Re: hazards of pain killers

[Guest guest]

Hi Loren,

thanks for posting this.

On the subject of painkillers, I've just come across some very

painful information...

Of every ONE shot (1 cc) of the standard dental anesthetic

lidocaine, 67% is metabolized into anilines (carcinogenic coal tar

derivatives) in the amounts equivalent to those one gets from

smoking 84,000 cigarettes (BPNL, 13(6), Nov. 1997).

Unfortunately, I had to visit a dentist a few times recently, and

unfortunately it's not over yet... I have made some calculations

and discovered that in the course of only THREE VISITS, I have

received, via standard dental painkillers, the equivalent of tar

carcinogens I would get from smoking a pack a day for about 68 YEARS

without missing a day. Since I'm looking at more fun along the same

lines in the nearest future, the overall dental interventions I will

have to subject myself to will amount, via painkillers alone, to the

carcinogenic equivalent of a minimum of 212 years of hard core

smoking.

I don't have a perfect solution (as it is, dentists typically think

I'm a masochist or something, since I always ask for the " smallest

possible " dose of the painkiller, or none at all if the pain is

bearable, whereas all other patients reportedly ask to be hit with a

monkey wrench if necessary, just so they don't feel anything), but

I've been taking megadoses of antioxidants throughout the dental

saga, and would recommend the same approach to anyone undergoing

dental interventions.

Elena

[Guest guest]

Where did you get the information (source) for the Lidocaine metabolism into

carcinogenic coal tars?

Every man that gets a cystoscopic examination gets a heavy squirt of

Lidocaine and I have been getting one every week for six weeks and once

every 3 months on an on-going basis. If these charges are

valid.............I've got a problem and so do the rest of the souls getting

scoped.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

> Where did you get the information (source) for the Lidocaine

metabolism into

> carcinogenic coal tars?

Bio-Probe Newsletter, Vol 16, Issue 6, November 2000, p 4

cited by a local dentist (trained by Hal Huggins) on his site:

http://www.wellnessdentalcare.com/Dental-Topic208.html

and for a more detailed and technical treatment:

http://www.healthcarealternatives.net/dangers.html

http://www.heall.com/body/healthupdates/drugs/anesthetic.html

If you google " lidocaine and anilines and carcinogenic " you will

find a lot more.

> Every man that gets a cystoscopic examination gets a heavy squirt

of

> Lidocaine and I have been getting one every week for six weeks and

once

> every 3 months on an on-going basis. If these charges are

> valid.............I've got a problem and so do the rest of the

souls getting

> scoped.

Those are not " charges, " just part of a vast pool of factual

reserarch information under the general shy heading " what your

doctor may not tell you about... " (fill in the blank). The

holistically slanted dental info sites I've seen suggest a couple

alternatives to lidocaine, different anesthesia protocols that are

supposed to be safer. You may want to find out what other options

are available in the case of your procedure (and since " your doctor

may not tell you " you might have to try researching.)

I have an 1850s medical encyclopedia (written by an American doctor

for the lay public), a lucky antique store find... It has

multitudes of prescriptions (the doctor tells it all!), both

natural/traditional and " modern scientific " (chemical) for each and

every disease known to man to that date (and also to horse --

there's a chapter on horses' ailments too) but whether it's man or

horse, whenever anesthesia is being discussed for anything that

really hurts, it's always opium preparations of varying strength

that are the first (in most cases the only) choice. Well... we're

far removed from 1850 and any hope of any natural painkillers being

legal, this much is clear. But maybe there's still " something out

there " synthetic enough and patentable/profitable enough to

be " scientific " and acceptable, yet safe enough (via someone's

oversight?.. by mistake?..) to not add to the overall pool of

disease in the population? Who knows... miracles are known to have

happened. Good luck reseraching... wish I knew more on this

particular subject.

Bests,

Elena

[Guest guest]

Elena, I found out I didn't need a painkiller for cavities except on my bottom

front teeth, the nerves are closer to the surface. Dentists freeze the area,

IMO, so they can drill away. When I didn't have that my dentist was more gentle.

Be blessed, patti

Hi Loren,

thanks for posting this.

On the subject of painkillers, I've just come across some very

painful information...

Of every ONE shot (1 cc) of the standard dental anesthetic

lidocaine, 67% is metabolized into anilines (carcinogenic coal tar

derivatives) in the amounts equivalent to those one gets from

smoking 84,000 cigarettes (BPNL, 13(6), Nov. 1997).

Unfortunately, I had to visit a dentist a few times recently, and

unfortunately it's not over yet... I have made some calculations

and discovered that in the course of only THREE VISITS, I have

received, via standard dental painkillers, the equivalent of tar

carcinogens I would get from smoking a pack a day for about 68 YEARS

without missing a day. Since I'm looking at more fun along the same

lines in the nearest future, the overall dental interventions I will

have to subject myself to will amount, via painkillers alone, to the

carcinogenic equivalent of a minimum of 212 years of hard core

smoking.

I don't have a perfect solution (as it is, dentists typically think

I'm a masochist or something, since I always ask for the " smallest

possible " dose of the painkiller, or none at all if the pain is

bearable, whereas all other patients reportedly ask to be hit with a

monkey wrench if necessary, just so they don't feel anything), but

I've been taking megadoses of antioxidants throughout the dental

saga, and would recommend the same approach to anyone undergoing

dental interventions.

Elena