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Cliff I like your thinking. Whether you agree

with someone or not at least you THINK about

it, considering all the angles and just don't

give in to faith alone, as miraculous as it may

sometimes be. I too have my cottage cheese

and Barlean's daily, as well as 7 apricot seeds,

and the experimental stuff mentioned.

Out of 150 Hoxsey files I randomly looked

at (there were thousands), 37 resulted in death

within 90 days of treatment. They were already

pretty well gone. It's unknown how well they

followed the regimen once they left the clinic.

In most cases there was no one to contact or

they didn't want to talk about it. All the others

benefited for a year or more. There are many

more statistics but not readily available to me

right now. Best, JR

Hi JR,

Thanks for your reply. These people certainly would have died without the

Hoxsey treatment.

Now the question, of course, is what percentage of the total number who have

undergone this treatment did not make it all those years?

Recognizing that many did come through well, how many did not? Are there

solid stastistics in this area?

The percentage of those who do not survive permanently with chemo is very

high. My Oncologist says that no doctor believes that cancer is ever cured.

They just try to stay ahead of it as long as possible. I know I am too

adamant. Chemo probably does have some value in some situations. I deserve

a rebuke at times. It really does help the salesmen selling Mercedes to the

ones who profit the most.

I know that there are different nutritional and natural things that stop

cancer. When I knew of nothing else The Lord put the info about Dr.

Budwig's approach in my hand and I am here after nine years and 5 months

since I was found to be stage 4 PCa. Apparently Hoxsey's approach would not

have helped me.

In the last nine years we have seen this approach stop every kind of cancer

that I know of.

If it would lose its effectiveness for me my next line of defense would be

Bill i's Agaracus Mushroom extract.

As far as I am concerned, the real enemy is the medical establishement. An

example is their desperate attempt to let The Navarro boy have a chance when

the chemo and radiation they are demanding in the name of income would

destroy him in many ways or kill him and they know it. There will be a day

of reckoning that will be awesome and permanent.

I am interested in Hoxsey's approach, Dr. Budwig's approach, and quite a

number of others that have been shown to be quite effective. The Oncologist

I see believes that cancer is nutritional and I believe that also.

The problem is that with our complex bodies that differ even from each other

knowing exactly what to do is a real problem.

Most doctors have very little training in nutrition.

Best wishes

Cliff

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In a message dated 01/26/2002 4:30:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jinouy01@... writes:

> What is the best source of Hoxsey?

The only 1 I know of is the 1 from Gaia Herbs. I heard of another 1 once but

forgot where.

For general info about Hoxsey treatment

www.hoxsey.com

http://hoxsey.tripod.com

www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/summary/hoxsey.htm

http://commonweal.org/herbs.html

healingwords@...

History of Hoxsey Treatment. Townsend Letter Special Features

www.tldp.com/issue/166/166hoxs.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/hoxstorfromp.html

For a list of hoxsey websites, see http://hoxsey.homepage.com

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I like Gaia herbs and have used them another formula called Red Clover Combo is

what I presently order for a Hoxsey formula 1 gallon for $279.00 Canadian

Dollars or about $175.00 USD from St. Frances Herb Farm.

Ingredients:Red Clover, Licorice, Buckthorn, Burdock Seed, Stillinga Root,

Oregon Grape, Phytolacca, Prickly Ash, Wild Indigo, Potassium Iodide (3%w/v)

http://stfrancisherbfarm.com/

Rand

leonardleonard1@... wrote: In a message dated 01/26/2002 4:30:37 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

jinouy01@... writes:

> What is the best source of Hoxsey?

The only 1 I know of is the 1 from Gaia Herbs. I heard of another 1 once but

forgot where.

For general info about Hoxsey treatment

www.hoxsey.com

http://hoxsey.tripod.com

www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/summary/hoxsey.htm

http://commonweal.org/herbs.html

healingwords@...

History of Hoxsey Treatment. Townsend Letter Special Features

www.tldp.com/issue/166/166hoxs.htm

www.annieappleseedproject.org/hoxstorfromp.html

For a list of hoxsey websites, see http://hoxsey.homepage.com

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Donna, Two years ago, after noticing a patch of skin on my arm that came

and went, and would ocassionally bleed, (would pretty much go away when

exposed to Rife Plasma Lamp emissions, but returned..) I had a 3mm punch

biopsy which came back as basal cell carcinoma, BCC, with cancer cells

in the margins of the punch. Time to let the biopsy heal, at which time

I put Black Salve on it. The salve bubbled up in three places around

where the punch was, eventually dried (several applications later),

crusted over, and flaked off. Later surgery (insurance company) of the

patch of skin (giving me a 4-inch scar) and pathology came back no BCC

found in the flap of skin.

Note that this was BCC, not melanoma. Melanoma bores down and spreads

internally, and is very very dangerous, deadly, and fast! A friend died

from a melanoma spot on her back.

So, the Black Salve worked for me, and if I get another patch of BCC

I'll try the Black Salve first. Version I used was Cansema.

PS - According to the Hoxsey videotape, Hoxsey won his lawsuit against

the former head of the AMA Dr. Fishbein, and Fishbein admitted in

court that Hoxsey's salve did cure external cancers. Hoxsey said it

worked with cancers anywhere. The medical " Experts " in the US still ran

Hoxsey out of the country.

For a large patch of skin, or internal cancers such as breast cancer, it

may be very painful to use the salve, and pain relief from the MD may be

necessary. Supposedly the MDs are required to give prescriptions for

pain relief if pressed for them (in the US.)

A google search on " escharotic " may be helpful.

Healings,

Dave

Donna wrote:

> Would surely appreciate any info, experience using Hoxsey? Several

> months ago I tried to get the herbs to make it myself and could not

> find them all. Any other brand names it might be sold under at the

> Health Food store? Any known contraindications? Thanks, Donna

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I use the cansema salve as well. I had melanoma 2 ys ago and over 1800 moles

(they actually count them >>>ROFL... ) on my body.

I had several fall off with the salve, it is a very interesting process.. if U

put the salve on, some moles react, others don't....

Obviously, it is not possible to watch 1864 moles closely or to take them out.

Every three months I lose some and new ones come back at another spot..

I put the salve on moles where I noticed a color change. If the salve does not

react, it is not supposed to be cancerous cells. However, trust is good, control

is better, I had moles taken out due to intense color changes. The mole did not

react with the salve before and the biopsy report came back " abnormal " cells,

but not cancerous (yet). Still, allopathic medicine follows up with a Wide

Incision due to the danger of melanoma.

I believe Hoxsey also recommened a drink/tea/juice, never tried this. I was on

Essiac and Breuss.

Fairly similiar, if I remember it right.

Hope that helps,

Sybille

Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:

Donna, Two years ago, after noticing a patch of skin on my arm that came and

went, and would ocassionally bleed, (would pretty much go away when exposed to

Rife Plasma Lamp emissions, but returned..) I had a 3mm punch biopsy which came

back as basal cell carcinoma, BCC, with cancer cells in the margins of the

punch. Time to let the biopsy heal, at which time I put Black Salve on it. The

salve bubbled up in three places around where the punch was, eventually dried

(several applications later), crusted over, and flaked off. Later surgery

(insurance company) of the patch of skin (giving me a 4-inch scar) and pathology

came back no BCC found in the flap of skin.

Note that this was BCC, not melanoma. Melanoma bores down and spreads

internally, and is very very dangerous, deadly, and fast! A friend died from a

melanoma spot on her back.

So, the Black Salve worked for me, and if I get another patch of BCC

I'll try the Black Salve first. Version I used was Cansema.

PS - According to the Hoxsey videotape, Hoxsey won his lawsuit against the

former head of the AMA Dr. Fishbein, and Fishbein admitted in court that

Hoxsey's salve did cure external cancers. Hoxsey said it worked with cancers

anywhere. The medical " Experts " in the US still ran Hoxsey out of the country.

For a large patch of skin, or internal cancers such as breast cancer, it may be

very painful to use the salve, and pain relief from the MD may be necessary.

Supposedly the MDs are required to give prescriptions for pain relief if pressed

for them (in the US.)

A google search on " escharotic " may be helpful. Healings, Dave

Donna wrote:

> Would surely appreciate any info, experience using Hoxsey? Several

> months ago I tried to get the herbs to make it myself and could not

> find them all. Any other brand names it might be sold under at the

> Health Food store? Any known contraindications? Thanks, Donna

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Where do we get this salve. My mom has fare skin and recently she had so

many moles and wiard things happen to her skin. She had very very dry skin

with rashes on the face, now under the arms she has patches of skin rash

that come and go. Can I apply that salve,where do we get it?

Thanks,

Suzanna

Re: [ ] Hoxsey

I use the cansema salve as well. I had melanoma 2 ys ago and over 1800 moles

(they actually count them >>>ROFL... ) on my body. I had several fall off

with the salve, it is a very interesting process.. if U put the salve on,

some moles react, others don't.... Obviously, it is not possible to watch

1864 moles closely or to take them out. Every three months I lose some and

new ones come back at another spot..

I put the salve on moles where I noticed a color change. If the salve does

not react, it is not supposed to be cancerous cells. However, trust is good,

control is better, I had moles taken out due to intense color changes. The

mole did not react with the salve before and the biopsy report came back

" abnormal " cells, but not cancerous (yet). Still, allopathic medicine

follows up with a Wide Incision due to the danger of melanoma.

I believe Hoxsey also recommened a drink/tea/juice, never tried this. I was

on Essiac and Breuss. Fairly similiar, if I remember it right.

Hope that helps,

Sybille

Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:

Donna, Two years ago, after noticing a patch of skin on my arm that came and

went, and would ocassionally bleed, (would pretty much go away when exposed

to Rife Plasma Lamp emissions, but returned..) I had a 3mm punch biopsy

which came back as basal cell carcinoma, BCC, with cancer cells in the

margins of the punch. Time to let the biopsy heal, at which time I put Black

Salve on it. The salve bubbled up in three places around where the punch

was, eventually dried (several applications later), crusted over, and flaked

off. Later surgery (insurance company) of the patch of skin (giving me a

4-inch scar) and pathology came back no BCC found in the flap of skin. Note

that this was BCC, not melanoma. Melanoma bores down and spreads

internally, and is very very dangerous, deadly, and fast! A friend died from

a melanoma spot on her back. So, the Black Salve worked for me, and if I get

another patch of BCC

I'll try the Black Salve first. Version I used was Cansema.

PS - According to the Hoxsey videotape, Hoxsey won his lawsuit against the

former head of the AMA Dr. Fishbein, and Fishbein admitted in court

that Hoxsey's salve did cure external cancers. Hoxsey said it worked with

cancers anywhere. The medical " Experts " in the US still ran Hoxsey out of

the country. For a large patch of skin, or internal cancers such as breast

cancer, it may be very painful to use the salve, and pain relief from the MD

may be necessary. Supposedly the MDs are required to give prescriptions for

pain relief if pressed for them (in the US.) A google search on " escharotic "

may be helpful. Healings, Dave

Donna wrote:

> Would surely appreciate any info, experience using Hoxsey? Several

> months ago I tried to get the herbs to make it myself and could not

> find them all. Any other brand names it might be sold under at the

> Health Food store? Any known contraindications? Thanks, Donna

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Suzanna, you need to do a search on the internet for the cansema salve. There

are also several informational webpages out there which will answer your

questions in a very detailed fashion.

Good Luck!

" Melik-Israelian, Suzanna " <aram@...> wrote:

Where do we get this salve. My mom has fare skin and recently she had so

many moles and wiard things happen to her skin. She had very very dry skin

with rashes on the face, now under the arms she has patches of skin rash

that come and go. Can I apply that salve,where do we get it?

Thanks, Suzanna

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From: Sille [mailto:s_haut@...]

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:54 PM

I use the cansema salve as well. I had melanoma 2 ys ago and over 1800 moles

(they actually count them >>>ROFL... ) on my body. I had several fall off

with the salve, it is a very interesting process.. if U put the salve on,

some moles react, others don't.... Obviously, it is not possible to watch

1864 moles closely or to take them out. Every three months I lose some and

new ones come back at another spot..

I put the salve on moles where I noticed a color change. If the salve does

not react, it is not supposed to be cancerous cells. However, trust is good,

control is better, I had moles taken out due to intense color changes. The

mole did not react with the salve before and the biopsy report came back

" abnormal " cells, but not cancerous (yet). Still, allopathic medicine

follows up with a Wide Incision due to the danger of melanoma.

I believe Hoxsey also recommened a drink/tea/juice, never tried this. I was

on Essiac and Breuss. Fairly similiar, if I remember it right.

Hope that helps, Sybille

Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:

Donna, Two years ago, after noticing a patch of skin on my arm that came and

went, and would ocassionally bleed, (would pretty much go away when exposed

to Rife Plasma Lamp emissions, but returned..) I had a 3mm punch biopsy

which came back as basal cell carcinoma, BCC, with cancer cells in the

margins of the punch. Time to let the biopsy heal, at which time I put Black

Salve on it. The salve bubbled up in three places around where the punch

was, eventually dried (several applications later), crusted over, and flaked

off. Later surgery (insurance company) of the patch of skin (giving me a

4-inch scar) and pathology came back no BCC found in the flap of skin. Note

that this was BCC, not melanoma. Melanoma bores down and spreads

internally, and is very very dangerous, deadly, and fast! A friend died from

a melanoma spot on her back. So, the Black Salve worked for me, and if I get

another patch of BCC

I'll try the Black Salve first. Version I used was Cansema.

PS - According to the Hoxsey videotape, Hoxsey won his lawsuit against the

former head of the AMA Dr. Fishbein, and Fishbein admitted in court

that Hoxsey's salve did cure external cancers. Hoxsey said it worked with

cancers anywhere. The medical " Experts " in the US still ran Hoxsey out of

the country. For a large patch of skin, or internal cancers such as breast

cancer, it may be very painful to use the salve, and pain relief from the MD

may be necessary. Supposedly the MDs are required to give prescriptions for

pain relief if pressed for them (in the US.) A google search on " escharotic "

may be helpful. Healings, Dave

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Your notes are encouraging. Looking at the formula a lil closer,

seems like most all the ingredients are accessible except for

cascarda (sp). Im thinking I could make a sun tea with the rest of

the ingredients since so many of them are accessible in different

mediums like some tea bags, some capsules. Im thinking Dr Schultz

has something along the lines of Hoxsey, not sure about that though.

Thank you so very much for your input. Donna

>

> > Would surely appreciate any info, experience using Hoxsey?

Several

> > months ago I tried to get the herbs to make it myself and could

not

> > find them all. Any other brand names it might be sold under at

the

> > Health Food store? Any known contraindications? Thanks, Donna

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This link has a lot of really good information and does have a listing of some

of the ingredients used in the paste.

http://www.altcancer.com/bpaste.htm

Suzanna " <aram@...> wrote:

Where do we get this salve. My mom has fare skin and recently she had so

many moles and wiard things happen to her skin. She had very very dry skin with

rashes on the face, now under the arms she has patches of skin rash that come

and go. Can I apply that salve,where do we get it?

Thanks, Suzanna

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I haven't had time to read the messages on this board for along while,

but today I see that the subject of cansema has once again surfaced.

I'd like to warn people to be very careful when they use this

product. For those who are new to this group and don't know me. I am

the friend and caregiver for a man with squamous cell cancer of his

mouth who has been battling this disease for the past 3 1/2 yrs using

only alternative methods....no chemo or radiation or medical

assistance.

He discovered cansema tonic a couple of yrs ago when the cancer had

advanced from the floor of his mouth to his front lower gum. We found

the alpha omega labs and discovered the testimony of Ken Estes a man

with the same disease who claimed to have treated his cancer

successfully using cansema salve (blacksalve)....so Mel started using

the tonic and miraculously the tumour shrank tremendously! You can

read his testimony " Melville's Miracle " by following the links

provided at the site Zena provided below. In time though the tumour

started growing again despite using the tonic and it started to push

out on his chin. So he decided to use the salve on his chin. Within

weeks the tumour broke through the skin on his chin and he had a

painful ulcerated tumour to deal with. It has continued to grow since

that time. There was also a woman with breast cancer that used to

post here regularly and after using cansema salve on her tumour she

experienced the same thing...her tumour broke through the skin and

ulcerated.

I suspect this is the normal progression of cancerous tumours, and if

the cansema salve didn't contribute to the ulceration, it certainly

didn't help the situation and I believe accelerated the process.

Escharotic salves might be helpful for simple skin cancers, but I

would warn against using them on tumour forming cancers. I also wonder

why a person would risk using blacksalve to remove these spots of skin

cancer when they can be easily removed by a doctor?

I'd also like to stress that there are many, many testimonials on the

internet made by people, like Mel that saw immediate changes after

using a product and endorsed it. I'm sure many, like him, have found

in time that these products have proven NOT to be the silver bullet

they once believed them to be...but the testimonials remain for all to

read and believe.

BTW Alpha Omega labs that used to sell Cansema salve is closed and

their owner/herbalist Greg was jailed (I think of unconnected

charges)...but there are still others that sell " black salve " under a

variety of other names

Good health and God Bless.....

> Where do we get this salve. My mom has fare skin and recently she

had so

> many moles and wiard things happen to her skin. She had very very

dry skin with rashes on the face, now under the arms she has patches

of skin rash that come and go. Can I apply that salve,where do we get

it?

> Thanks, Suzanna

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Hi Donna,

HOXSEY FORMULA -- I think it's 1 of the best cancer-healing products

available.

" 15-30 drops 3x daily " [between meals]; for premenapausal women, " starting 7

days after period begins and continuing until the next period " (Kaur, 2004,

p. 84). It's a " powerful blood and lymph cleansing formula " ; stimulates

immune system. EDS tests very positive. Take in (preferably alcohol-free)

tincture form. Tomatoes, citrus fruit, vinegar (as well as alcohol and

processed flour, which should always be avoided), and other acidic foods can

inhibit the effectiveness of Hoxsey formula and thus should be strictly

avoided while using it.

From: " Donna " <donnadbd777@...>

> Any known contraindications?

Not that I know of, but I'd check w/a practitioner before using large doses

of a brand w/a lot of chapparal if I had liver problems.

> Hoxsey....Any other brand names it might be sold under at the

> Health Food store?

Once in a while I've seen the following brands in health-food stores:

" Hoxsey Red Clover Supreme " from www.gaiaherbs.com contains red clover,

buckthorn, barberry, burdock, Queen's root (stillingia sylvatica), poke

root, nettle leaf , cascara sagrada, licorice, prickly ash, and sweet orange

essence.

The Eclectic Inst.'s " Red Clover-Burdock " (www.eclecticherb.com/store.html)

contains red clover, burdock root & seed, Oregon grape root , stillingia

sylvatica, licorice, cascara sagrada aged bark, buckthorn, prickly ash

[contains coumarins], potassium iodide, bitter orange essential oil.

Alcohol-free.

AT/BC Formula-- " Contents: Red Clover, Blood root, Poke root, Oregon Grape

root, Yellow Dock, Burdock root & seed, Chaparral, Lobelia, Periwinkle

flowers, Mistletoe and Prickly Ash bark. Infused with Red, Green, Violet and

Indigo frequency..Assists the body in eliminating growths and cysts by

activating the lymph system and cleansing the blood " . This is a variation of

the Hoxsey formula.

The following are other brands that I haven't seen in health-food stores.

Blood Stream Formula (Red Clover Combination; glycerine extract;

alcohol-free; by Dr. )-- " Red clover blossoms, licorice root, poke

root, peach leaves, Oregon grape root, stillingia root, cascara sagrada

bark, sarsaparilla root, prickly ash bark, burdock root, and buckthorn bark "

www.herbsfirst.com/discriptions/redclover.html

www.herbsfirst.com/NewsLetters/0399cancer.html (Dr. 's treatment

of cancer)

Native Essence Herb Co.

" Red Clover blossom, Chaparral herb, Licorice root, Buckthorn bark, Burdock

root, Stillingia root, Poke root, Barberry root, Oregon Grape root, Cascara

Sagrada bark, Prickly Ash bark, Wild Indigo root and Sea Kelp "

" approximately 45% alcohol " . 15 to 45 drops 2-3 times daily

www.herbmed.com/hoxseyformula.html or

www.naturesalternatives.com/herbs/rbxp.html (website includes description of

each ingredient's properties); 877-877-0747

The following are variations on the Hoxsey formula (alcohol tinctures):

www.theherbalist.com/html/hoxsey_formula.html; 800-NWHERBS or 206-523-2600

Red Clover, Chapparal, Licorice, Oregon Grape, Burdock, Sarasparilla,

Echinacea, Prickly Ash; alcohol tincture

D-Tox Formula (Dr. Schulze)--Red Clover, Trzfolium pratense, Mojave

Chaparral, Larrea california, Oregon Grape root, Berberis aquifolium,

Burdock, Arctium lappa, Yellow Dock, Rumex crispus, Goldenseal, Hydrastis

canadensis, Garlic, Allium sativum, Cayenne, Capsicum annum, Poke root,

Phytolacca Bloodroot, Lobelia seeds, Lobelia inflata; alcohol tincture.

" Dilute in a few ounces of fresh juice, grape works the best.For general

use: 2 dropperfills (60 drops) 3 to 4 times a day for a week. You must

consume the entire bottle during the 5 Day Cleansing Program.Drink 64-128

ounces of liquid a day while taking this formula " Schulze

www.doctorrelation.com/THE%20AMERICAN/a34.php

From: " Donna " <donnadbd777@...>

> Some of them also have iodine

> and there is quite a bit of medical data showing increased incidences

> of breast cancer with the use of iodine/thyroid supplements

That doesn't mean it's harmful to people w/cancer. The Gerson clinics used

to give it to all their cancer patients and still gives it to many.

Incidentally, I believe the amount of iodine in Hoxsey's small, and I've

heard that Hoxsey formulas w/potassium iodide are more effective than those

w/o it.

For a list of hoxsey websites, www.hoxsey.com

For general info about Hoxsey treatment

www.hoxsey.tripod.com

www.curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=91 & db=5 & C0=779

www.commonweal.org/herbs.html

healingwords@...

www.annieappleseedproject.org/hoxstorfromp.html

www.iknowthecause.com

www.mdanderson.org/departments/CIMER/display.cfm?id=A0AAFDBB-ECA2-11D4-81010

0508B603A14 & method=displayFull & pn=6EB86A59-EBD9-11D4-810100508B603A14

www.tldp.com/issue/166/166hoxs.htm (History of Hoxsey Treatment. Townsend

Letter Special Features)

www.rosehealth.com/hoxsey.htm ( " magazine article from Kenny Ausubel... " When

Healing Becomes a Crime " )

www.healthy.net/asp/templates/book.asp?PageType=Book & ID=184 (chap. from

Walters's book Options)

" When Healing Becomes a Crime: The Amazing Story of the Hoxsey Cancer

Clinics and the Return of Alternative Therapies " (film)

Spain, Ward (1988, May) History of Hoxsey Treatment. Office of

Technological Assessment (OTA). www.hoxsey.tripod.com/ward.html or

www.tldp.com/issue/166/166hoxs.htm (Townsend Letter Special Features)

www.naturesalternatives.com/herbs/hoxseyarticle.html (chap. from Walters,

1993)

Let me know if you'd like info on salves. They can be very effective but

EXTREMELY painful.

> B vitamins...cancer feeds on them

Sometimes it feeds on some B vitamins; sometimes it's inhibited by them. I

wouldn't avoid them, but I wouldn't go out of my way to take them (except

niacin) if I had cancer unless I had a specific reason to.

Leonard

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Do you know if the increased incidences of b/c were shown to be with

iodine/thyroid together, or with either separately? I was thinking about

taking Armour but had b/c last year. Jillymeg

From: " Donna " <donnadbd777@...>

> Some of them also have iodine

> and there is quite a bit of medical data showing increased incidences

> of breast cancer with the use of iodine/thyroid supplements

That doesn't mean it's harmful to people w/cancer. The Gerson clinics used

to give it to all their cancer patients and still gives it to many.

Incidentally, I believe the amount of iodine in Hoxsey's small, and I've

heard that Hoxsey formulas w/potassium iodide are more effective than those

w/o it.

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I should note too that it does wonders for the psoriasis. That and the cod

liver oil, but definitely better with the Blood Stream formula, which does

help too with digestion, specifically being regular as she blushes, again. db

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