Re: Anemia in Cancer

[Guest guest]

Yellow Dock Root relieves the iron from the small intestine and also contains

some iron in a colloidal form. Kelp, Parsley and Brewer's yeast are also good

sources of Iron.

Rand , Herbalist

Trudy Newman <tnew@...> wrote: Hi everyone,

I understand that the pharmaceutical Procrit is used to treat the

anemia found in cancer. Does anyone know what alternative(s) could be

used in place of this pharmaceutical?

http://www.nbc6.net/dianagonzalez/1412807/detail.html

TIA,

Kind regards,

Trudy

[Guest guest]

Trudy

Many years ago I got a call from a woman in late stage cancer with

significant iron issues. Her docs had no more to help her with. She went

back to her native Macedonia and the family there started her on a home

remedy of fresh stinging nettle juice, 1 tablespoon three to five times a day.

You should be able to gather nettles from the wild and if you have a good

juicer, try this for yourself. A good juicer/extractor is necessary as

nettles are very fibrous.

At this time of the year, however, they are very tender. We steam them

gently as greens, like spinace. And, I add them to my juicing regime.

Just another bit for you research.

Hope this helps

mjh

In a message dated 5/2/02 7:34:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tnew@... writes:

> Hi Rand,

>

> After I posted my note I had the great brain wave to do a search. I

> came across the recommendation of Yellow Dock in quite a few of the

> web sites that I looked at. (I have never heard of Yellow Dock

> before, so I really appreciate your suggestion. I will have to

> investigate this further.)

>

> I was just wondering why they recommend Procrit instead of Vitamin B12

> injections or iron pills. Does anyone know if these supplements are

> contraindicated with cancer?

>

> Just to add to the discussion, I submit the following links for those

> who are interested in this subject.

>

> http://www.healthatoz.com/atoz/centers/alternative/anemia.html

> (This link mentions that Yellow Dock is a well-known source of iron.

> Alfalfa, Dandelion, Goldenseal and Hawthorn may improve circulatory

> system functioning.)

>

> http://holistic-online.com/Remedies/anemia.htm

> (If you scroll down you will see that this link has a number of

> alternative suggestions for anemia.)

>

> http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=1211

>

> (This link is helpful in explaining the different kinds of anemia.)

>

> http://www.findarticles.com/g2603/0001/2603000157/p1/article.jhtml

> (...lots of information.)

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

>

> From: Rand <aesculapius_ca@y...>

> Date: Thu May 2, 2002 10:43 am

> Subject: Re: [ ] Anemia in Cancer

>

> Yellow Dock Root relieves the ron from the small intestine and also

> contains some iron in a colloidal form. Kelp, Parsley and Brewer's

> yeast are also good sources of Iron.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rand,

After I posted my note I had the great brain wave to do a search. I

came across the recommendation of Yellow Dock in quite a few of the

web sites that I looked at. (I have never heard of Yellow Dock

before, so I really appreciate your suggestion. I will have to

investigate this further.)

I was just wondering why they recommend Procrit instead of Vitamin B12

injections or iron pills. Does anyone know if these supplements are

contraindicated with cancer?

Just to add to the discussion, I submit the following links for those

who are interested in this subject.

http://www.healthatoz.com/atoz/centers/alternative/anemia.html

(This link mentions that Yellow Dock is a well-known source of iron.

Alfalfa, Dandelion, Goldenseal and Hawthorn may improve circulatory

system functioning.)

http://holistic-online.com/Remedies/anemia.htm

(If you scroll down you will see that this link has a number of

alternative suggestions for anemia.)

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=1211

(This link is helpful in explaining the different kinds of anemia.)

http://www.findarticles.com/g2603/0001/2603000157/p1/article.jhtml

(...lots of information.)

Kind regards,

Trudy

From: Rand <aesculapius_ca@y...>

Date: Thu May 2, 2002 10:43 am

Subject: Re: [ ] Anemia in Cancer

Yellow Dock Root relieves the ron from the small intestine and also

contains some iron in a colloidal form. Kelp, Parsley and Brewer's

yeast are also good sources of Iron. Rand , Herbalist

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I like to share this with you:

Two month ago I found a german book with the titel " Blood and iron " ( " Blut

und Eisen " ) written by a doctor who found out, that when he treated the

anemia of his final stage cancer patients with iron, the patients felt from

day to day better and the cancer disappeared. He gave his patients infusions

of three-pronged iron (Ferrlecit) two or three times a week and controlled

the iron status by blood analysis. He found out that the cancer took all the

iron it could get and died of it.

In his book he wrote that his patients were well as long as they got the iron

infusions

( later only two times a year) but when they stopped the infusions to early

because they thought they are cured, the cancer returned and they died in a

very short time

in hospitals where the M.D`s. refused to give them the iron because they

did`nt know the iron therapy.

I have tried to discuss the iron therapy with our doctors and found different

reactions,

some of them refused even to talk about it and others called enthusiastic "

This

could be the solution " .

Fact is, if the iron therapy for final stage cancerpatients realy works like

the author in his book wrote, than it is the most simple and inexpensive

cures for cancer in the

world. The question is: who except the patients is interested in a simple and

inexpensive cures for cancer ????

pelcka

[Guest guest]

Pelcka -

could you please name the author?

Regards

At 9:48 Uhr +0200 03.05.2002, pelcka@... wrote:

>Hi,

>I like to share this with you:

>Two month ago I found a german book with the titel " Blood and iron " ( " Blut

>und Eisen " ) written by a doctor who found out, that when he treated the

>anemia of his final stage cancer patients with iron, the patients felt from

>day to day better and the cancer disappeared.

[Guest guest]

Most interesting about the iron treatment!

Re: psychological causes. " DIRK HAMER SYNDROME (DHS) "

I found this in some notes (can't remember where I got it now), and have

heard other researchers say pretty much the same thing. That is, a single

pschological trauma can trigger the onset of cancer about a year or two

later.

- Art

Discovered eleven years ago by the German doctor Ryke Geerd HAMER confirmed

on December the 9th 1988 at the Vienna University

In the habilitation script he presented at the Tubingen University in

October 1981, Dr. HAMER summarized his research with this statement: " ;I

searched for cancer in the cell and I have found it in the form of a wrong

coding in the brain. " ;

Until now, cancers were illnesses of the organs and as such, purely

organically-symptomatically treated. The psyche and the brain from which

everything in our organism is steered, were quite uninteresting.

From his personal experience--he himself has had a cancer-and from those

patients he took care of in many university clinics, Dr. HAMER established

over the years that there is always a

definite syndrome at the source of cancer, and not just a kind of stress. It

requires a strong stimulus, a brutal psychic trauma, which hits the patient

as a major event in his life, an acute dramatic conflict, lived in a

complete psychic isolation. This initial syndrome, which he discovered and

carefully verified in each of the ca., 15,000 cases he has examined until

now, he called DIRK HAMER SYNDROME (DHS), from his son's name, Dirk, whose

tragic death in 1978 originated his own cancer.

The experience of those thousands of individual cases diagnosed and treated

in the last years, allowed him to bring out constants and formulate a law,

always checked precisely, the Iron Law of Cancer, which has never been

contradicted. This law, whose Dirk Hamer Syndrome is the main piece, the

keystone, states as follows:

1. Any cancer starts with a DHS, that is to say, an extremely brutal shock,

a dramatic and acute conflict, experienced in loneliness and sensed by the

patient as the most serious he has ever known.

2. It is the subjective meaning of the conflict, the way the patient

experienced it at the moment of the DHS, its colouring, which determines:

a) the Hamer's focus, that is, the specific area of the brain, which, under

the influence of the psychic trauma, suffers a breakdown and thus induces an

ill-proliferation of cells (cancer) in the organ dependent on this short

circuited cerebral area;

the location of the cancer in the organism.

3. There is exact correlation between the evolution of the conflict and the

evolution of the cancer on a double level: cerebral and organic.

A second or third conflict with DHS may follow in the wake of the first DHS.

For instance the diagnostic of cancer can create a sudden fear of death,

with round spots in the lungs, or a conflict of self-devaluation, with

cancer of the bones: these are not " metastases " but new tumors caused by new

Hamer's foci in the brain, occurring under the influence of new psychic

trauma.

As soon as the conflict is resolved, there is an inversion of polarity, the

breakdown in the brain

(Hamer's focus) is repaired by forming an oedema, whereas the cells whose

anarchic proliferation was due to a coding error of the brain's computer,

are no longer innervated by wrong codes and the tumor stops spreading

(carcinostasis) and heals (peritumoral oedema), is encysted, transformed or

ejected. This regrowth is often accompanied by pain and by these peritumoral

oedemas, for instance ascites (an accumulation of fluid in the peritoneal

cavity), wet pleura, periostal oedema, etc.

Due to the nerve reversal and the shift to a vagotony the whole organism

begins a long phase of regrowth with an oedematous swelling throughout the

body (as with a pregnant woman), a return to normal sleep patterns, restored

appetite and weight gain, a feeling of well-being experienced by the

patient, although tiredness, and a weariness typical of vagotony may mislead

an inexperienced doctor into diagnosing it as a worsening of the patient's

health.

During the healing process, all kinds of cerebral complications may occur,

according to the conflict's duration and location in the Hamer's focus. The

most difficult areas to deal with

are those next to the vital vegetative centres responsible for the

temperature, respiration, heart circulation. The swelling can be controlled

by complete suppression of alcohol, cortizone,

diuretics, coffee, anti-inflammation medicine and ice supplied on the neck

or the top of the head in some cases, helps to hold in check the untimely

results of a sudden over-working of the

parasympathetic nervous system. If several sites appear at the same time,

with multiple swellings occurring, liquids must be strictly restricted.

Until now, doctors conformed to the unwritten law that the patient would not

suffer. Considered as the worst and most terrible symptoms immediately

preceding death, the pains suffered in the healing process seem intolerable

for only a four to six week phase, stopping spontaneously after two or three

months. It is important to realize that the patient's sensitivity to

pain is very different if he knows it is a transitory phase of his illness,

and some patients keep to the minimum amount of drugs if they can see hope

at the end of the tunnel.

Probably three-quarters of the cancers caused by a DHS stop their evolution

before they can be suspected, the conflict being prematurely resolved. The

only danger is that, in a checkup,

these encysted cancers may be misinterpreted. A wrong diagnosis can then

cause a panic reaction, a fear of death, that is a DHS producing round spots

in the lungs. So the patient who has just escaped by chance, is thrown back

into the therapy cycle.

The empirical method, and years of work leading to the iron law of cancer

gives us several precious keys. Indeed, Dr. Hamer noticed that acute

leukemia is exactly in accord with this iron law. It starts with a DHS and a

severe conflict of self-devaluation . . . . The epileptic outburst, provided

there is no cerebral trauma, or congenital malformation, is a reaction of

the organism trying to stop swelling caused by the over-working of the

parasympathetic nervous system, by a sudden increased activity of the

sympathetic nervous system.

[Guest guest]

I really find these discussions interesting. In the

case of my girlfriend, it applies on all counts.

's father left her family when she was very young.

At around the age of 16 she got involved in a

relationship with a nasty leg-breaker for the mob. He

was very abusive and by the age of 20, he broke her

arm and held a gun to her head and clicked the

trigger, promising to kill her if she didn't stop

crying one night. She escaped from his power and tried

to commit suicide shortly afterwards. At that time,

she was placed on Effexor for post traumatic stress

disorder. For two years she would wake up crying,

flashing back to the violence she experienced. It

seemed to haunt her, even though she was happy in our

stable relationship. By 24, she was diagnosed with a

form of Ewing's Sarcoma that had already spread.

I don't think people give stress and traumatic

incidence enough credit for severe disease. They don't

want to believe there is a correlation at all.

Thanks

Marty

--- " A. C. Brown " <abrown101@...> wrote:

> Most interesting about the iron treatment!

>

>

> Re: psychological causes. " DIRK HAMER SYNDROME

> (DHS) "

>

> I found this in some notes (can't remember where I

> got it now), and have

> heard other researchers say pretty much the same

> thing. That is, a single

> pschological trauma can trigger the onset of cancer

> about a year or two

> later.

>

> - Art

>

>

>

> Discovered eleven years ago by the German doctor

> Ryke Geerd HAMER confirmed

> on December the 9th 1988 at the Vienna University

>

> In the habilitation script he presented at the

> Tubingen University in

> October 1981, Dr. HAMER summarized his research with

> this statement: " ;I

> searched for cancer in the cell and I have found it

> in the form of a wrong

> coding in the brain. " ;

>

> Until now, cancers were illnesses of the organs and

> as such, purely

> organically-symptomatically treated. The psyche and

> the brain from which

> everything in our organism is steered, were quite

> uninteresting.

>

> From his personal experience--he himself has had a

> cancer-and from those

> patients he took care of in many university clinics,

> Dr. HAMER established

> over the years that there is always a

> definite syndrome at the source of cancer, and not

> just a kind of stress. It

> requires a strong stimulus, a brutal psychic trauma,

> which hits the patient

> as a major event in his life, an acute dramatic

> conflict, lived in a

> complete psychic isolation. This initial syndrome,

> which he discovered and

> carefully verified in each of the ca., 15,000 cases

> he has examined until

> now, he called DIRK HAMER SYNDROME (DHS), from his

> son's name, Dirk, whose

> tragic death in 1978 originated his own cancer.

>

> The experience of those thousands of individual

> cases diagnosed and treated

> in the last years, allowed him to bring out

> constants and formulate a law,

> always checked precisely, the Iron Law of Cancer,

> which has never been

> contradicted. This law, whose Dirk Hamer Syndrome is

> the main piece, the

> keystone, states as follows:

>

> 1. Any cancer starts with a DHS, that is to say, an

> extremely brutal shock,

> a dramatic and acute conflict, experienced in

> loneliness and sensed by the

> patient as the most serious he has ever known.

>

> 2. It is the subjective meaning of the conflict, the

> way the patient

> experienced it at the moment of the DHS, its

> colouring, which determines:

>

> a) the Hamer's focus, that is, the specific area of

> the brain, which, under

> the influence of the psychic trauma, suffers a

> breakdown and thus induces an

> ill-proliferation of cells (cancer) in the organ

> dependent on this short

> circuited cerebral area;

>

> the location of the cancer in the organism.

>

> 3. There is exact correlation between the evolution

> of the conflict and the

> evolution of the cancer on a double level: cerebral

> and organic.

>

> A second or third conflict with DHS may follow in

> the wake of the first DHS.

> For instance the diagnostic of cancer can create a

> sudden fear of death,

> with round spots in the lungs, or a conflict of

> self-devaluation, with

> cancer of the bones: these are not " metastases " but

> new tumors caused by new

> Hamer's foci in the brain, occurring under the

> influence of new psychic

> trauma.

>

> As soon as the conflict is resolved, there is an

> inversion of polarity, the

> breakdown in the brain

> (Hamer's focus) is repaired by forming an oedema,

> whereas the cells whose

> anarchic proliferation was due to a coding error of

> the brain's computer,

> are no longer innervated by wrong codes and the

> tumor stops spreading

> (carcinostasis) and heals (peritumoral oedema), is

> encysted, transformed or

> ejected. This regrowth is often accompanied by pain

> and by these peritumoral

> oedemas, for instance ascites (an accumulation of

> fluid in the peritoneal

> cavity), wet pleura, periostal oedema, etc.

>

> Due to the nerve reversal and the shift to a

> vagotony the whole organism

> begins a long phase of regrowth with an oedematous

> swelling throughout the

> body (as with a pregnant woman), a return to normal

> sleep patterns, restored

> appetite and weight gain, a feeling of well-being

> experienced by the

> patient, although tiredness, and a weariness typical

> of vagotony may mislead

> an inexperienced doctor into diagnosing it as a

> worsening of the patient's

> health.

>

> During the healing process, all kinds of cerebral

> complications may occur,

> according to the conflict's duration and location in

> the Hamer's focus. The

> most difficult areas to deal with

> are those next to the vital vegetative centres

> responsible for the

> temperature, respiration, heart circulation. The

> swelling can be controlled

> by complete suppression of alcohol, cortizone,

> diuretics, coffee, anti-inflammation medicine and

> ice supplied on the neck

> or the top of the head in some cases, helps to hold

> in check the untimely

> results of a sudden over-working of the

> parasympathetic nervous system. If several sites

> appear at the same time,

> with multiple swellings occurring, liquids must be

> strictly restricted.

>

> Until now, doctors conformed to the unwritten law

> that the patient would not

> suffer. Considered as the worst and most terrible

> symptoms immediately

> preceding death, the pains suffered in the healing

> process seem intolerable

> for only a four to six week phase, stopping

> spontaneously after two or three

> months. It is important to realize that the

> patient's sensitivity to

> pain is very different if he knows it is a

> transitory phase of his illness,

> and some patients keep to the minimum amount of

> drugs if they can see hope

> at the end of the tunnel.

>

> Probably three-quarters of the cancers caused by a

> DHS stop their evolution

> before they can be suspected, the conflict being

> prematurely resolved. The

> only danger is that, in a checkup,

> these encysted cancers may be misinterpreted. A

> wrong diagnosis can then

> cause a panic reaction, a fear of death, that is a

> DHS producing round spots

> in the lungs. So the patient who has just escaped by

> chance, is thrown back

> into the therapy cycle.

>

> The empirical method, and years of work leading to

> the iron law of cancer

> gives us several precious keys. Indeed, Dr. Hamer

> noticed that acute

> leukemia is exactly in accord with this iron law. It

> starts with a DHS and a

> severe conflict of self-devaluation . . . . The

> epileptic outburst, provided

> there is no cerebral trauma, or congenital

> malformation, is a reaction of

> the organism trying to stop swelling caused by the

> over-working of the

> parasympathetic nervous system, by a sudden

> increased activity of the

> sympathetic nervous system.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pelcka,

Thank you for sharing this with us. I agree, it sure does seem that

they do not want any simple and inexpensive cures for cancer. I

phoned my local pharmacist today and found out the that Procrit would

cost approximately $500.00 (I think that was for one month). Who can

afford that?

I still want to know what the big deal is about Procrit and why they

don't just use B12 IM injections or iron tablets. One thing about the

iron treatments is that a person would not want to be trying this on

their own and would have to be monitored by a physician, because of

the danger of iron overload.

http://www.irondisorders.org/disorders/aio/

It seems that anemia is a problem for a number of different cancers,

as well as other chronic conditions.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000569.htm

Thanks, again, for sharing this with us; it was very interesting.

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 12

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 03:48:56 EDT

From: pelcka@...

Subject: Re: Re: Anemia in Cancer

Hi,

I like to share this with you:

Two month ago I found a german book with the titel " Blood and iron "

( " Blut und Eisen " ) written by a doctor who found out, that when he

treated the anemia of his final stage cancer patients with iron, the

patients felt from day to day better and the cancer disappeared. He

gave his patients infusions of three-pronged iron (Ferrlecit) two or

three times a week and controlled the iron status by blood analysis.

He found out that the cancer took all the iron it could get and died

of it.

In his book he wrote that his patients were well as long as they got

the iron infusions

( later only two times a year) but when they stopped the infusions to

early because they thought they are cured, the cancer returned and

they died in a very short time in hospitals where the M.D`s. refused

to give them the iron because they did`nt know the iron therapy. I

have tried to discuss the iron therapy with our doctors and found

different reactions, some of them refused even to talk about it and

others called enthusiastic " This could be the solution " . Fact is, if

the iron therapy for final stage cancer patients realy works like the

author in his book wrote, than it is the most simple and inexpensive

cures for cancer in the world. The question is: who except the patients is

interested in a simple and inexpensive cures for cancer ????

pelcka

[Guest guest]

Hi Trudy,

You might be interested in looking at the life extension website at

www.lef.org. They have a whole section which discusses the many varieties of

anemia. click on the sidebar that says health conditions. You can also click

on the part that discusses research papers for the particular ailments.

Web MD also has a very comprehensive data base on drugs and herbs.

There are other sites which are related to procrit itself. I simply typed in

procrit and found many sites. Hope this is helpful.

kind regards, cherie

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie,

Thanks so much for thinking of me and sending me this link; I will

check it out later this evening.

I have been soooo busy of lately--I fear that I am going to drop! I

have had to do several projects that require considerable paper work

and, with my poor health, it has been absolutely grueling. At the

beginning of the month, I was sure I would have an adrenal crisis

before the end of the month (because of all the stress from all this

paper work). ...but here it is close to the end of the month and I'm

still alive--just exhausted!

I have not been able to do my new doctor's diet, and fear I am still

drinking coffee just so I could get through these major projects that

demanded my immediate attention. (I am doing pretty good with taking

all of his supplements, though. The only thing is that I am starting

to burp of the taste of gel caps. ...yuck! ...does anyone have any

suggestions on how to avoid this?)

Next week I have to try to get some of my medical records straightened

out--so more stress. It would be great if I could get everything

squared away with the secretaries, without having to make a formal

complaint requesting an investigation. I met with a girl in medical

records at our local hospital today, and she was able to get a lot of

problems straightened out. So I am very grateful for all of her

help. (...and she had such a great attitude--I really appreciated

that!)

Someone had asked me for more information about my therapy with this

new doctor, but I have just been too busy to check into it further,

but maybe I will get a chance this weekend to do a search.

Until then... I hope you all are keeping well and enjoy a great

weekend! :-)

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 2

Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:23:39 EDT

From: Ibsingin2@...

Subject: Re: Re: Anemia in Cancer

Hi Trudy,

You might be interested in looking at the life extension website

at http://www.lef.org . They have a whole section which discusses the

many varieties of anemia. click on the sidebar that says health

conditions. You can also click on the part that discusses research

papers for the particular ailments. Web MD also has a very

comprehensive data base on drugs and herbs. There are other sites

which are related to procrit itself. I simply typed in procrit and

found many sites. Hope this is helpful.

kind regards, cherie