Re: natural cancer therapies

[Guest guest]

I agree with much of what you say. Yes, there are a lot of charlatans

out there. However, your revered " real medical journals " and

" scientific explanations " are, more often than not, hogwash! They

mostly serve to brainwash both medical practitioners and patients. They

ignore, and sneeringly refer to thousands of years of success as

" anecdotal evidence. " The studies that these journals and explanations

publish are virtually all written by pharmaceutical companies and

Universities with funding from pharmaceutical companies.

When a doctor is taken to court for malpractice, one of the first

questions asked is " did you follow the " standard of Care? " If the

answer is " no " , it's guilty as charged. Where does this " Standard of

Care " come from? It comes from a little book called " The Physician's

Desk Reference " (PDR). Where does the PDR come from? IT IS WRITTEN BY

THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES!

I will post the article that i just put on " The World Wide Web Virtual

Library: Sumeria " last night, " The Myth that Makes You Sick " right

after i send this <http://www.sumeria.net/health/bestmedicine.html>. I

suggest that you read it.

Medical Science is not even Science in that, more often than not, it

does not follow the scientific method!

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 11:07 AM, wrote:

> Hi, folks,

>

> This has probably been said before (I am new to this forum). As

> a health consultant I worry about the kinds of therapies that people

> are undertaking for this dread disease.

>

> There are many therapies that claim to work, but the science is

> shoddy and the verifiable medical testing and follow-up of patients

> is not done. For example, here's how a purposeful or

> inadvertent " numbers game " happens: if someone does not really have

> cancer (but is convinced that they do), and 700 out of 1000 such

> people who are " treated " do not die of cancer and 300 people die,

> then the person running the treatment program can claim a 70% cure

> rate, even though the therapy did absolutely nothing.

>

> These are the guidelines I usually tell people to look for when

> they are looking for therapies that really work:

>

> 1. Look for citations to articles written in real medical journals or

> presented at scientific conferences that show how and why the therapy

> works. Even though the medical establishment doesn't like natural

> therapies, there are professional medical journals devoted to

> alternative medicine, such as the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine.

>

> 2. Look for scientific explanations that you can understand and make

> sense to you. Don't readily accept claims which sound weird, such

> as " making your blood alkaline stops cancer " or " parasites are the

> cause of all disease " or " a simple electronic device can measure

> whether you have cancer " or " this is the cure for all diseases. "

>

> 3. Look for therapies that do not require you to travel to other

> countries. Many so-called " alternative cancer clinics " that cannot

> help you but will take your money are located in countries like

> Mexico, where the standards for medical care are poor.

>

> 4. Look for therapies that have documented evidence that they work.

> There should be Ultrafast CT scans, blood tests, MRIs, and biopsies

> before and after treatment, proving that people who have been treated

> really had the disease and were tested afterwards by standard medical

> practices to verify that the therapy was successful.

>

> 5. Look for therapies that have no " secret " ingredients. Reputable

> medical researchers and clinicians dedicated to fight disease make

> their discoveries public knowledge.

>

> There are only 2 cancer regimens that I have come across that meet

> all of those guidelines:

>

> 1. Dr. Matthias Rath's protease inhibition therapy. Cancer spreads by

> destroying collagen, using an enzyme called protease. Rath discovered

> that a combination of vitamin C, lysine, proline, and green tea

> extract neutralized protease.

>

> Rath's research website is: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org

>

> Rath sells his integrated regimen through a commercial outlet, the

> Rath Health Alliance. He makes no secret of the ingredients of the

> regimen, which I recommend to my cancer clients, who buy the

> supplements at local health food stores. (See my website for more

> information).

>

> The regimen is astoundingly effective against most cancers, because

> it focuses on the common mechanism that all cancers use to spread. It

> is effective against metastatic cancer.

>

> The advantage of Rath's therapy is that you are in charge of your own

> health, using your oncologist to monitor your progress.

>

> 2. Dr. Hugh Riordan's intravenous IV vitamin C therapy. Riordan's

> Center For The Improvement Of Human Functioning International has

> been using intravenous vitamin C to successfully reverse cancer for

> more than a decade. His website is:

>

> http://www.brightspot.org

>

> Finding a clinic willing to administer the Riordan therapy may be

> difficult. In California, you can see Cathcart:

>

> http://www.orthomed.com

>

> The Riordan therapy needs supervision by a naturopathic oriented

> doctor.

>

> I welcome anyone seeking help for cancer to reach me through my

> website.

>

> Regards

>

> Alternative Health Consultant

> http://www.cqs.com

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

AIDS, the entire industry and social machinery of it is, at

its root, a totalitarian system. By that, I mean that there is

a central ideology that seeks to enforce its domination by

methodically obstructing any ideas that run counter to it.

-- Celia Farber

[Guest guest]

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At 19:07 Uhr +0100 26.03.2003, wrote:

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> There are many therapies that claim to work, but the science is

>shoddy and the verifiable medical testing and follow-up of patients

>is not done. For example, here's how a purposeful or

>inadvertent " numbers game " happens: if someone does not really have

>cancer (but is convinced that they do), and 700 out of 1000 such

>people who are " treated " do not die of cancer and 300 people die,

>then the person running the treatment program can claim a 70% cure

>rate, even though the therapy did absolutely nothing.

Like the 80% cure rate claimed by urologists?

The guys are incontinent and impotent but they are alive 5 years post-op.

The picture is also made up by the huge number of unnessecary

operations.

You know the 'Golden Standards'?

Ectomies of tonsils, appendix, uterus breast and prostate.

>1. Look for citations to articles written in real medical journals or

>presented at scientific conferences that show how and why the therapy

>works. Even though the medical establishment doesn't like natural

>therapies, there are professional medical journals devoted to

>alternative medicine, such as the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine.

Studies are paid by the pharma industry.

>4. Look for therapies that have documented evidence that they work.

>There should be Ultrafast CT scans, blood tests, MRIs, and biopsies

>before and after treatment, proving that people who have been treated

>really had the disease and were tested afterwards by standard medical

>practices to verify that the therapy was successful.

Scans and biopsies are not therapies.

The results of 'standard medical practice' can be observed in this

group.

Biopsies, e.g. in prostates, may spread cancer cells.

>5. Look for therapies that have no " secret " ingredients. Reputable

>medical researchers and clinicians dedicated to fight disease make

>their discoveries public knowledge.

Best example: The oil-protein therapy by Dr Budwig.

>There are only 2 cancer regimens that I have come across that meet

>all of those guidelines:

You are free to learn more.

>1. Dr. Matthias Rath's protease inhibition therapy. Cancer spreads by

>destroying collagen, using an enzyme called protease. Rath discovered

>that a combination of vitamin C, lysine, proline, and green tea

>extract neutralized protease.

>

>Rath's research website is: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org

>

>Rath sells his integrated regimen through a commercial outlet,

The term 'commercial' fits.

>I welcome anyone seeking help for cancer to reach me through my

>website.

That's 'your' commercial outlet?

Regards

[Guest guest]

Hello ;

Welcome to our little group...Please do not be offended by my " thoughts " as they

are just a reflection of how I'm feeling today..I'm glad to see that you have

supplied another avenue of healing rather than simply " putting down " those

things or methods that we are already involved in..Regardless of what you say

about the " sloppiness " of Dr's protocols; one has to TRY IT FIRST and then

make a judgement..I have done so.(it only takes a week).and found immediate

relief, and I suppose that there are hundreds on here that may have tried it as

well; and would say AMEN..

I make no claim that her method is the " END ALL' of treatments; but it's a good

start..As far as searching and checking out " medically approved " methods; one

has to be learned in the " jargon " which you professionals have evolved over the

years to keep the great unwashed public ignorant of what's really going on in

scientific circles..The medical profession has shut us out and in fact is

killing us by the thousands every day...

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It would appear that " we as sheep are appointed to the slaughter " ; and yet we

open not our mouths for fear of the great high priests of the temples of CANCER

RESEARCH.

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I would like to ask you...

Have you personally defeated cancer by these methods that you approve?..

Do you believe that parasites have ANYTHING TO DO WITH CANCER?

Are you telling us that the parasite cleanse in conjunctions with other methods,

is useless in helping to defeat cancer?

Have you had cancer and are now cured?

How much would this treatment cost as opposed to the treatments that we can

afford?

Have you tried using a zapper to see if indeed it does alleviate pain or kill

pathogens?

I have found that there are times when after a zapper treatment; I feel

woozy..Is it true that parasites when they are being killed; give off toxins to

defend themselves?

Could this be the source of my " wooziness " or am I some " psychosomatic " idiot?

If someone has developed a cure for cancer; but hasn't the millions of dollars

needed to have their method approved by the " professionals-high priests " ; does

this negate it's credibility or usefullness?

These are just a few questions and I have to admit that I'm a rank amateur at

understanding the jargon that's sometimes used on here; and in fact for those of

us that are new at this game of having to deal with the pain and the negativity

of our oncologists who literally curse us for opting for alternative methods; we

find little if any comfort in your " professional " input; and in fact would

rather hear from someone who has " been there..done that. " Explain what your

method is in plain language, and give a testimony of how you have been healed

using this method..or at least the testimony of someone you know who was close

to you..I delight in people who have used treatments on their dogs and cats and

reported a good report..I believe their " simple " testimonies as I had a dog once

that became a vegetarian and lived to a ripe old age of fifteen, which is great

for a large dog.

I notice that you are aware of " cooking the numbers " and I've found this being

used by the Cancer Industry time and time again..It's nothing new and we are not

so ignorant as to be taken in by such a ruse as this..I am of the opinion that

there ~~~IS NO CURE FOR CANCER~~~..and that it is a disease brought about by

age; toxins; and even our " spiritual " state of mind..It is a disease that must

be fought on all fronts which includes the parasite cleanse and then a

combination of every method that appears to be of beneficial use and " makes

sense " ; and some that don't even do that.. " Faith " in a healing method and/or a

supreme power such as Jesus Christ is also necessary and cannot be omitted; much

as some fools would deign to do..I believe were it not for my faith and all of

these methods; I would be long gone by now..I am 65 years of age now; and yet I

believe that by being very careful with this body and spirit of mine; I will go

on many more years; but at the same time always knowing that ~~~SIN AND CANCER

LIETH AT THE DOOR~~~; but it is my hope and prayer that I will die of old age

before I die of my life being snuffed out by tumours or " medical procedures " .

Let's face it...there is something rather mysterious about this disease which

intrudes upon the realms of the mystical.

I also firmly believe that if God says it's MY TIME TO GO...well then; BYE

BYE...see your later..as there are no treatments or methods that can save

me..but thank God; heaven awaits me; so " no sweat " really.. When I finally

retire for the day; I find comfort in my " faith " ; almost as though being wrapped

warmly in heavenly arms..and then awaiting dreams and visions to instruct me for

the coming day...Bye for now..I'm off to the ozonated pool and hot tub where we

go swimming..

melville ;-)

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ps...Have you checked out the Cansema site, and looked at the " eye-poppin "

pictures and read the testimonies..There's nothing highly technical; nor even

mysterious; but simply the good use of herbal ingredients..I've found that this

Cansema Tonic 1 and the capsules is having a very positive affect and appears to

be shrinking these tumours..HALLELUJAH!!! Sure tastes awful though..Yechchch

;-(

http://www.altcancer.com/

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[ ] natural cancer therapies

Hi, folks,

This has probably been said before (I am new to this forum). As a health

consultant I worry about the kinds of therapies that people are undertaking for

this dread disease.

There are many therapies that claim to work, but the science is shoddy and the

verifiable medical testing and follow-up of patients is not done. For example,

here's how a purposeful or inadvertent " numbers game " happens: if someone does

not really have cancer (but is convinced that they do), and 700 out of 1000 such

people who are " treated " do not die of cancer and 300 people die, then the

person running the treatment program can claim a 70% cure rate, even though the

therapy did absolutely nothing.

These are the guidelines I usually tell people to look for when they are looking

for therapies that really work:

1. Look for citations to articles written in real medical journals or presented

at scientific conferences that show how and why the therapy works. Even though

the medical establishment doesn't like natural therapies, there are professional

medical journals devoted to alternative medicine, such as the Journal of

Orthomolecular Medicine.

2. Look for scientific explanations that you can understand and make sense to

you. Don't readily accept claims which sound weird, such as " making your blood

alkaline stops cancer " or " parasites are the cause of all disease " or " a simple

electronic device can measure whether you have cancer " or " this is the cure for

all diseases. "

3. Look for therapies that do not require you to travel to other countries. Many

so-called " alternative cancer clinics " that cannot help you but will take your

money are located in countries like Mexico, where the standards for medical care

are poor.

4. Look for therapies that have documented evidence that they work. There should

be Ultrafast CT scans, blood tests, MRIs, and biopsies before and after

treatment, proving that people who have been treated really had the disease and

were tested afterwards by standard medical practices to verify that the therapy

was successful.

5. Look for therapies that have no " secret " ingredients. Reputable medical

researchers and clinicians dedicated to fight disease make their discoveries

public knowledge.

There are only 2 cancer regimens that I have come across that meet all of those

guidelines:

1. Dr. Matthias Rath's protease inhibition therapy. Cancer spreads by destroying

collagen, using an enzyme called protease. Rath discovered that a combination of

vitamin C, lysine, proline, and green tea extract neutralized protease.

Rath's research website is: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org

Rath sells his integrated regimen through a commercial outlet, the Rath Health

Alliance. He makes no secret of the ingredients of the regimen, which I

recommend to my cancer clients, who buy the supplements at local health food

stores. (See my website for more information).

The regimen is astoundingly effective against most cancers, because it focuses

on the common mechanism that all cancers use to spread. It is effective against

metastatic cancer.

The advantage of Rath's therapy is that you are in charge of your own health,

using your oncologist to monitor your progress.

2. Dr. Hugh Riordan's intravenous IV vitamin C therapy. Riordan's Center For The

Improvement Of Human Functioning International has been using intravenous

vitamin C to successfully reverse cancer for more than a decade. His website is:

http://www.brightspot.org

Finding a clinic willing to administer the Riordan therapy may be difficult. In

California, you can see Cathcart:

http://www.orthomed.com

The Riordan therapy needs supervision by a naturopathic oriented doctor.

I welcome anyone seeking help for cancer to reach me through my website.

Regards Alternative Health Consultant http://www.cqs.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Neil/,

Not angry, facinated. Well said Neil.

Les Catterall

Neil Jensen wrote:

>

> I agree with much of what you say. Yes, there are a lot of charlatans

> out there. However, your revered " real medical journals " and

> " scientific explanations " are, more often than not, hogwash! They

> mostly serve to brainwash both medical practitioners and patients. They

> ignore, and sneeringly refer to thousands of years of success as

> " anecdotal evidence. " The studies that these journals and explanations

> publish are virtually all written by pharmaceutical companies and

> Universities with funding from pharmaceutical companies.

>

> When a doctor is taken to court for malpractice, one of the first

> questions asked is " did you follow the " standard of Care? " If the

> answer is " no " , it's guilty as charged. Where does this " Standard of

> Care " come from? It comes from a little book called " The Physician's

> Desk Reference " (PDR). Where does the PDR come from? IT IS WRITTEN BY

> THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES!

>

> I will post the article that i just put on " The World Wide Web Virtual

> Library: Sumeria " last night, " The Myth that Makes You Sick " right

> after i send this <http://www.sumeria.net/health/bestmedicine.html>. I

> suggest that you read it.

>

> Medical Science is not even Science in that, more often than not, it

> does not follow the scientific method!

>

> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 11:07 AM, wrote:

>

> > Hi, folks,

> >

> > This has probably been said before (I am new to this forum). As

> > a health consultant I worry about the kinds of therapies that people

> > are undertaking for this dread disease.

> >

> > There are many therapies that claim to work, but the science is

> > shoddy and the verifiable medical testing and follow-up of patients

> > is not done.

> > :

> > :

> >

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU AND WELL SAID BROTHER!!!

melville ;-)

Re: [ ] natural cancer therapies

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At 19:07 Uhr +0100 26.03.2003, wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] natural cancer therapies

Hi Neil/,

Not angry, facinated. Well said Neil.

Les Catterall

I agree...Well said Neil..Anger and bitterness are just not part of our

protocols; eh?

melville ;-)

Neil Jensen wrote:

>

> I agree with much of what you say. Yes, there are a lot of charlatans

> out there. However, your revered " real medical journals " and

> " scientific explanations " are, more often than not, hogwash! They

> mostly serve to brainwash both medical practitioners and patients.

[Guest guest]

Right on, Niel! If we waited for everything to be done

'properly' through scientific studies, we wouldn't be here

to tell about it. I have had an awful lot of GOOD successes

with various ailments using a supplement(s) or a method that

someone had told me about that was successful for them.....

dare I use the word, 'testimonial'.

HELEN

>

> > Hi, folks,

> >

> > This has probably been said before (I am new to this forum).

As

> > a health consultant I worry about the kinds of therapies that

people

> > are undertaking for this dread disease.

> >

[Guest guest]

Right on, ! It is so great to hear people thinking for

themselves. Not everything has to have 'scientific evidence'.

People have died waiting for that. Great!

HELEN

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Aparently so ;-)

On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 02:46 AM, Helen wrote:

> dare I use the word, 'testimonial'

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" It was always much pleasanter... when one wasn't always

being ordered about by mice and rabbits. " -- Alice

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Mel and Neil.....HELEN

>

> > dare I use the word, 'testimonial'

>

> --

> Neil Jensen: neil@s...

> The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

> " It was always much pleasanter... when one wasn't always

> being ordered about by mice and rabbits. " -- Alice

[Guest guest]

,

I strongly disagree with many statements from your " guidelines " that you

" usually tell people to look for when they are looking for therapies that really

work: "

If you are truely worried about the kinds of therapies people are on and want to

give some good advice I suggest you first read and learn about the therapies you

are now warning your patients against.

There are tons of books to read a great one to understand the history of the

crimes to humanity that the AMA its journal JAMA, National Cancer Institute

(NCI) and the FDA have perpetrated is " Politic In Healing " by former legislator

Haley.

Good advice for people who are sick is to read " Politic In Healing " by

Haley.

http://www.politicsinhealing.com/index.htm

Another good book is " The Medical Mafia " by Guylaine Lanctôt M.D.

http://www.personocratia.com/english/frames/mafia_medicale_home.html

Sub-titled " How to get out of it alive and take back your health and wealth. "

Another little tid bit of advice if I can be so bold is follow your patients or

people in your area who have healed of some dreadful disease. When I started my

practice I thought Dr.s work was so arrogant I never ever would read her

" Cure For All Diseases " until I meet a women who had fully recovered from MS who

followed the program.

Be well,

wrote:

This has probably been said before (I am new to this forum). As

a health consultant I worry about the kinds of therapies that people

are undertaking for this dread disease.

There are many therapies that claim to work, but the science is

shoddy and the verifiable medical testing and follow-up of patients

is not done. For example, here's how a purposeful or

inadvertent " numbers game " happens: if someone does not really have

cancer (but is convinced that they do), and 700 out of 1000 such

people who are " treated " do not die of cancer and 300 people die,

then the person running the treatment program can claim a 70% cure

rate, even though the therapy did absolutely nothing.

These are the guidelines I usually tell people to look for when

they are looking for therapies that really work:

1. Look for citations to articles written in real medical journals or

presented at scientific conferences that show how and why the therapy

works. Even though the medical establishment doesn't like natural

therapies, there are professional medical journals devoted to

alternative medicine, such as the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine.

2. Look for scientific explanations that you can understand and make

sense to you. Don't readily accept claims which sound weird, such

as " making your blood alkaline stops cancer " or " parasites are the

cause of all disease " or " a simple electronic device can measure

whether you have cancer " or " this is the cure for all diseases. "

3. Look for therapies that do not require you to travel to other

countries. Many so-called " alternative cancer clinics " that cannot

help you but will take your money are located in countries like

Mexico, where the standards for medical care are poor.

4. Look for therapies that have documented evidence that they work.

There should be Ultrafast CT scans, blood tests, MRIs, and biopsies

before and after treatment, proving that people who have been treated

really had the disease and were tested afterwards by standard medical

practices to verify that the therapy was successful.

5. Look for therapies that have no " secret " ingredients. Reputable

medical researchers and clinicians dedicated to fight disease make

their discoveries public knowledge.

There are only 2 cancer regimens that I have come across that meet

all of those guidelines:

1. Dr. Matthias Rath's protease inhibition therapy. Cancer spreads by

destroying collagen, using an enzyme called protease. Rath discovered

that a combination of vitamin C, lysine, proline, and green tea

extract neutralized protease.

Rath's research website is: http://www.stopping-cancer-naturally.org

Rath sells his integrated regimen through a commercial outlet, the

Rath Health Alliance. He makes no secret of the ingredients of the

regimen, which I recommend to my cancer clients, who buy the

supplements at local health food stores. (See my website for more

information).

The regimen is astoundingly effective against most cancers, because

it focuses on the common mechanism that all cancers use to spread. It

is effective against metastatic cancer.

The advantage of Rath's therapy is that you are in charge of your own

health, using your oncologist to monitor your progress.

2. Dr. Hugh Riordan's intravenous IV vitamin C therapy. Riordan's

Center For The Improvement Of Human Functioning International has

been using intravenous vitamin C to successfully reverse cancer for

more than a decade. His website is:

http://www.brightspot.org

Finding a clinic willing to administer the Riordan therapy may be

difficult. In California, you can see Cathcart:

http://www.orthomed.com

The Riordan therapy needs supervision by a naturopathic oriented

doctor.

I welcome anyone seeking help for cancer to reach me through my

website.

Regards

Alternative Health Consultant

http://www.cqs.com