placebo, hypnosis, and cancer

[Guest guest]

Loren didn't mention one of the most important of placebos -- the

god-like physician. Unfortunately the government-licensed,

guild-sanctioned conventional physician debases his own powers by

debilitating the patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and

radiation; by sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they

will die; by ignoring the psychological importance of ritual,

anticipation, and participation; by deriding a patient's queries

about " unproven " approaches; and by making themselves professionally

and humanly unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has

there been a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive

outcome -- but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive

and miserable death.

At 02:57 PM 5/22/2006, Loren Parks wrote:

>A shortcoming of all these cancer groups is they avoid any mention of a

>psychological cause for cancers. Yet there are people getting well by

>psychotherapy (placebo), hypnosis (placebo), religion (a placebo), herbs

>(mostly placebo)visualization (a placebo), EFT (a placebo) and the ritual

>and work of juicing and exotic diets.

>

>I don't mean to say all cancers have a beginning in the emotions, but it is

>for sure that a lot of them do. If you query cancer patients with " Did you

>ever want to die? " it is surprising how many will own up to that wish at one

>time. The subconscious gets programmed in a period of high emotion. And that

>program often runs to completion, even tho the person has changed his mind.

>The trick is to find the program and reverse it. Some therapists, often

>hypnotists, are doing that.

>

>One experience I had was with a woman in my group who went to the

>Philippines for " psychic surgery. " The surgery was totally phony, but her

>inoperable breast cancer healed and I followed her for 10 to 15 years and

>she was OK, no problem. Another I did therapy on, I found the emotional

>upset and took it out. While she did some other things, she credited me with

>the cure.

>

>Bottom line is, there are a bunch of healing methods. MOST involve a

>ritual, as mine does. Some require a change of attitude. But the answers are

>not entirely in drugs, chemo, surgery and radiation. Other factors can play

>a part, even a dominant part.

>

>Loren Parks

[Guest guest]

<<Unfortunately the government-licensed,

guild-sanctioned conventional physician debases his own powers by

debilitating the patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and

radiation; by sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they

will die; by ignoring the psychological importance of ritual,

anticipation, and participation; by deriding a patient's queries

about " unproven " approaches; and by making themselves professionally

and humanly unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has

there been a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive

outcome -- but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive

and miserable death.>>

Very true. I don't think my boss would argue a bit with that.

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[Guest guest]

I must say , I believe our foods are our fighters , and our minds the healers ,

what you say here has so much credence , bless you !

VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote: Loren didn't mention one of the most

important of placebos -- the god-like physician. Unfortunately the

government-licensed,guild-sanctioned conventional physician debases his own

powers by debilitating the patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and

radiation; by sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven " approaches; and

by making themselves professionally and humanly unavailable to those who are

marked for death. Never has there been a time when a physician could so easily

affect a positive outcome -- but instead exercises his prowess to force an

expensive and miserable death.

[Guest guest]

On January 17th 1995 my wife was told by her doctor that she had about 3 months

more to live. She died on April 16th of that year. That's the power of Nocebo -

the negative form of placebo.

VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote: Loren didn't mention one of the most

important of placebos -- the god-like physician. Unfortunately the

government-licensed,guild-sanctioned conventional physician debases his own

powers by debilitating the patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and

radiation; by sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven " approaches; and

by making themselves professionally and humanly unavailable to those who are

marked for death. Never has there been a time when a physician could so easily

affect a positive outcome -- but instead exercises his prowess to force an

expensive and miserable death.

[Guest guest]

There have been studies that show that most physicians overestimate

how much time a person has left to live. The doctor's death warrant

is so dispiriting that most people just give up. The doctor becomes

more of a problem than the cancer. Perhaps a productive

visualization exercise would be the image of throttling the

nocebo-mongering doctor.

At 05:13 AM 5/23/2006, jonathan chamberlain wrote:

>On January 17th 1995 my wife was told by her doctor that she had

>about 3 months more to live. She died on April 16th of that year.

>That's the power of Nocebo - the negative form of placebo.

>

>VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote: Loren didn't mention one of

>the most important of placebos -- the god-like

>physician. Unfortunately the government-licensed,guild-sanctioned

>conventional physician debases his own powers by debilitating the

>patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and radiation; by

>sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

>ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

>participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven "

>approaches; and by making themselves professionally and humanly

>unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has there been

>a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive outcome --

>but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive and miserable death.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There have been studies that show that most physicians overestimate

how much time a person has left to live. The doctor's death warrant

is so dispiriting that most people just give up. The doctor becomes

more of a problem than the cancer. Perhaps a productive

visualization exercise would be the image of throttling the

nocebo-mongering doctor.

At 05:13 AM 5/23/2006, jonathan chamberlain wrote:

>On January 17th 1995 my wife was told by her doctor that she had

>about 3 months more to live. She died on April 16th of that year.

>That's the power of Nocebo - the negative form of placebo.

>

>VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote: Loren didn't mention one of

>the most important of placebos -- the god-like

>physician. Unfortunately the government-licensed,guild-sanctioned

>conventional physician debases his own powers by debilitating the

>patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and radiation; by

>sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

>ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

>participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven "

>approaches; and by making themselves professionally and humanly

>unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has there been

>a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive outcome --

>but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive and miserable death.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am in total agreement. In 1991 my son, at the age of 13, was diagnosed with

terminal brain cancer. The doctors told me he had 3 months to live. I did not

share this information with my son. He did not receive chemo or radiation, he

received alternative treatment's. One we did together. He imagined playing pac

man, and they were destroying the cancer cells, we did this about 3 times a day.

He has been cancer free for over 12 years. He is a very healthy, happy,

married, successful young man today. It works!!!

vGammill <vgammill@...> wrote:

There have been studies that show that most physicians overestimate

how much time a person has left to live. The doctor's death warrant

is so dispiriting that most people just give up. The doctor becomes

more of a problem than the cancer. Perhaps a productive

visualization exercise would be the image of throttling the

nocebo-mongering doctor.

At 05:13 AM 5/23/2006, jonathan chamberlain wrote:

>On January 17th 1995 my wife was told by her doctor that she had

>about 3 months more to live. She died on April 16th of that year.

>That's the power of Nocebo - the negative form of placebo.

>

>VGammill <vgammill@...> wrote: Loren didn't mention one of

>the most important of placebos -- the god-like

>physician. Unfortunately the government-licensed,guild-sanctioned

>conventional physician debases his own powers by debilitating the

>patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and radiation; by

>sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

>ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

>participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven "

>approaches; and by making themselves professionally and humanly

>unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has there been

>a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive outcome --

>but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive and miserable death.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I once told a doctor who was eagerly dispensing a few tons of nocebo

free of charge, " You know, YOU can die too. Suddenly, and violently.

It happens. It can happen to you. It is LIKELY to happen to you. I

am very intuitive, and I have this premonition... "

I said it very sadly, with compassion and regret.

Loved the effect.

Elena

Loren didn't mention one of

> >the most important of placebos -- the god-like

> >physician. Unfortunately the government-licensed,guild-sanctioned

> >conventional physician debases his own powers by debilitating the

> >patient's immune function with most chemotherapy and radiation; by

> >sabotaging treatments by telling patients when they will die; by

> >ignoring the psychological importance of ritual, anticipation, and

> >participation; by deriding a patient's queries about " unproven "

> >approaches; and by making themselves professionally and humanly

> >unavailable to those who are marked for death. Never has there been

> >a time when a physician could so easily affect a positive outcome --

> >but instead exercises his prowess to force an expensive and

miserable death.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You are so right and that goes for a lot more doctor dx's than just cancer. I

find the influence doctors have over their patients surreal at the least.

Gayla

vgammill writes:

> There have been studies that show that most physicians overestimate

> how much time a person has left to live. The doctor's death warrant

> is so dispiriting that most people just give up. The doctor becomes

> more of a problem than the cancer. Perhaps a productive

> visualization exercise would be the image of throttling the

> nocebo-mongering doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Elena,

You just made my day. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing and freaked out

my cat who had been stubbornly trying to share the chair with me.

Gayla

me2youlink writes:

> I once told a doctor who was eagerly dispensing a few tons of nocebo

> free of charge, " You know, YOU can die too. Suddenly, and violently.

> It happens. It can happen to you. It is LIKELY to happen to you. I

> am very intuitive, and I have this premonition... "

> I said it very sadly, with compassion and regret. Loved the effect.

> Elena