Re: Decreasing ATP and coQ10 and Paw Paw, Graviola

[Guest guest]

I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron and graviola

and such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant

extracts noted decrease ATP.

My question is what other compounds increase ATP? I came across something

yesterday that said NAC should not be used with the above either?

I have placed an order from amazon something another and have also ordered a

technical report on it so hopefully that will shed some light. Will share

what I learn and surely would appreciate any input in the interim. Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

> I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron and

graviola

> and such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant

> extracts noted decrease ATP.

>

> My question is what other compounds increase ATP?

Glutamine, glutathione, whey protein isolate, assorted adaptogens,

potassium-rich diets, vegetable juices, eggs, butter, yogurt, the

Budwig mixes, MSM and other sulphur compounds, fish, fish oil, and so

on... In short, all the good things! It's very hard to design a

therapy that relies on ATP reduction that is not going to leave the

recipient stripped of all the most valuable dietary energy sources for

the whole body rather than " selectively " depriving cancer cells, alas.

Which is why paw paw and graviola work much better in Petri dishes

than in human bodies, and I'm yet to see an " I cured my cancer with

cantron " statement from anyone not selling it.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Elena

I came across something

> yesterday that said NAC should not be used with the above either?

>

> I have placed an order from amazon something another and have also

ordered a

> technical report on it so hopefully that will shed some light. Will

share

> what I learn and surely would appreciate any input in the interim.

Donna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

what is ATP?

donna wrote: I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron

and graviola

and such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant

extracts noted decrease ATP.

My question is what other compounds increase ATP?

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Selenium, Essiac Tea and Ozone Treatments all increase

ATP energy.

Also, IP-6, L-Carnitine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Poly-MVA, Glutathione,

Glutamine, Ginseng, Alpha Lipoic Acid

L-Lipoic Acid, Creatine, Taurine, Acetyl-Cysteine, L-Cysteine, Any

Sulfhydril " antioxidant, 714X treatments, Sea Silver, Homeopathic remedies,

Flazseed Oil Mixed with Cottage cheese, Rife Treatments.

Johanne

From: donna

I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron and

graviola

and such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant

extracts noted decrease ATP.

My question is what other compounds increase ATP?

[Guest guest]

so donna , what about taking the cq10 separately from the paw paw ?

donna wrote: I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron

and graviola

and such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant

extracts noted decrease ATP.

My question is what other compounds increase ATP?

[Guest guest]

I read that Paw Paw tablets should be taken every 6 hours and the tea that we

make every 4 hours. I think that you would be decreasing energy into the cell

and then increasing it with the antioxidants so in my humble opinion - and only

guessing as usual - I would say not to. Maybe take paw paw full on for a few

months and then all the other things full on after that. If anyone has an

opinion I would be glad to hear.

Toni

--- pscat meow wrote:

so donna , what about taking the cq10 separately from the paw paw ?

donna wrote:

I only know that CoQ10 should not be used with paw paw, cantron and graviola and

such, I hope I get this right, COQ10 increases ATP and the plant extracts noted

decrease ATP. My question is what other compounds increase ATP?

[Guest guest]

Hi there Toni

I have the same problem diet, firstly I live on an island, and very little

produce except corn for cows pototoes, kale very basic.

So I dont eat very well, yes we have a supermarket, more like a 7 / 11. As

the goods here are not so promising I got sick of the green raw food diet as I

was totally suppressed and very unhappy, But then I got a book from a friend of

mine for xmas

And wow I have found the answer. The book is called the x factor diet by

Kenton

It allows you almost everything under the sun but with the aim to make you

healthy and vital again.

Do yourself a favour and let your friend read this book. I am a new person.

warmest regards

Odette

Toni s wrote:

Hi Chris. I am in Newcastle NSW. My friend has had breast cancer for 15 years

but this last bout we found out about November before last. During the last

year she has taken graviola and a lot of CoQ10 amongst other things. She doesnt

stick to a good diet and drinks alcohol and coffee. I cant get her to stop so

we have to work around that. She just lost her husband and all the stress I

think has made things worse. She was so bad I thought she was going to die as

she had water around the lung and had to get it drained a couple of times.

However she has been taking paw paw tea seriously for the last month and has

noted a dramatic improvement. The fluid has not built up again ( may be because

she has infrared saunas every day) and she has noticed some nodules she had in

her neck have disappeared. The last two weeks she has added Transfer Factor

Advanced. Also she has not had to take painkillers for the last week. She is

pretty happy about that. I read that the two things you

can combine with paw paw are proteolitic enzymes (she is taking Vitalzym and

Serrepatase) and colustrum (Transfer Factor). I think also Artemisin but we

havent got onto that yet. I think it is great because it is a fairly cheap

regime and it works well with her not being good with her diet. Well its

probably the best thing anyway. I would like to see her have a better diet. If

you want to ring me my number is 02 49 341555.

Toni