Re: Is Red Meat OK for Someone w/Cancer?

[Guest guest]

I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long you bought it

from an organic market and it was free range, hormone free, etc. Agree?

[Guest guest]

matter of opinion, I wouldn't eat any red meat of any kind under any

circumstances, it still has fat and cholesteral and other reasons I won't even

go into :-)

C

Woehrer <scott@...> wrote:

I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long you bought it

from an organic market and it was free range, hormone free, etc. Agree?

[Guest guest]

I would think, for a cancer patient, red meat should be minimized or

avoided regardless where it came from. Organic better than normal, but

least possible or none would be my personal opinion. Boring diet!

Quoted studies have shown that sugar and salt are most devastating to

the immune system, fyi.

-Dave

Woehrer wrote:

> I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long

you bought it from an organic market and it was free range,

hormone free, etc. Agree?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Red meat is excluded from many well-known cancer healing diets and

many scientific studies emphasized eating fruits, vegetables, and

grains. There is also the evidence of people eating a diet of low

animal protein, low processed and junk foods & having few cancers

[heart disease, etc.]in their culture, then moving to the U.S. or

another industrialized nation, adopting the food habits of that

nation and developing the same chronic illnesses, including cancer,

of the new culture.

The China Study followed the eating habits and lifestyle of over 6000

Chinese villagers over a period of years. There is now a book about

the conclusions. Here's a link & excerpts. You can find more info on

the web.

http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

" The research project culminated in a 20-year partnership of Cornell

University, Oxford University, and the Chinese Academy of Preventive

Medicine, a survey of diseases and lifestyle factors in rural China

and Taiwan. More commonly known as the China Study, " this project

eventually produced more than 8000 statistically significant

associations between various dietary factors and disease. "

" The findings? " People who ate the most animal-based foods got the

most chronic disease … People who ate the most plant-based foods were

the healthiest and tended to avoid chronic disease. These results

could not be ignored, " said Dr. . "

*************

Sandy

Woehrer <scott@t...> wrote:

> I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long you

bought it from an organic market and it was free range, hormone free,

etc. Agree?

[Guest guest]

What about Celtic salt?

Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:I would think, for a cancer patient, red meat

should be minimized or

avoided regardless where it came from. Organic better than normal, but

least possible or none would be my personal opinion. Boring diet!

Quoted studies have shown that sugar and salt are most devastating to

the immune system, fyi.

Woehrer wrote:

> I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long

you bought it from an organic market and it was free range,

hormone free, etc. Agree?

>

[Guest guest]

As best I know, any salt drops the immune cells down badly. Sugar, I had

expected, but Salt doing it too was a surprise!

Zena Enlow wrote:

> What about Celtic salt?

>

>

> Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:I would think, for a cancer patient, red

meat should be minimized or

> avoided regardless where it came from. Organic better than normal, but

> least possible or none would be my personal opinion. Boring diet!

>

> Quoted studies have shown that sugar and salt are most devastating to

> the immune system, fyi.

>

>

> Woehrer wrote:

>

>

>>I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long

>

> you bought it from an organic market and it was free range,

> hormone free, etc. Agree?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had never heard that about salt dropping the immune system...I knew sugar

does.

Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:As best I know, any salt drops the immune

cells down badly. Sugar, I had

expected, but Salt doing it too was a surprise!

Zena Enlow wrote:

> What about Celtic salt?

>

>

> Dave <feltdd@...> wrote:I would think, for a cancer patient, red

meat should be minimized or

> avoided regardless where it came from. Organic better than normal, but

> least possible or none would be my personal opinion. Boring diet!

>

> Quoted studies have shown that sugar and salt are most devastating to

> the immune system, fyi.

>

>

> Woehrer wrote:

>>I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long

>

> you bought it from an organic market and it was free range,

> hormone free, etc. Agree?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We were told by Dr Jeannie Wallace, a nutritionalist whom

specializes in brain tumors, that free range meat had the same omega

3 ratio as cold water fish. She said as long as it was free range

it was ok to have (I think) 2 times a week.

> I just want to make sure completely excluding hormone-free/range

red meat isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the bias many of us have

after hearing for years of it's dangers because of the injections

and such -- and yes, the higher cholesterol in certain portions of

red meat.

> > But have we thoughtlessly demonized it? It's almost as if chicken

and fish-eating folks (yes, meat-eaters) have developed an almost

moral aversion to red meat like a vegan might... and still eat other

meats. Roast beef is leaner than turkey, yes? If it's free-range and

free of everything else (like the bison and ostrich offered at

Henry's Marketplace here in Orange County), is there a reason leaner

red meat shouldn't also be on the table?

> Thanks in advance for your helpful replies,

>

> Olson <sanols02@y...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Red meat is excluded from many well-known cancer healing diets and

> many scientific studies emphasized eating fruits, vegetables, and

> grains. There is also the evidence of people eating a diet of low

> animal protein, low processed and junk foods & having few cancers

> [heart disease, etc.]in their culture, then moving to the U.S. or

> another industrialized nation, adopting the food habits of that

> nation and developing the same chronic illnesses, including

cancer, of the new culture.

>

> The China Study followed the eating habits and lifestyle of over

6000 Chinese villagers over a period of years. There is now a book

about the conclusions. Here's a link & excerpts. You can find

more info on the web.

>

> http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

>

> " The research project culminated in a 20-year partnership of

Cornell University, Oxford University, and the Chinese Academy of

Preventive Medicine, a survey of diseases and lifestyle factors

in rural China and Taiwan. More commonly known as the China Study,

" this project eventually produced more than 8000 statistically

significant associations between various dietary factors and disease. "

>

> " The findings? " People who ate the most animal-based foods got the

> most chronic disease ; People who ate the most plant-based

foods were the healthiest and tended to avoid chronic disease.

These results could not be ignored, " said Dr. . "

> *************

>

> Sandy

>

> Woehrer <scott@t...> wrote:

> > I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long

you bought it from an organic market and it was free range, hormone

free, etc. Agree?

[Guest guest]

From: " Woehrer " <scott@...>

> I have a question: my ND just told me red meat was okay as long you bought

it from an organic market and it was free range, hormone free, etc. Agree?

I think that's an overstatement. Free-range & hormone/antibiotic free (which

most health-food store and Whole Foods meat is) is much better than

conventional, organic's much better still, and GRASS-FED (which is generally

available only from local farms and perhaps farmers markets, except for NEW

ZEALAND and ICELANDIC LAMB) is much better still. So long as one has cancer,

I still think it's safest to stick w/poultry and deep-sea fish.

From: " cindylstorc " <jcstorc@...>

> We were told by Dr Jeannie Wallace, a nutritionalist whom

> specializes in brain tumors, that free range meat had the same omega

> 3 ratio as cold water fish.

I don't recall hearing that free-range meat has a high omega 3 ratio

(certainly not nearly as high as fish) and doubt that it does, UNLESS it's

truly GRASS-FED.

> She said as long as it was free range

> it was ok to have (I think) 2 times a week.

I think that's a reasonable statement.

Aside from the above issues, I think Jeanne Wallace is excellent. I plan to

see her speak this weekend at the healingjourneys.org conference.