RE: Digest Number 837

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In a message dated 4/12/2000 11:16:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< hydrocobalamin >>

Hi,

I am interested in the hydrocobalamin. I have injected the other kind before.

How much? (Combien)

Thanks, HelenW8262@...

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In a message dated 4/12/00 1:16:41 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< This not sleeping

has got to stop though. Has this happened to anyone else? Did it stop

after

a while? Thank you for listening, >>

I had a hard time sleeping the first week or so. But then, I became so

active that

I was actually tired at night and slept good. So only take your Pro in the

morning,

and try to be as active as you can during the day, even if it only walking

around the

house or doing lite housekeeping.

Mike

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wrote:

> From: " Raushanah N. " <blisbomber@...>

> Subject: Milk May Lower Colon Cancer Risk

>

> Cann someone please give an educated opinion about this article, something

> just does not seem right about it.

Can you elaborate on what you find " not right " ? (and perhaps on what

you would regard as an " educated opinion " !)

> Researchers interviewed approximately 10,000 people about their diet,

> medical history and lifestyle habits such as smoking and vitamin use. During

> the next 24 years, 38 cases of colon cancer and 34 cases of rectal cancer

> were diagnosed among the participants in the study.

>

> The subjects who consumed the most milk were 54 percent less likely to

> develop colon cancer.

Well, it's vague. How many consumed whatever is meant by " the most "

milk? However, this isn't meant to be a presentation of the data but a

summary of the results so we should expect that.

Nevertheless, numbers of cancers such as 38 and 34 strike me as

waaaaaaaaaaay too small from which to start extracting meaningful

statistics such as " 54%... " . I would guess this figure is taken from

more data given in the actual report and not this summary.

Also, these numbers relative to 10,000 people are so small as to be very

affected by chance: if you picked another 10,000 people you'd probably

be just as likely to find e.g. 10 and 70 such cancers.

I'd rather see the full report to say anything more.

I remember seeing something about milk consumption a couple of years ago

which studied Seventh Day Adventists - their faith apparently leads them

to consume rather more milk than the general population. Alas, it was a

couple of years ago and only a side issue in a talk about the possible

health benefits of vegetarianism and I can't remember the jist of it.

--

Tel 07092057581 ICQ 40628243

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Mike (the one with the FIL doing badly with alternatives for a potentially

curable cancer) said--

> > My problem is with alternative medicine when there is a serious

> disease is

> > that it's the same thing as committing suicide.

A little strong, Mike. The vast majority of cancer sufferers who turn to

alternatives do so either because they have run out of conventional options

and are likely to die anyway, or as a supplement to conventional treatment,

looking for some insurance, if you like.

That in itself is OK -- cancer sufferers have always done this to some

extent. These folk will (mostly) not come to any added harm and may feel

better for doing so, and some of the things they do may be of benefit, and

for all we truly know may very rarely have spectacular effects. This

behaviour is rational.

Folk like your FIL pose a quite different and increasing problem. They are

being seduced by extremist propaganda that even most AM supporters don't

take too seriously.

So while it is enough for those described in the first paragraph to know

that a treatment method seemed to work for a few people, and to be induced

to try a treatment by a few testimonials, that is clearly not enough to

justify your FIL being pushed into alternatives the way he has. Who knows

if Lorraine Day's methods work even 1% of the time, when we can be certain

of the 70% cure rate with conventional methods? There is the potential for

side effects with the latter, but we can give him figures for those too.

This is the essence. Why the numbers are important. Any such approach is

avoided/ defused within deep alternative circles by applying two fictions

that make alternatives seem the more viable option. One is that

conventional treatments are " worse than the disease " . Another is that

conventional treatments never work, anyway. Such perceptions are reinforced

when all those who have had bad experiences congregate into one place like

this one. But even Vince does not support any of these notions.

There is some truth on the alternative side when it comes to advanced cancer

when chemotherapy is the only option, and the cancer is one that is not

normally very responsive to that. I do think oncologists are inclined to

apply chemotherapy in many situations where it is not likely to do much

good, but how much of that is at the urging of patient or relatives, or the

desire to avoid that helplessness that sometimes confronts all who treat

cancer, is hard to know.

Unfortunately this limited but common scenario seems to dominate some

alternative minds to the exclusion of all that is positive about

conventional medicine. Chemotherapy is the " bete noir " , but it is not

really understood. Thus herbal treatments are embraced, but if they work

at all they are very likely to have similar effects and disadvantages to the

many herb-derived chemotherapeutic agents in general use.

I have rambled on. Sorry. My main points were that there are very

different scenarios where alternatives are applied for cancer, that what is

reasonably defensible in one is not in others. Also that people will

interpret and/or misinterpret what you say according to the focus of their

own perceptions.

Regards

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>

> Message: 16

> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:02:29 -0800 (PST)

> From: Chia-wen s <cwpeters00@...>

> Subject: For M

>

> Dear ,

>

> Where are you in Australia? We are in Sydney. My dog,

> Dago has andenocarcinoma in anal sac dx 7/13/01. He

> has not had any conventional treatments. We were told

> he had one month to live if without the proposed

> treatment options: surgery, chemo with Doxorubicin and

> radiation.

Dearie me. Sounds like very expensive treatment for a pet, but as I once

spent $2400 on reconstruction of a dog's pelvis after it was hit by a car, I

suppose I shouldn't talk.

>

> We are into our fifth month with the support of

> vitamins, supplements and herbs. He started Poly-MVA

> on Monday 11/19/01 and we are hanging tight.

>

> I read your posts with great interest. May be you can

> help us with your medical knowledges. We are pretty

> much abanded by the vets because of Dago's prognosis

> was so poor.

There are comparable cancers in humans, which are also normally treated much

the same with fair cure rates . I have no other suggestions except perhaps

getting another opinion from a University Vet Hospital.

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Message: 19

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:18:55 -0700

From: " MJ " <MJB5@...>

Subject: Re: re: principles of health independence

>Mike, forgive the many emailed response.

>You ask " Where are studies? " As others here have stated, the NCI & NHI &

>FDA suppressed and discredited many of these studies.

>Case in point is

>Burzynski.

>He was once considered a quack, and dishonest at that.

Now his

>work is in clinical trial in major hospitals & the results for many forms

of

>brain cancer are impressive. Better than conventional med & non-toxic as

>well.

Mike is new to this field. Some facts ---. There has never been a

comparison of B's treatment with conventional treatments. Far from trying

to suppress his treatment, many years ago a trial was actually commenced

with NIH support but was abandoned. From memory this was because B wanted

to give children potentially lethal doses of his antineoplastins and became

uncoperative. His treatment entails huge doses of sodium intravenously

(27G/day or more) , and there have been a few near-deaths from it.

There are also no controlled trials going on. Unless there has been a

recent change that I don't know about, the trials described on his site are

a political fiction to allow him to continue to treat patients under strict

conditions. He cannot treat them outside of a " trial " .

There is no control group to compare his patients with. Those undergoing

his treatment for brain cancer have all undergone full medical treatment,

and in consequence it is difficult to know whether he is helping or not.

He has been stopped from treating some cancers that his methods clearly were

having no effect on.

After well over twenty years of applying his treatment B has produced no

worthwhile data, despite all the research he is supposed to have been

involved in. He admitted in a recent magazine interview that he has no idea

how often his treatment works, and for someone making over a million dollars

yearly from treating cancer I think that stinks. I don't know whether his

treatment may sometimes work but I still think that stinks. As you know, I

think the quality of information that cancer patients are offered by

alternative practitioners is pathetic and the trials you quote and some

others shows what they could do if they so chose.

You also might have mentioned that as the result of the impressive

trial that you quoted the NIH has allotted 1.7 million dollars to perform a

proper controlled trial of his method. Or didn't you know that?

Did you also not know that the NCCAM with its committee of strong

alternative sympathisers now has 30 million dollars yearly to apply to the

investigation of alternatives? Why aren't all those others offering

alternative cancer treatments putting up their hands for this research

money? What could be a more important use of this money?

The other trial is a non-randomised pilot study that is interesting but

needs to be confirmed.

A few studies of alternative cancer treatments are emerging, including a

recent survey of five year results from American Biologics and the

Livingstone-Wheeler clinic. The usual excuses are wearing very, very, very

thin.

Moran

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Dear all

My Sure Start research keeps me firmly on the sidelines of the Senate debate

but like to read with the on-goings. I have been so interested in this topic

that I wanted to add my oar in.

In 2000 Cowley Margaret Buttigieg and myself presented something of a

tome to the UKCC that led to the much applauded further work on competences

in health visiting (incidentally we talked about school nursing in the

report too). I was minded to fetch out that scoping document in light of the

recent discussions on senate and quote from it, in 2000 we said

'The first consistent picture from health visitor education is one of

concern about the difficulty faced by students and their teachers (in

college and in the practice setting in trying to maintain and ensure that

new practitioners are truly 'fit for practice' on qualifying. The level of

anxiety appeared to reflect a deep and genuine concern about the

difficulties of maintaining professional standards as well as considering

the impact on stressed students. Most of the difficulties appear to stem

directly from implementation of a new curriculum that lacks practical and

conceptual coherance with health visiting and that emphasises topics of

central importance to clinical nursing at the expense of those needed for

health visiting practice. Importantly, most of the programmes were far too

short to allow inclusion of all the topics course leaders regarded as

important' p89

we found that,

'differences appeared in every element - entry requirements, length of

programme, course content, practise supervision and learning outcomes. It

would be extremely difficult to identify any common themes to unify the

practitioners prepared on these programmes and only a minority appeared able

to include all the key aspects of learning that might have been anticipated

in any health visiting programme' p90

from

A First Steps Project to Scope the Current and Future Regulatory Issues for

Health Visiting

Report prepared for the United Kingdom Central Council for Nursing Midwifery

and Health Visiting April 2000

Cowley S, Buttigieg M, Houston A

Finally a real world comment from my typist on the project (she typed up the

curriculum analysis for me, of all the HV programmes we looked at) She was

as amazed as the researchers at the disparity of training programme content

' am I being naive in expecting that a health visitor trained in one

part of the country should have had the same training experience as a health

visitor trained in another part of the country, I had no idea it could be so

different'

And so here we are 3 years on!!!!!

Houston

>From:

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Digest Number 837

>Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:44:04 -0000

>

>

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Karolyn,

I don't want to break your bubble but the "detoxification symptoms" you speak of have no relationship to detoxification!! Let me ask you a question and that would be "What do you think you were detoxing your body of...chemicals, parasites or other??" Once you have answered that we can address the issue further on a phsyical chemistry and biochemical processes level.

This is a topic that consistently comes up and don't feel that this is picking on you but please let's just use your experience and gut instincts about that to have a decent discussion on the topic...NOT THE PERSON!!!

please respond cicily and let us see what that brings as far as information...OK?

regards,

BobK

At 08:53 PM 09/13/2003 -0000, karolynt47 wrote:

>>>>

> Andy - How do you explain the detoxification symptoms I had for a

> month when I started taking Microhydrin?

> Karolyn

>

>

> > > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have ephedra in

> > it.... blessings, Satya

> > > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> > >

> > >

> > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro.

> has

> > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> > >

> > >

> > >

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get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. has

ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

[Guest guest]

Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have ephedra in it.... blessings, Satya

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. hasephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

[Guest guest]

Wow, now your attesting to what the ingredients of MegaH...I suppose

you know doubt have a masters in organic chemistry and a lab to carry

out these tests

This product is sold by one of the biggest bullshitters ever to walk

this planet. Flanagan MD, Ph D. inventor of an ICBM

launcher...etc MD bought from a degree mill in Sri Lanka and the Ph

D bought from a mail order degree mill in Indonesia. Next year he

will claiming that he has invented air and will sell air as

necessary for a healthy bioterian.

I can attest for mega H as it's tap water, as there are numerous

studies done by Universities to confirm my attestation.

> Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have ephedra in

it.... blessings, Satya

> Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

>

>

> get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. has

> ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

>

>

>

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Andy - How do you explain the detoxification symptoms I had for a

month when I started taking Microhydrin?

Karolyn

> > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have ephedra in

> it.... blessings, Satya

> > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> >

> >

> > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro.

has

> > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> >

> >

> >

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Karolyn,

What exactly are " detoxification symptoms " ? Are they something that

Jeanine and others continually suggested you would encounter?

I'm jsut going on peer reviewed science from Simon Fraser University,

that has confirmed that Microhydrin is just water. The power of

suggestion or the placebo effect may have more to do with your

detoxification symptoms, or it may well be any number of problems we

humans enjoy with our bodies from time to time.

> > > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have ephedra

in

> > it.... blessings, Satya

> > > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> > >

> > >

> > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro.

> has

> > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Andy, I had headaches for a while and diarrhea/loose stool for a

month before leveling off. I certainly don't think that was

psychosomatic. If it is just water, how do you account for its

antioxidizing properties. If an apple slice is dipped in Crystal

Energy, it does not turn brown. Crystal Energy is the liquid form

used in water. Microhydrin and MegaH are in pill or capsule form. I

really can't remember all of the facts I was given when I started. I

know that when you brush your teeth with Microhydrin powder, tartar

is removed. It also seemed to help alleviate my allergy symptoms last

year. They started in June and only lasted a couple of weeks after I

increased my Microhydrin. Since I gave it up a few weeks ago, the

symptoms are back big-time, and I'm really suffering. (BTW, I gave it

up only for financial reasons.

Karolyn

> > > > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have

ephedra

> in

> > > it.... blessings, Satya

> > > > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans

micro.

> > has

> > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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I think it is pathetic that any person here should have to defend or justify their choices for their own health and treatment. I think it's ludicrous that an ignoramus like ANDY or whatever his name is, should put anyone on the defensive. Forget about him--think of the stress and frustration he is causing in those who are working to overcome stress and all other "dis-ease" causing behaviors! Arguments and discord are his Bread and Butter....Surely there is another list somewhere, or perhaps one that can be started that will encourage everyone, have healthy discussions and informed messages---I've been around here for a few years now and andy only speaks up to trash Jeanine or Satya--who he has now lumped up with Jeanine, just as he did to me when I uncovered the fact that he was carrying on whole threads of dialogue with HIMSELF in order to convince people he was right. The guy is off his nut. Toxic, you know, needs a high colonic.

In any case, I am sure he will now attack me, say something ugly about my mother etc....I know him by now. I only worry about people just tuning in....well, please listen with an open mind! And though it seems almost impossible to resist facing off with him, try to resist and know what you are doing is the RIGHT thing for YOU!

D

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > > > > > > > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. > > has> > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Bottom line is you can call me what you please, you can even lie

through your teeth to support the crap that comes out of your dirty

little mouth...but when it is all said and done...

WHERE DID YOUR MOM GET THE RIBAVIRIN DERA CROFTS?

PS...you actually exposed someone, or your actually to dim to have

figured that one out.

> > > > > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have

> ephedra

> > in

> > > > it.... blessings, Satya

> > > > > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans

> micro.

> > > has

> > > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Is flannagan megahydryn the best silica hydride compaired to rbc and

others,how do you purchase it cant find order form ,and satya I wish

you would put up your protocol again so i can copy this time,do you

think a 1a would do as well as you?

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Hi Biggrick, I'm not sure what sells the best -- I like Flantech's brand, but I think Karolyn swore by RBC--....I get mine at www.flantech.com, and if you get the special (5+ one free), each bottle comes to just over $17......as far as my protocol, I take Dr. Zhang's Group I protocol, Mega-H, Superhydrate, MAP, New Life Colostrum Plus, Ravensara Oil (topically), Jay's Milk Thistle, Olivessence Capsules, Organic Greens, a probiotic w/ digestive enzymes, and VitaSynergy for Women. As far as genotype, I'm a 4a, which is supposed to be like a 1a, but I've recently read that response to treatment (tx?) is a bit better for the 4's.....anyway, as you know, along with my protocol, I use Acupuncture , energy healing, yoga, visualizations, affirmations, crystals and the like. You have to eat well, sleep well, and drink plenty of pure water also. And of course, you must keep a positive attitude. If you put the right things in your body, and treat it well, I don't see any reason you wouldn't feel as good as I do. But then, I don't know the state of your liver/ how much the disease has progressed. Either way , I don't see how it could hurt you..........and possibly you could end up feeling great ! Blessings to you , Satya

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

Is flannagan megahydryn the best silica hydride compaired to rbc andothers,how do you purchase it cant find order form ,and satya I wishyou would put up your protocol again so i can copy this time,do youthink a 1a would do as well as you?

[Guest guest]

All I know of the ingredients is what's listed on the bottle. I doubt you can produce any studies that prove it's merely tap water. But if so, please post it! Maybe it'll keep you busy looking for it so we can get on with the forum without further bullshit from you.

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. has> ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > >

[Guest guest]

why don't you POST such a study as you have found, Andy? Or is it again just your bullshit?

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > > > > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. > has> > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > > > > > > > >

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Karolyn, I can agree with you on that one . I stopped for financial reasons just lately , and my symptoms are also coming back . I'm saving up to get some more as soon as possible . be well, and blessings ! Satya

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > > > > > > > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. > > has> > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Thanks for calling a spade a spade, D. Unfortunately, Andy would probably follow us, since we are giving him his jollies! You're right that newbies may believe his crap, so that's why I try to clarify that we are not all quacks who use natural healing methods. And yes, I have a fresh mouth which can't always resist answering his rude and off-the-wall comments. I'm like that in "real life"--I don't take shit from anyone. But I do apologize to the group for doing this. And you're right, none of us should have to justify what treatment we choose for our own bodies..... He really doesn't frustrate me--I just see it as sparring, but it isn't fair to the group, I agree.....Andy bashes EVERY time I post about natural healing---I'd like to write my post and be done with it, but Andy ALWAYS has to bash me each time I post. And I'm not leaving the group. yes I know he is sick, D, he seems to be even obsessed with me (and Jeannine, who doesn't even post here anymore) but I'll do my best to keep it low key. Thanks for laying out Andy's true colors here, so it doesn't look like the only one "defending" is the one who's bashed.....Ever notice the only thing Andy "shares" is a nasty attitude? You never hear him share anything personal, such as a personal story from his life experience, or encourage anyone. He is just miserable, I suppose, and possibly even mentally ill. I should consider this, and feel sorry for him rather than enable him........ Blessings, Satya

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > > > > > > > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. > > has> > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > > > > > > > > > > >

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NOW who's getting defensive???????? Andy, you can't even spell correctly when you get this mad.......

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans > micro. > > > has> > > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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By DR. GIFFORD-JONES -- Special to C-Health

Never before have we had such unpa- ralleled access to medical facts.

Now the Internet has added another dimension to communication.

But one thing will never change: The old legal maxim, " Let the buyer

beware. " Some of the nutritional gobbledegook that's being touted as

fact makes the old snake-oil salesman seem like a saint.

There are tons of examples of questionable nutritional advice. The

best example I've seen was reported in a recent University of

California, Berkeley, Wellness Letter.

Mailing packages of Microhydrin, an " anti-aging " supplement and cure-

all, make an extraordinary claim. They state that the product

was " reviewed and approved by the Berkeley Wellness Newsletter. "

But the newsletter states, " This claim is completely bogus. "

The damage, however, had already been done. The company had conducted

a hard-sell campaign for Microhydrin via Internet and audio- and

videotapes.

Editors of the Wellness Letter raise red flags about this product.

For instance, its inventor was said to be a " Nobel Prize Nominee. "

But there is no such thing. The Nobel nominating process is strictly

confidential. Nominees are never informed that they have been

nominated.

Editors point out that the inventor claims that his discovery is

based on high-altitude water consumed by the Hunza people of northern

Pakistan. And that these people supposedly live to well over 100 and

don't get cancer.

The company claims it contains special minerals and negative hydrogen

ions. This supposedly makes Microhydrin the ultimate antioxidant. In

effect, it fights damaging free radicals that are associated with

aging and cancer.

Promoters of Microhydrin claim that ordinary tap water is the

villain. That it robs the body of hydrogen ions. And that aging,

chronic disease and everything bad is due to a lack of negative

hydrogen ions. Wow! If only the cure for aging and cancer was that

simple!

The marketing claims of Microhydrin go on and on. It is

supposedly " thousands of times more effective than any other known

antioxidant. "

But it is also supposed to be the most exciting discovery of the

century. One that also prevents heart disease, tooth decay, asthma,

diabetes, athletes foot and vision problems. And if all this isn't

enough reason to open your wallet, it's also said to be good for

impotence.

Then, of course, there are the usual testimonials. A child with a

lung infection was cured by Microhydrin. It revived a cat! A woman

bitten by a scorpion was saved by Microhydrin. One user says it

prevents sunburn, another that it boosts energy.

It would appear that this Hunza find would put us doctors out to

pasture very quickly. This is all science-fiction. And as experts

point out, the chemistry is wrong.

Dr. Pryor is director of the Biodynamics Institute at

Louisiana State University. He's an expert on free radicals and I've

interviewed him on several occasions.

Pryor says that negative hydrogen ions can't even exist in water!

When marketers claim that Microhydrin reduces the surface tension of

water so that fluids can pass through the cells and toxins can be

released, this is nonsense, according to Pyror.

And the explanation for how Microhydrin boosts energy is " total

garbage. " The whole idea that the source water for Microhydrin is

better than other water, let alone life-prolonging, is absurd. All

water is simply H2O. Other experts agreed with Pryor.

Today, piles of technical, pseudo-scientific humbug about nutritional

supplements reach the public from multi-level marketers. Don't fall

for them, particularly those on the Internet. And if someone claims

to be a Nobel Prize nominee, just smile.

> > > > Hey Biggrick, how are ya? No the mega-H does not have

ephedra

> in

> > > it.... blessings, Satya

> > > > Re: [ ] Digest Number 837

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans

micro.

> > has

> > > > ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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lol

Re: [ ] Digest Number 837> > > get him skin slapper he he, do you know if flannagans micro. has> ephedra in it,somebody told it did. you crack me up> > >