Re: denial ,ignorance or stubborness??? (Vent and very very long)

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Thanks

I appreciate I have some helaing to do of my own!

P

Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or stubborness??? (Vent and

very very long)

> This is probably not what you're looking for but I would strongly

recommend

> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or tape. It has changed my

life

> for the better and if you are willing to listen to what she says it will

help

> you and allow you to more effectively work with your sister.

>

>

> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

> >

> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who (now 36) is a junk food

> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and bones. She has " responded

> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the expense of her finger

and

> toe

> nails and many side effects during the treatment. She was on the brink of

> death

> before she started this last chemo (April 2003) because I could not

convince

> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold! Her GP assisted in this by

> missing the metz completely.

> >

> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for her " and her food

addiction

> means she is incapable of changing her diet (she's still on diet coke and

low

> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat - from years of failed

weight

> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on most of the weight she

lost

> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

> >

> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs who tell her what she wants

to

> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify her diet/nutrition and

try

> some alt treatments even to compliment what they are doing etc and they

> tell me

> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's dying anyway) and the

don't

> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give her meds. She does not

> understand its palliative care and each visit the Drs giver her " more good

> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc she would do it - I have

> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she didn't even last a week

trying

> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She refuses to follow a " cancer

> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently when she has failed at it

for

> the

> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

> >

> >She says she does not want to know how long she may have and I have to

> respect

> that (the drs have told me the well published dismal chemo stats). At the

same

> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15 years time esp in relation

to

> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in despair as to what to do as

she

> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want material things like

> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

> >

> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten me as to what might be

going

> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not want to know about cancer

and

> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink (the cancer diet to them

> would be

> like being kept alive on a life support machine - alive but not living). I

> have

> given up on the idea of extending her life but I fear that she will end up

on

> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle drug " herceptin and seems to be

relying

> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease to be effective sooner

or

> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit). Has anyone come across

such

> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release some don't have someone to

show

> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided and has turned her back on

> anything other than what the dr says). In a life and death situ why would

> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just don't get it nor do the

rest

> of the family or any of my friends - are we missing something here?

> >

> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do nothing for someone you love.

> She's my baby sister.

> >

> >P

> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are juicing and eating

organic/vegi

> and

> taking supplements as a result of my sister's disease

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This is probably not what you're looking for but I would strongly recommend

getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or tape. It has changed my life

for the better and if you are willing to listen to what she says it will help

you and allow you to more effectively work with your sister.

At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

>Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

>

>I posted when I first joined about my sister who (now 36) is a junk food

addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and bones. She has " responded

well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the expense of her finger and

toe

nails and many side effects during the treatment. She was on the brink of

death

before she started this last chemo (April 2003) because I could not convince

her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold! Her GP assisted in this by

missing the metz completely.

>

>She says any alternative treatments are " not for her " and her food addiction

means she is incapable of changing her diet (she's still on diet coke and low

fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat - from years of failed weight

watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on most of the weight she lost

within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

>

>She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs who tell her what she wants to

hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify her diet/nutrition and try

some alt treatments even to compliment what they are doing etc and they

tell me

she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's dying anyway) and the don't

believe in it - they can do nothing else but give her meds. She does not

understand its palliative care and each visit the Drs giver her " more good

news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc she would do it - I have

taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she didn't even last a week trying

(the diet was a very gentle introduction). She refuses to follow a " cancer

diet " and has joined weight watchers recently when she has failed at it for

the

last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

>

>She says she does not want to know how long she may have and I have to

respect

that (the drs have told me the well published dismal chemo stats). At the same

time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15 years time esp in relation to

her daughter who is under 10. My family is in despair as to what to do as she

an adult and its her life. She only seems to want material things like

holidays,car etc which we have given her.

>

>I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten me as to what might be going

on in her mind. Her husband says she does not want to know about cancer and

leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink (the cancer diet to them

would be

like being kept alive on a life support machine - alive but not living). I

have

given up on the idea of extending her life but I fear that she will end up on

more chemo soon (she on the " miracle drug " herceptin and seems to be relying

totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease to be effective sooner or

later = the drs don't tell them about that bit). Has anyone come across such

denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release some don't have someone to show

them the alternatives but she HAS been guided and has turned her back on

anything other than what the dr says). In a life and death situ why would

someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just don't get it nor do the rest

of the family or any of my friends - are we missing something here?

>

>Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do nothing for someone you love.

She's my baby sister.

>

>P

>PS On the plus side the rest of family are juicing and eating organic/vegi

and

taking supplements as a result of my sister's disease

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only one we can heal is ourselves. It was a hard lesson for me to learn.

http://www.thework.org/home.html

At 11:34 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

>Thanks

>

>I appreciate I have some helaing to do of my own!

>

>P

> Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or stubborness??? (Vent and

>very very long)

>

>

>> This is probably not what you're looking for but I would strongly

>recommend

>> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or tape. It has changed my

>life

>> for the better and if you are willing to listen to what she says it will

>help

>> you and allow you to more effectively work with your sister.

>>

>>

>> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

>> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

>> >

>> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who (now 36) is a junk food

>> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and bones. She has " responded

>> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the expense of her finger

>and

>> toe

>> nails and many side effects during the treatment. She was on the brink of

>> death

>> before she started this last chemo (April 2003) because I could not

>convince

>> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold! Her GP assisted in this by

>> missing the metz completely.

>> >

>> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for her " and her food

>addiction

>> means she is incapable of changing her diet (she's still on diet coke and

>low

>> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat - from years of failed

>weight

>> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on most of the weight she

>lost

>> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

>> >

>> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs who tell her what she wants

>to

>> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify her diet/nutrition and

>try

>> some alt treatments even to compliment what they are doing etc and they

>> tell me

>> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's dying anyway) and the

>don't

>> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give her meds. She does not

>> understand its palliative care and each visit the Drs giver her " more good

>> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc she would do it - I have

>> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she didn't even last a week

>trying

>> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She refuses to follow a " cancer

>> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently when she has failed at it

>for

>> the

>> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

>> >

>> >She says she does not want to know how long she may have and I have to

>> respect

>> that (the drs have told me the well published dismal chemo stats). At the

>same

>> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15 years time esp in relation

>to

>> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in despair as to what to do as

>she

>> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want material things like

>> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

>> >

>> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten me as to what might be

>going

>> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not want to know about cancer

>and

>> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink (the cancer diet to them

>> would be

>> like being kept alive on a life support machine - alive but not living). I

>> have

>> given up on the idea of extending her life but I fear that she will end up

>on

>> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle drug " herceptin and seems to be

>relying

>> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease to be effective sooner

>or

>> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit). Has anyone come across

>such

>> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release some don't have someone to

>show

>> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided and has turned her back on

>> anything other than what the dr says). In a life and death situ why would

>> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just don't get it nor do the

>rest

>> of the family or any of my friends - are we missing something here?

>> >

>> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do nothing for someone you love.

>> She's my baby sister.

>> >

>> >P

>> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are juicing and eating

>organic/vegi

>> and

>> taking supplements as a result of my sister's disease

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I had a close friend of 30 years who also trusted her

onocoligist totally and was into junk food. I had

breast, neck and lymph cancer at the same time she had

cancer and I did alternative meds and changed my

diet--only did Western medicine for diagnosis tests

and did not tell my doc what I was taking. Even after

she saw my cancer tumors expelling from my body, she

still listened to her doctor--stating he was an

excellent doc in the cancer field. He finally

convinced her to do more chemo--we all tried to

convince her to change her diet and try the herbal

cancer treatments and forget the chemo for awhile.

Needless to say, she listened to her doctor and two

weeks after the last chemo treatment--she died.

Lesson I learned--you can only try to help your fiends

but one has to make their own health choices--right or

wrong.

I can send you photos of my cancer tumors being

expelled if you think it will help convince her

alternatives do work.

Pattie

--- <lh22@...> wrote:

> The only one we can heal is ourselves. It was a hard

> lesson for me to learn.

> http://www.thework.org/home.html

>

>

>

>

>

> At 11:34 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >Thanks

> >

> >I appreciate I have some helaing to do of my own!

> >

> >P

> > Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or

> stubborness??? (Vent and

> >very very long)

> >

> >

> >> This is probably not what you're looking for but

> I would strongly

> >recommend

> >> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or

> tape. It has changed my

> >life

> >> for the better and if you are willing to listen

> to what she says it will

> >help

> >> you and allow you to more effectively work with

> your sister.

> >>

> >>

> >> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

> >> >

> >> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who

> (now 36) is a junk food

> >> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and

> bones. She has " responded

> >> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the

> expense of her finger

> >and

> >> toe

> >> nails and many side effects during the treatment.

> She was on the brink of

> >> death

> >> before she started this last chemo (April 2003)

> because I could not

> >convince

> >> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold!

> Her GP assisted in this by

> >> missing the metz completely.

> >> >

> >> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for

> her " and her food

> >addiction

> >> means she is incapable of changing her diet

> (she's still on diet coke and

> >low

> >> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat

> - from years of failed

> >weight

> >> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on

> most of the weight she

> >lost

> >> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

> >> >

> >> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs

> who tell her what she wants

> >to

> >> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify

> her diet/nutrition and

> >try

> >> some alt treatments even to compliment what they

> are doing etc and they

> >> tell me

> >> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's

> dying anyway) and the

> >don't

> >> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give

> her meds. She does not

> >> understand its palliative care and each visit the

> Drs giver her " more good

> >> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc

> she would do it - I have

> >> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she

> didn't even last a week

> >trying

> >> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She

> refuses to follow a " cancer

> >> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently

> when she has failed at it

> >for

> >> the

> >> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

> >> >

> >> >She says she does not want to know how long she

> may have and I have to

> >> respect

> >> that (the drs have told me the well published

> dismal chemo stats). At the

> >same

> >> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15

> years time esp in relation

> >to

> >> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in

> despair as to what to do as

> >she

> >> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want

> material things like

> >> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

> >> >

> >> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten

> me as to what might be

> >going

> >> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not

> want to know about cancer

> >and

> >> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink

> (the cancer diet to them

> >> would be

> >> like being kept alive on a life support machine -

> alive but not living). I

> >> have

> >> given up on the idea of extending her life but I

> fear that she will end up

> >on

> >> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle

> drug " herceptin and seems to be

> >relying

> >> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease

> to be effective sooner

> >or

> >> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit).

> Has anyone come across

> >such

> >> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release

> some don't have someone to

> >show

> >> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided

> and has turned her back on

> >> anything other than what the dr says). In a life

> and death situ why would

> >> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just

> don't get it nor do the

> >rest

> >> of the family or any of my friends - are we

> missing something here?

> >> >

> >> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do

> nothing for someone you love.

> >> She's my baby sister.

> >> >

> >> >P

> >> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are

> juicing and eating

> >organic/vegi

> >> and

> >> taking supplements as a result of my sister's

> disease

> >> >

> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for replying - I would like the pics for my own info (I have fibroid

tumours which I am shrinking ussing what I have learnt about cancer - but my

diet was 60% there already before I started).

I think my sister has alot of guilt issues about her disease and her weight

(22st!) and she refused a mast and this delayed surgery for 9 mths (usuing

chemo to shrink an 8cm tumour which never shrunk not one bit.

from Pat to Patie!!!

patrician@...

Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or

> > stubborness??? (Vent and

> > >very very long)

> > >

> > >

> > >> This is probably not what you're looking for but

> > I would strongly

> > >recommend

> > >> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or

> > tape. It has changed my

> > >life

> > >> for the better and if you are willing to listen

> > to what she says it will

> > >help

> > >> you and allow you to more effectively work with

> > your sister.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> > >> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

> > >> >

> > >> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who

> > (now 36) is a junk food

> > >> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and

> > bones. She has " responded

> > >> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the

> > expense of her finger

> > >and

> > >> toe

> > >> nails and many side effects during the treatment.

> > She was on the brink of

> > >> death

> > >> before she started this last chemo (April 2003)

> > because I could not

> > >convince

> > >> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold!

> > Her GP assisted in this by

> > >> missing the metz completely.

> > >> >

> > >> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for

> > her " and her food

> > >addiction

> > >> means she is incapable of changing her diet

> > (she's still on diet coke and

> > >low

> > >> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat

> > - from years of failed

> > >weight

> > >> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on

> > most of the weight she

> > >lost

> > >> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

> > >> >

> > >> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs

> > who tell her what she wants

> > >to

> > >> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify

> > her diet/nutrition and

> > >try

> > >> some alt treatments even to compliment what they

> > are doing etc and they

> > >> tell me

> > >> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's

> > dying anyway) and the

> > >don't

> > >> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give

> > her meds. She does not

> > >> understand its palliative care and each visit the

> > Drs giver her " more good

> > >> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc

> > she would do it - I have

> > >> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she

> > didn't even last a week

> > >trying

> > >> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She

> > refuses to follow a " cancer

> > >> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently

> > when she has failed at it

> > >for

> > >> the

> > >> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

> > >> >

> > >> >She says she does not want to know how long she

> > may have and I have to

> > >> respect

> > >> that (the drs have told me the well published

> > dismal chemo stats). At the

> > >same

> > >> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15

> > years time esp in relation

> > >to

> > >> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in

> > despair as to what to do as

> > >she

> > >> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want

> > material things like

> > >> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

> > >> >

> > >> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten

> > me as to what might be

> > >going

> > >> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not

> > want to know about cancer

> > >and

> > >> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink

> > (the cancer diet to them

> > >> would be

> > >> like being kept alive on a life support machine -

> > alive but not living). I

> > >> have

> > >> given up on the idea of extending her life but I

> > fear that she will end up

> > >on

> > >> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle

> > drug " herceptin and seems to be

> > >relying

> > >> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease

> > to be effective sooner

> > >or

> > >> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit).

> > Has anyone come across

> > >such

> > >> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release

> > some don't have someone to

> > >show

> > >> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided

> > and has turned her back on

> > >> anything other than what the dr says). In a life

> > and death situ why would

> > >> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just

> > don't get it nor do the

> > >rest

> > >> of the family or any of my friends - are we

> > missing something here?

> > >> >

> > >> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do

> > nothing for someone you love.

> > >> She's my baby sister.

> > >> >

> > >> >P

> > >> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are

> > juicing and eating

> > >organic/vegi

> > >> and

> > >> taking supplements as a result of my sister's

> > disease

> > >> >

> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

it sounds to me as if u were using protocel. i would be very interested in

seeing the photos u have of the tumors being expelled, also, what u took. so

many victims are so depressed thinking there is no cure, and so dont really try

to fight it.

Pat Mc <pjmacblondie@...> wrote:I had a close friend of 30 years who

also trusted her

onocoligist totally and was into junk food. I had

breast, neck and lymph cancer at the same time she had

cancer and I did alternative meds and changed my

diet--only did Western medicine for diagnosis tests

and did not tell my doc what I was taking. Even after

she saw my cancer tumors expelling from my body, she

still listened to her doctor--stating he was an

excellent doc in the cancer field. He finally

convinced her to do more chemo--we all tried to

convince her to change her diet and try the herbal

cancer treatments and forget the chemo for awhile.

Needless to say, she listened to her doctor and two

weeks after the last chemo treatment--she died.

Lesson I learned--you can only try to help your fiends

but one has to make their own health choices--right or

wrong.

I can send you photos of my cancer tumors being

expelled if you think it will help convince her

alternatives do work.

Pattie

--- <lh22@...> wrote:

> The only one we can heal is ourselves. It was a hard

> lesson for me to learn.

> http://www.thework.org/home.html

>

>

>

>

>

> At 11:34 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >Thanks

> >

> >I appreciate I have some helaing to do of my own!

> >

> >P

> > Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or

> stubborness??? (Vent and

> >very very long)

> >

> >

> >> This is probably not what you're looking for but

> I would strongly

> >recommend

> >> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or

> tape. It has changed my

> >life

> >> for the better and if you are willing to listen

> to what she says it will

> >help

> >> you and allow you to more effectively work with

> your sister.

> >>

> >>

> >> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

> >> >

> >> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who

> (now 36) is a junk food

> >> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and

> bones. She has " responded

> >> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the

> expense of her finger

> >and

> >> toe

> >> nails and many side effects during the treatment.

> She was on the brink of

> >> death

> >> before she started this last chemo (April 2003)

> because I could not

> >convince

> >> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold!

> Her GP assisted in this by

> >> missing the metz completely.

> >> >

> >> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for

> her " and her food

> >addiction

> >> means she is incapable of changing her diet

> (she's still on diet coke and

> >low

> >> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat

> - from years of failed

> >weight

> >> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on

> most of the weight she

> >lost

> >> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

> >> >

> >> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs

> who tell her what she wants

> >to

> >> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify

> her diet/nutrition and

> >try

> >> some alt treatments even to compliment what they

> are doing etc and they

> >> tell me

> >> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's

> dying anyway) and the

> >don't

> >> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give

> her meds. She does not

> >> understand its palliative care and each visit the

> Drs giver her " more good

> >> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc

> she would do it - I have

> >> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she

> didn't even last a week

> >trying

> >> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She

> refuses to follow a " cancer

> >> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently

> when she has failed at it

> >for

> >> the

> >> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

> >> >

> >> >She says she does not want to know how long she

> may have and I have to

> >> respect

> >> that (the drs have told me the well published

> dismal chemo stats). At the

> >same

> >> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15

> years time esp in relation

> >to

> >> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in

> despair as to what to do as

> >she

> >> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want

> material things like

> >> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

> >> >

> >> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten

> me as to what might be

> >going

> >> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not

> want to know about cancer

> >and

> >> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink

> (the cancer diet to them

> >> would be

> >> like being kept alive on a life support machine -

> alive but not living). I

> >> have

> >> given up on the idea of extending her life but I

> fear that she will end up

> >on

> >> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle

> drug " herceptin and seems to be

> >relying

> >> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease

> to be effective sooner

> >or

> >> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit).

> Has anyone come across

> >such

> >> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release

> some don't have someone to

> >show

> >> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided

> and has turned her back on

> >> anything other than what the dr says). In a life

> and death situ why would

> >> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just

> don't get it nor do the

> >rest

> >> of the family or any of my friends - are we

> missing something here?

> >> >

> >> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do

> nothing for someone you love.

> >> She's my baby sister.

> >> >

> >> >P

> >> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are

> juicing and eating

> >organic/vegi

> >> and

> >> taking supplements as a result of my sister's

> disease

> >> >

> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

I am interested in what protocol you followed. And the pictures.. maybe I

can convince my in-laws that what I'm doing for my husband is not a bad

idea.

, jeracat @ tampabay.rr.com

Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or stubborness??? (Vent and

very very long)

I had a close friend of 30 years who also trusted her

onocoligist totally and was into junk food. I had

breast, neck and lymph cancer at the same time she had

cancer and I did alternative meds and changed my

diet--only did Western medicine for diagnosis tests

and did not tell my doc what I was taking. Even after

she saw my cancer tumors expelling from my body, she

still listened to her doctor--stating he was an

excellent doc in the cancer field. He finally

convinced her to do more chemo--we all tried to

convince her to change her diet and try the herbal

cancer treatments and forget the chemo for awhile.

Needless to say, she listened to her doctor and two

weeks after the last chemo treatment--she died.

Lesson I learned--you can only try to help your fiends

but one has to make their own health choices--right or

wrong.

I can send you photos of my cancer tumors being

expelled if you think it will help convince her

alternatives do work.

Pattie

--- <lh22@...> wrote:

> The only one we can heal is ourselves. It was a hard

> lesson for me to learn.

> http://www.thework.org/home.html

>

>

>

>

>

> At 11:34 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >Thanks

> >

> >I appreciate I have some helaing to do of my own!

> >

> >P

> > Re: [ ] denial ,ignorance or

> stubborness??? (Vent and

> >very very long)

> >

> >

> >> This is probably not what you're looking for but

> I would strongly

> >recommend

> >> getting Byron 's " Loving What Is " in book or

> tape. It has changed my

> >life

> >> for the better and if you are willing to listen

> to what she says it will

> >help

> >> you and allow you to more effectively work with

> your sister.

> >>

> >>

> >> At 06:53 PM 10/18/03 +0100, you wrote:

> >> >Dear All I am at the end of my tether :-((

> >> >

> >> >I posted when I first joined about my sister who

> (now 36) is a junk food

> >> addict with aggressive metz BC to lung liver and

> bones. She has " responded

> >> well " to taxatare this 2nd time around but at the

> expense of her finger

> >and

> >> toe

> >> nails and many side effects during the treatment.

> She was on the brink of

> >> death

> >> before she started this last chemo (April 2003)

> because I could not

> >convince

> >> her that her 4 month old " cold " was not cold!

> Her GP assisted in this by

> >> missing the metz completely.

> >> >

> >> >She says any alternative treatments are " not for

> her " and her food

> >addiction

> >> means she is incapable of changing her diet

> (she's still on diet coke and

> >low

> >> fat spread but with lots of alcohol and red meat

> - from years of failed

> >weight

> >> watchers - she's over 20st and has out back on

> most of the weight she

> >lost

> >> within 8 weeks of stopping her chemo).

> >> >

> >> >She's in total denial and is aided by the Drs

> who tell her what she wants

> >to

> >> hear. I have BEGGED the Drs to ask her to modify

> her diet/nutrition and

> >try

> >> some alt treatments even to compliment what they

> are doing etc and they

> >> tell me

> >> she should eat and drink as she wants (as she's

> dying anyway) and the

> >don't

> >> believe in it - they can do nothing else but give

> her meds. She does not

> >> understand its palliative care and each visit the

> Drs giver her " more good

> >> news " . If the Drs told her to change her diet etc

> she would do it - I have

> >> taken her to a cancer nutritionalist but she

> didn't even last a week

> >trying

> >> (the diet was a very gentle introduction). She

> refuses to follow a " cancer

> >> diet " and has joined weight watchers recently

> when she has failed at it

> >for

> >> the

> >> last 13 years!!! It shows she des not understand.

> >> >

> >> >She says she does not want to know how long she

> may have and I have to

> >> respect

> >> that (the drs have told me the well published

> dismal chemo stats). At the

> >same

> >> time she speaks ALOT about the future up to 15

> years time esp in relation

> >to

> >> her daughter who is under 10. My family is in

> despair as to what to do as

> >she

> >> an adult and its her life. She only seems to want

> material things like

> >> holidays,car etc which we have given her.

> >> >

> >> >I have not got cancer but can someone enlighten

> me as to what might be

> >going

> >> on in her mind. Her husband says she does not

> want to know about cancer

> >and

> >> leave her be as she enjoys her food and drink

> (the cancer diet to them

> >> would be

> >> like being kept alive on a life support machine -

> alive but not living). I

> >> have

> >> given up on the idea of extending her life but I

> fear that she will end up

> >on

> >> more chemo soon (she on the " miracle

> drug " herceptin and seems to be

> >relying

> >> totally on that to " cure " her - but it will cease

> to be effective sooner

> >or

> >> later = the drs don't tell them about that bit).

> Has anyone come across

> >such

> >> denial or ignorance? Is this common (I release

> some don't have someone to

> >show

> >> them the alternatives but she HAS been guided

> and has turned her back on

> >> anything other than what the dr says). In a life

> and death situ why would

> >> someone chose chemo over carrot juice ???- I just

> don't get it nor do the

> >rest

> >> of the family or any of my friends - are we

> missing something here?

> >> >

> >> >Sorry to be so long but its hard sit and do

> nothing for someone you love.

> >> She's my baby sister.

> >> >

> >> >P

> >> >PS On the plus side the rest of family are

> juicing and eating

> >organic/vegi

> >> and

> >> taking supplements as a result of my sister's

> disease

> >> >

> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

If possible, I would greatly appreciate your pictures and protocol...

Thank you very much!

tte

juliette@...

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am afraid that you will have lots of guilt when she dies, thinking you

didn't try hard enough.

You have to realize that you cannot force people to change, keep trying

though.

She may be in denial and is just not strong enough to fight this disease.

Not everybody is capable of changing even when it's life or death.

Like food for instance, I need milk, I absolutely need cream and butter and

chocolate and coffee. I could certainly change my diet a lot but still want

those things included, maybe in smaller amounts if necessary.

If I knew for a fact that one of these foods would cause cancer to grow

faster I would definitely stop eating that food though.

I read that foods with a low glycemic index do not promote cancer growth so

the pop and alcohol that your sister drinks are probably very bad for her.

If she is not even willing to take supplements, seems like she doesn't care

enough to try or doesn't believe that anything will really help and that she

will die when it is her time.

Maybe some people do know when there is no use and it's not worth the effort

because it will change nothing.

A friend of mine who died, did nothing because she said there was no point,

that it would not help. I think she knew and accepted and did not want to be

in denial

[Guest guest]

,

On Monday I was having some extreme anxiety over a pending ct scan

and I called the woman I do holographic repatterning with. One quick

session relieved my anxiety as well as cleared up a few other key

issues. Half way through my session I thought of your sister. This

may help her open her mind and tune into healing. I take it you are

in the UK. I know holographic repatterning is available there. Try an

on-line search or look in some alternative directories for a

pratitioner. You can do it over the phone, don't need to be in

person. HTH, Virginia

--- In , " teresa " <puccinathompson@h...>

[Guest guest]

Virginia

So sweet of you to think of my sister - shes still a baby to me even at 36 -

funny the only positive thing she has done herself is to arraange to see a

hypnotherapist I think to help her with her food addiction mainly - as to

whether she follows that through is another thing but she has made a start.

I will look into whay toy say in your email.

I see an acupuncturist and she helps desress me.

I wish you luck with your treatment and a long and happy life.

P

[ ] Re: denial ,ignorance or stubborness??? (Vent and

very very long)

> ,

> On Monday I was having some extreme anxiety over a pending ct scan

> and I called the woman I do holographic repatterning with. One quick

> session relieved my anxiety as well as cleared up a few other key

> issues. Half way through my session I thought of your sister. This

> may help her open her mind and tune into healing. I take it you are

> in the UK. I know holographic repatterning is available there. Try an

> on-line search or look in some alternative directories for a

> pratitioner. You can do it over the phone, don't need to be in

> person. HTH, Virginia

>

> --- In , " teresa " <puccinathompson@h...>

>

>

>

>