Mom is going ahead with chemo, what can I do now?

[Guest guest]

My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it,

but I also can't argue with her about it anymore. I am also dealing

with family members who have their hopes somehow wrapped up in

chemotherapy treatments, and they don't want to hear about

anything " weird " from me.

I have started her on a mostly raw food/juice diet so far, but I don't

know where to go from here. I don't want to give her anything that

will worsen her side effects by upsetting her stomach (we had planned

to do a detox but I don't think I should do that while she is

undergoing chemo treatment).

This is so frustrating. She is pretty open to whatever I want to do

with diet, and I think I can get her to drink different teas. She's

reluctant to take anything she hasn't heard of as far as supplements

go. Plus, she's already taking SO MANY PILLS (pain medications), I

can't see her agreeing to a big pile of vitamins on top of them. Are

there liquid forms of vitamin supplements?

I am looking to make her as comfortable as possible in the short time

she has left. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Your message is almost the same as one posted a couple hours earlier

today. In the files of this group is information about three cancer

healing diets that have helped thousands of people to get well. But

all three are for people who are off of chemo. The idea is to get

the body back to a normal state, which would be without

chemicals. However, these diets may help your mom to get through the

chemo treatments more easily. You are already on the right track

with raw foods and juices. Below is the link to the files. Look for

Budwig Protocol, Gerson Therapy and Living Foods Diet. Each of them

have saved the lives of many terminally ill people and restored

their health.

/files/

Best wishes,

hillman_acres wrote:

My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

> going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make

her

> live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get

it,

> but I also can't argue with her about it anymore. I am also

dealing

> with family members who have their hopes somehow wrapped up in

> chemotherapy treatments, and they don't want to hear about

> anything " weird " from me.

>

> I have started her on a mostly raw food/juice diet so far, but I

don't

> know where to go from here. I don't want to give her anything

that

> will worsen her side effects by upsetting her stomach (we had

planned

> to do a detox but I don't think I should do that while she is

> undergoing chemo treatment).

>

> This is so frustrating. She is pretty open to whatever I want to

do

> with diet, and I think I can get her to drink different teas.

She's

> reluctant to take anything she hasn't heard of as far as

supplements

> go. Plus, she's already taking SO MANY PILLS (pain medications),

I

> can't see her agreeing to a big pile of vitamins on top of them.

Are

> there liquid forms of vitamin supplements?

>

> I am looking to make her as comfortable as possible in the short

time

> she has left. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Budwig diet sounds promising.

Government statistics on pancreatic cancer is horrible ( " cure " rate is

way up to 4% now); she might look at Budwig and other alternatives.

Generally chemo doesn't help much.

Blessings,

Dave

hillman_acres wrote:

> My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

> going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

> live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it,

> but I also can't argue with her about it anymore. I am also dealing

> with family members who have their hopes somehow wrapped up in

> chemotherapy treatments, and they don't want to hear about

> anything " weird " from me.

>

> I have started her on a mostly raw food/juice diet so far, but I don't

> know where to go from here. I don't want to give her anything that

> will worsen her side effects by upsetting her stomach (we had planned

> to do a detox but I don't think I should do that while she is

> undergoing chemo treatment).

>

> This is so frustrating. She is pretty open to whatever I want to do

> with diet, and I think I can get her to drink different teas. She's

> reluctant to take anything she hasn't heard of as far as supplements

> go. Plus, she's already taking SO MANY PILLS (pain medications), I

> can't see her agreeing to a big pile of vitamins on top of them. Are

> there liquid forms of vitamin supplements?

>

> I am looking to make her as comfortable as possible in the short time

> she has left. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Dave,

It is best that your mother does chemo. If she doesn't and she dies,

then the whole family will blame you. Your best move is to educate

your mother without trying to convince her of anything. Your time to

act assertively is after she finishes chemo, but before her situation

become acute, if she is lucky to have such a window. Take the lead

now in finding proleptic solutions for nausea and cachexia. Try to

find ways to minimize narcotics as these undermine immune

function. She might try Tramadol. If you can get her away from

narcotics then you can try metenkephalin with LDN.

You mother's biggest problem is that her oncologists consider the

case terminal and after they have used all their chemos they will be

reluctant to aggressively treat any acute problems.

At 09:06 PM 8/14/2006, you wrote:

>Budwig diet sounds promising.

>

>Government statistics on pancreatic cancer is horrible ( " cure " rate is

>way up to 4% now); she might look at Budwig and other alternatives.

>Generally chemo doesn't help much.

>

>Blessings,

>

>Dave

>

>

>hillman_acres wrote:

>

> > My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

> > going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

> > live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it,

> > but I also can't argue with her about it anymore. I am also dealing

> > with family members who have their hopes somehow wrapped up in

> > chemotherapy treatments, and they don't want to hear about

> > anything " weird " from me.

> >

> > I have started her on a mostly raw food/juice diet so far, but I don't

> > know where to go from here. I don't want to give her anything that

> > will worsen her side effects by upsetting her stomach (we had planned

> > to do a detox but I don't think I should do that while she is

> > undergoing chemo treatment).

> >

> > This is so frustrating. She is pretty open to whatever I want to do

> > with diet, and I think I can get her to drink different teas. She's

> > reluctant to take anything she hasn't heard of as far as supplements

> > go. Plus, she's already taking SO MANY PILLS (pain medications), I

> > can't see her agreeing to a big pile of vitamins on top of them. Are

> > there liquid forms of vitamin supplements?

> >

> > I am looking to make her as comfortable as possible in the short time

> > she has left. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

See the file here (in the files section of the group) on Intravenous

Vitamin C. Can be used as an ADJUNCT to chemo to both INCREASE the

effectiveness and REDUCE the side efffects.

Best,

RB

hillman_acres wrote:

My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is going

forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her live any

longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it, but I also

can't argue with her about it anymore. I am also dealing with family

members who have their hopes somehow wrapped up in chemotherapy

treatments, and they don't want to hear about anything " weird " from me.

I have started her on a mostly raw food/juice diet so far, but I don't

know where to go from here. I don't want to give her anything that will

worsen her side effects by upsetting her stomach (we had planned to do a

detox but I don't think I should do that while she is undergoing chemo

treatment).

This is so frustrating. She is pretty open to whatever I want to do with

diet, and I think I can get her to drink different teas. She's reluctant

to take anything she hasn't heard of as far as supplements go. Plus,

she's already taking SO MANY PILLS (pain medications), I can't see her

agreeing to a big pile of vitamins on top of them. Are there liquid

forms of vitamin supplements?

I am looking to make her as comfortable as possible in the short time

she has left. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

[Guest guest]

At 08:34 AM 8/15/2006, you wrote:

>Dave,

You may want to look into the 4life 'transfer factor' products. I

hear good stories from people I know who have tried them.

I do not sell them by the way! Do a google search to find

information on them, and you can contact their doctors and tell them

what your mom is taking already, to see if there would be an

incompatibility The Riovida juice is very strong, and tastes

excellent, this may be a good way to get her started. I had a friend

in a 'hospice' whom we took the juice down to, and he left the

hospice(UNHEARD OF), and is hanging around with us at the local

coffee shop. But I can't honestly say if this was due to the juice,

or just a coincidence. Good luck and do your research on the net, and

then contact their doctors.

In Peace-

Dave

[Guest guest]

One great resource is the Grouppe Kurosawa archive. There are all

these do it yourself cures that supposedly prevent chemo resistance and

might even work for your mom. The scientist who runs it, Dr. Steve

, also consults for a modest fee. If I remember correctly, one

of his recommendations for making chemo more effective is glutamine and

vitamin D, dissolved in coconut milk to make it more bioavailable.

(Don't rely on my memory, read the original.)

http://www.grouppekurosawa.com

[Guest guest]

Dave,

Vince has given you good advice. I will go one further. Here is the countries

best doctor for pancreatic cancer. He has had astounding success with his

methods, so much so, that Insurance companies are covering some of his programs.

As reported in the January/February and July/August 2000 issues of

totalhealth, the - Isaacs program, an alternative approach to the

treatment of cancer, had been awarded a $1.4 million National Cancer Institute

(NCI) grant to conduct a large scale, controlled clinical trial comparing the

success of their approach in treating inoperable advanced pancreatic cancer with

a control group receiving the best conventional chemotherapy available. This

groundbreaking grant was precipitated by the positive results of a pilot study

of - Isaacs patients suffering from advanced inoperable pancreatic

cancer conducted between 1993 and 1999. Data published in the peer-reviewed

journal Nutrition and Cancer showed an effect that went beyond anything

previously reported in the medical literature for this deadly disease.

Go to www.dr-gonzalez.com

Here your Mom can feel comfortable in her choice of chemo, although we would

rather she did not do this, but, with Ganzalez she will get the benefit of

complementary medicine.

When searching the Internet for alternative therapies, use your discretion

and good sense. " Ye shall know them by their fruits " Look for doctors who have

good solid verifiable results on a consistant basis. Stay away from Charlatans

like Hulda who use unproven theories and charge outrageous fees, and from

mystical practices like homeopathy. ( " Oh the patient died, must have got the

wrong mixture!)

You are looking for good solid, verifiable results on recovery from pancreatic

cancer, not general theories! Be specific in your research.

You might ask your Ma's current Oncologist a question like: " do you have any

long term survivors under your care who presented themselves to you with my

Mothers diagnosis " If he is any good he will be able to rattle off a list of

living, healthy people (no names of course).

The bottom line is this is your Mothers life, and her choice. Try to inform

her without threatening her security, (dont forget, she is afraid)

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi

Have a look into treatment with CESIUM CHLORIDE , it's not very

expensive and has helped many " terminal " people. I use it myself

beside lots of vegy-juice to keep my PH up in the healthy range.

Have a read on this link www.nutrition2000.com/prostate_and_health/cesium.asp

Cesium c. also should take away your Mom's pain within 24 hours-if she

doesn't like to take it -sell it to her as a Painkiller

Regards

Wolf

[Guest guest]

Thank you to all in this group that have taken the time to answer- I realize now

that my question was probably a common one here. I should have taken the time

to do a search first.

My mom has gone ahead with the chemo (Gemzar once a week and Tarceva daily) and

has basically told me she is not interested in pursuing any other treatments.

Not even juicing for her anymore. Her doctor told her to eat " whatever sounds

good " and that calories are the most important thing for her right now. He also

told her that SUGAR was OK TO EAT in small amounts. When she presented him with

my ideas about diet he laughed and told her that raw diets and juicing were fads

and didn't work.

I am disgusted with all of this, but I love my mom and I am going to support her

in any way I can. I have followed up on all of your suggestions and will be

ready with plenty of options for her if ever she decides that the chemo isn't

going to work.

I love the suggestion about asking the oncologist about his survivor stats...if

I just had the nerve to do it

Leah

Visit my blog at http://homesteadblogger.com/hillmanacres

[Guest guest]

My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it,

You can go to the website www.outsmartyourcancer.com and buy the book

of the same name. It is accurate and gentle and will not confuse you or

your relatives. It lists the top dozen alternative cancer treatments in

fair detail including my own (the Kelley/) approach which has

the highest success rate with pancreatic cancer in medical history as

verified by the NIH itself (www.dr-gonzalez.com for details).

PS: With stage IV cancers, the best bet is to get to Mexico where for

for about $15K you can beat back the most advanced cancers quickly

with hyperthermia and a barrage of other techniques and buy time

for a more permanent approach.

Good Luck.

[Guest guest]

Dear Renhoekster

This is the best advice I have seen on this groups postings for a long while.

Many members mean well, and give the best advice they know about. However, when

it comes to stage four of any type of cancer, the time line for experimenting

has shortened demanding powerful effective interventions.

I particularly like your reference to the / successes with

Pancreatic cancer, and your astute insight on the value of the Mexican approach.

This is exactly what has happened to me. The SanDigo clinic in Tiuahna has

halted the progress of my stage four PC giving me precious time to calmly

consider the best long term management for my disease. And this may now well

include some of the anectodal protocols that I could not afford to waste time on

in the beginning.

I hate to say it, but I personally know of people who have opted for chemo and

then got so terribly sick they became open to other suggestions.

To Hillman_acres, I suggets keeping this post in your back pocket for the day

your Mom changes her mind.

Dan

From: renhoekster:

hillman_acres wrote:

" My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it "

You can go to the website http://www.outsmartyourcancer.com and buy the book of

the same name. It is accurate and gentle and will not confuse you or your

relatives. It lists the top dozen alternative cancer treatments in fair detail

including my own (the Kelley/) approach which has the highest success

rate with pancreatic cancer in medical history as verified by the NIH itself

(http://www.dr-gonzalez.com for details).

PS: With stage IV cancers, the best bet is to get to Mexico where for

for about $15K you can beat back the most advanced cancers quickly

with hyperthermia and a barrage of other techniques and buy time

for a more permanent approach. Good Luck.

[Guest guest]

Posted from another list (Mangosteen):

darlene_lowe@... wrote:

" Our very dear friend is going through the very same issue as we speak.

He is having great results with the juice. He is the only one in his

'chemo group' that is not having much sickness after their sessions, his

tumor size has reduced tremendously. The Drs. have asked him what he is

doing and when he tells them they just dismiss it as a remedy.

(our friend) was the biggest skeptic of the Mangosteen juice, so we sent

about a two month supply of juice. He tells everyone about it now. He is

not yet cured of his cancer but we have great expectations that will

come soon.

comefixit@... wrote: I'm looking for testimonials for anyone who has had

good results with stage 4 Liver cancer. "

Several places sell Mangosteen - the brand I have used is Xango - seemed very

effective, but is also one of the more expensive ones ($ 120 a month?).

Healings,

Dave

http://www.dfe.net

Dan Captain wrote:

>Dear Renhoekster

> This is the best advice I have seen on this groups postings for a long while.

Many members mean well, and give the best advice they know about. However, when

it comes to stage four of any type of cancer, the time line for experimenting

has shortened demanding powerful effective interventions.

> I particularly like your reference to the / successes with

Pancreatic cancer, and your astute insight on the value of the Mexican approach.

This is exactly what has happened to me. The SanDigo clinic in Tiuahna has

halted the progress of my stage four PC giving me precious time to calmly

consider the best long term management for my disease. And this may now well

include some of the anectodal protocols that I could not afford to waste time on

in the beginning.

> I hate to say it, but I personally know of people who have opted for chemo

and then got so terribly sick they became open to other suggestions.

> To Hillman_acres, I suggets keeping this post in your back pocket for the day

your Mom changes her mind.

> Dan

>

>From: renhoekster:

>

>hillman_acres wrote:

> " My mom has stage IV pancreatic cancer spread to her liver. She is

>going forward with chemo even though she knows it will not make her

>live any longer and will cause her to become sicker. I don't get it "

>

>You can go to the website http://www.outsmartyourcancer.com and buy the book of

the same name. It is accurate and gentle and will not confuse you or your

relatives. It lists the top dozen alternative cancer treatments in fair detail

including my own (the Kelley/) approach which has the highest success

rate with pancreatic cancer in medical history as verified by the NIH itself

(http://www.dr-gonzalez.com for details).

>

>PS: With stage IV cancers, the best bet is to get to Mexico where for

>for about $15K you can beat back the most advanced cancers quickly

>with hyperthermia and a barrage of other techniques and buy time

>for a more permanent approach. Good Luck.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some links that might interest you.

Did you know there are natural or alternative cancer treatments

that consistently have a 50% true cure rate on cancer patients given up on by

orthodox medicine? These are incredibly potent natural treatments. Imagine how

potent these cancer treatments would be for newly diagnosed cancer patients!

However, only a very small number of the 300+ alternative cancer

treatments are strong enough to deal with the disastrous condition of cancer

patients given up on by orthodox medicine, and these treatments are generally

not the best-known treatments...more http://www.cancertutor.com/index.html

Introduction to the Cesium Chloride / DMSO Protocol

When it comes to treating advanced cancers, such as Stage IV cancers, fast

growing cancers, cancers that have spread significantly, high fatality cancers,

etc., if there were only one cancer treatment allowed to be used, this treatment

would be the best choice. One reason for this is that it is the only " Stage IV "

treatment that can be used at home for those who cannot take supplements or

digest supplements.. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Alkaline.html

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/cesium.htm

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/petphtherapy.htm

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/tcesium.htm#cesium3

Dr. Howenstein MD; Use of Cesium chloride to treat Malignancies

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm

High ph Therapy for Cancer; A. Brewer Ph.D:

http://www.cancer-coverup.com/brewer/printbrewerreport.htm very technical on

cesium and hi ph

Neil Deul's story re cesium+aloe cure of cancer:

http://www.cancer-coverup.com/story/story_a.html

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much. I read about a few Mexican hospitals- I think Oasis of Hope

was the one I called- but didn't know how affordable they were. My brothers

are in local bands and put on a benefit concert for her last night and

raised almost half of what she'd probably need to get down there. Right now

she is back in the hospital having had a very severe reaction to her 2nd

chemo session. We'll have to see where she wants to go from here when she

recovers somewhat. Personally I can't imagine her agreeing to going

anywhere right now after seeing her but who knows? Thanks again for the

help and ideas!

Leah

[Guest guest]

Hi, I noticed your thread about your mom. I am so sorry you are going

through this. I haven't read the whole story, but I wanted to let you

know that I went to Oasis for treatment in February of 2005. If I can

be of any help, let me know. I am not sure if I should post my e mail

or what here. I don't want to go public with personal information. In

a nutshell, I had thyroid cancer and was pregnant at the time. The

baby is now 13 months old and the tumors are shrinking. I did the

laetril and chelation treatment. I found it to be very sucessful. I

was forever greatful to avoid surgery and they laid such a great

foundation down for me. I have been doing better every since. This has

all been a big thing for me, I have 7 children under the age of 11! Any

ways, let me know if I can help!

Sincerely, Kym

[Guest guest]

I have thoroughly researched cesium chloride, of everything I've read about this

makes the most sense to me with her cancer. And I have brought it up. She said

to ask her doctor if it was ok (!!!!!!). One thing I don't understand though is

that in every article I read it said that cesium would take care of cancer pain

in 24-48 hours- how? Does bringing her PH up to 8 cause the pain to subside?

How? Her pain is the #1 thing right now, if that is really true- if her pain

could be significantly reduced in a couple of days- that might get her listening

to me. If anyone has experience or a good simple explanation as to how the

cesium reduces pain, please post.

The supposed chemo reaction is actually an infection called C-Difficile. I

haven't gotten a chance to find out much else about it yet. But it is going to

delay her next chemo treatment which should be today. Thanks for the links,

!

Leah

[Guest guest]

Leah Hillman wrote:

> I have thoroughly researched cesium chloride, of everything I've

> read about this makes the most sense to me with her cancer.

CC is a good approach I tried early on and because I'm a metabolic

carnivore (already too alkaline) it made me much worse. In your

mothers case, it should work as having a solid tumor indicates she

is on the vegetarian side of the house and would benefit from CC

(There is a huge amount of research on this on www.dr-gonzalex.com).

You also want to go with the ionic versions as cancer and opiodes

always mess with digestion.

What did work for me was Hydrazine Sulfate which gave me back my

normal energy levels in 18 hours flat (not a cure, just buys time).

It may help as well and is compatible with a lot of other protocols.

> have brought it up. She said to ask her doctor if it was ok

> (!!!!!!). One thing I don't understand though is that in every

> article I read it said that cesium would take care of cancer pain

> in 24-48 hours- how? Does bringing her PH up to 8 cause the pain

> to subside? How? Her pain is the #1 thing right now, if that is

> really true- if her pain could be significantly reduced in a couple

> of days- that might get her listening to me. If anyone has

> experience or a good simple explanation as to how the cesium

> reduces pain, please post.

Dr. Revici who may be the worlds most sophisticed lipid researcher

was known to demonstrate to other doctors that he could turn off and

then turn on cancer pain in as little as 10 minutes by means of lipid

induced changes in blood pH. It is known that this is very very

critical to overall health as even minor deviations over periods of

years due to poor diet, will cause cancer and every other degenerative

disease. Try www.bloodph.com for details and the CC people have an

entire library in the mid-west. It is a well proven protocol with a

lot of scientific support, the inventor was a physicist.

If your mother is on any form of opiates, you need to get her off fast as they

strongly promote both rapid cell proliferation (all cancers)and angiogenisis. If

a simple experiment allows this, go for it. Her problem may simply be all the

supportive protocols that damage liver function and tamper with blood ph but I'm

just speculating here.

>

> The supposed chemo reaction is actually an infection called

> C-Difficile. I haven't gotten a chance to find out much else

> about it yet. But it is going to delay her next chemo treatment

> which should be today.

Every chemo treatment will damage her immune system more and if you

can take advantage of the hiatus, you might be able to get her off

the conveyor. The 'Out Smart Your Cancer' book very nicely provides all the

ammunition you need to argue with oncologists and win. It may come down to that.

[Guest guest]

Hi Leah

I'm using cesium myself after researching it for a long while.I red the same

thing about pain reduction.

In my opinion cesium works only on cancer related pain because I have for a long

while lower back pain which neither disappeared or reduced after beginning the

cesium protocol.My GP ordered CAT + Ultrasound scans for metastases, the scans

came back as negative.That proved for me that my pain comes from the back and

not mets to the bone.

But why the cesium works on cancer related pain -I think nobody so far has

found an explanation,I couldn't

find anything in my research on the net.

For your Mum it's worth a try

Regards

Wolf

From: Leah Hillman

I have thoroughly researched cesium chloride, of everything I've read about

this makes the most sense to me with her cancer. And I have brought it up. She

said to ask her doctor if it was ok (!!!!!!). One thing I don't understand

though is that in every article I read it said that cesium would take care of

cancer pain in 24-48 hours- how? Does bringing her PH up to 8 cause the pain to

subside? How?

[Guest guest]

Try 10 Vitalzymes a day. It worked for my friend who had tic delaroux, a facial

neuralgia which is supposed to be the worse pain known to man.

Toni