. >However, the thought of ADM selling genetically altered soybeans made with the >Roundup pesticide " gene " makes me furious. Do you want to be eating pesticide???? Buy non-GMO soy products. Hey, you're batting 500! That ought to be good enough to satisfy anybody. -- -- Neil Jensen: sumeria.net The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Soy serves as meat and milk for a new generation of politically correct vegetarians. " Sally Fallon and G. Enig, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 Neil, You can laugh all you want. How many advanced cancer patients have YOU cured? NS Re: [ ] Soy Research on the News >Elaine, > >As you did not respond to my recent post/question as to whether Morinu " Organic " Tofu is GE (GM) or not, I did a search and found this webpage http://www.morinu.com/product/GMO.html which asks the following questions: > > " What is GMO? And why is all Mori-Nu Tofu made exclusively with Non GMO soybeans and all Mori-Nu Creamy Soups made exclusively with Non GMO ingredients? " > >So either what you said below is inaccurate, or Morinu is lying in a very public way. Maybe you could clarify. > >In the meantime, those of us who are trying to get our unhealthy estrogen (estradiol) levels down by using soy products may be ok with Morinu tofu after all. I am having some today. :- And your unhealthy phytoestrogen levels up? ROFL! -- -- Neil Jensen: neil@... The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing has happened. " -- Winston Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 Silly me, i thought that we were having a discussion about soy. I do not claim to be able to cure cancer. However, having cancer, i have done a lot of research on nutrition and nutritional myths. Modern soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, compounds that mimic estrogen in the body. Like many other endocrine disruptors, phytoestrogens disrupt thyroid function. The damage can be permanent but obviously the soy industry thinks that goitre and hypothyroidism don't qualify as evidence of harm! Do you know what phytoestrogens are? Do you know that ADM applied to the FDA to have them given GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) status, and withdrew their request because of the mountain of evidence that the opposition presented showing them to be unsafe? Do you know that the only thing they have been approved for is as binder for making cardboard. Do you know that Recent research has demonstrated that chemical compounds found in soy, specifically phytoestrogens, can have a number of effects on male health including decreasing prostate gland weight, lower testosterone levels, along with inducing significant testicular cell death and necrosis? No, i'm not really laughing at all. >Neil, > >You can laugh all you want. How many advanced cancer patients have YOU cured? > >NS -- -- Neil Jensen: sumeria.net The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Soy serves as meat and milk for a new generation of politically correct vegetarians. " Sally Fallon and G. Enig, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 We *are* talking about soy, indeed! I am saying that Dr. Hauser, a cancer specialist who has worked with advanced cancer patients successfully, recommends the use of soy against cancer. On page 296 of his book, he gives two examples of women with breast cancer who were able to lower their problem estrogen, i.e., estradiol, levels dramatically when they began a high soy, high protein diet. I already posted some of his rationale for this, but you would have to read all 11 pages of his new book that touch on the subject to get the rest and a better technical understanding than I can provide at this time. If you don't agree with him, that is your prerogative. However, besides the fact that you have not read his book and effectively rebutted all of his points, I would suspect he has a lot more successful experience working with cancer patients, including advanced cancer patients, than you. His business as a cancer doctor is based on his reputation, and his reputation based on what he says, in his book, at his website (a blurb of which I posted earlier), etc. Why would he stick out his neck to make up a story against the bulk of traditional/alternative viewpoints about soy when his income is derived from a medical practice/reputation he obviously has incentive to protect and uphold? I am sure Dr. Hauser takes all the common objections about goiter, thyroid, etc., into consideration when he recommends soy. Those objections are really nothing new, having been discussed and rather well known, it would seem for quite some time. Rather, I find what Hauser says to be new. Either you are open to it or not, but that is up to you. Regardless of what you believe, the info is out there and I find it credible. NS Re: [ ] Soy Research on the News Silly me, i thought that we were having a discussion about soy. I do not claim to be able to cure cancer. However, having cancer, i have done a lot of research on nutrition and nutritional myths. Modern soy is loaded with phytoestrogens, compounds that mimic estrogen in the body. Like many other endocrine disruptors, phytoestrogens disrupt thyroid function. The damage can be permanent but obviously the soy industry thinks that goitre and hypothyroidism don't qualify as evidence of harm! Do you know what phytoestrogens are? Do you know that ADM applied to the FDA to have them given GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) status, and withdrew their request because of the mountain of evidence that the opposition presented showing them to be unsafe? Do you know that the only thing they have been approved for is as binder for making cardboard. Do you know that Recent research has demonstrated that chemical compounds found in soy, specifically phytoestrogens, can have a number of effects on male health including decreasing prostate gland weight, lower testosterone levels, along with inducing significant testicular cell death and necrosis? No, i'm not really laughing at all. >Neil, > >You can laugh all you want. How many advanced cancer patients have YOU cured? > >NS -- -- Neil Jensen: sumeria.net The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Soy serves as meat and milk for a new generation of politically correct vegetarians. " Sally Fallon and G. Enig, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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