Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 : I have osteoporosis. Take MCHA Calcium from Life Extension foundation. Doesn't bother my stomach at all and I have to take a lot of it. It's called Bone Up and it is supposed to be the best form of Calcium you can get. Hope this helps. Dianne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 In making electrodes for the wrist arteries I haven't been successful in silver-soldering the flexible copper wire to stainless steel so I've been soldering it to #10 solid electrical wire about one and a quarter inches long and using heat shrink tubing over the joint. After repeated soaking and hours of use I'm surprised how little of the green stain of cupric oxide shows up on the cotton wrapping so I conclude there's very little migration of copper at this voltage and current. Perhaps the same is true for aluminum but I have a bias against aluminum. For larger electrodes I'm using Dura-Stick Supreme self-adhesive electrodes. They're good for several uses. #12 solid wire fits into the attached connector. Available in many sizes from www.4mymedicalsupply.com and others. Dura-Stick Supreme are better than Durastick I and II.They stick directly to the skin and no cotton needed at the low currents of Beck devices, that is less than 0.5ma. The local electronic store sells a light gauge strip of copper about 4 " wide by 4 feet long for $3. Cut to size and wrapped with cotton it makes good electrodes. For the record I'm 70 and recently had a PSA of 4.9 . I saw a urologist who told me that a PSA between 4 and 10 indicates cancer in about 10% of cases. (That is, for 90% of men with this score the biopsy will be negative) He was eager to take the standard 12 tissue samples but I said I'd rather wait 3 months. We compromised on 6 weeks. I've moved about 80% of the way to being on the diet developed by Dr. Max Gerson. And am using my godzilla several hours daily on my wrists using the usual cylindrical electrodes. Next PSA test is 3/28 at which time I'll decide on whether to have the biopsy. Currently I'm inclined not to do it. The 5 year survival rate of men diagnosed with prostate cancer who do have medical treatment is not much different from those who don't, close to 100% in either case. Even the 10 year survival rate isn't hugely different. I don't have any electronic implants and don't take any prescription drugs except Benicar for high blood pressure. Another month on the Gerson diet and I may be able to quit taking it. Jon On 21 Mar 2006 22:15:40 -0000, < > wrote: > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? > From: " aubug3 " <aubug2@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:55:22 -0000 > From: " aubug3 " <aubug2@... > > Subject: Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? > > > > > > Bob, > > > > RS has a 6x6 carbon pad that is used to ground you while working on > > computers. I wonder if this couldn't be used as a large electrode, > covered > > with a wet washrag or paper towel? > > > > Dick > > Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? > > > > > > > Aluminum is not necessary, you can also just use the bare copper > > > wire. I don't know which is worse or better. I use stainless > steel > > > as the most comfortable metal. Silver and gold are ok, but form > hot > > > spots easily. STainless steel will sinter off various metals you > may > > > not want, but it almost instantly passivates under a coating of > oxides > > > and does not seem to leach out anything. > > > > > > I'm not sure the whole extent of any risk, but metal worker on > this > > > group says trivial compared to common exposure in many trades, > etc. > > > If you use cloth wrapping and low current, any metal exposure > should > > > be quite small, especially considering what you get from plumbing, > > > deodorants, other metal intakes. Another good material is carbon > > > fiber, but it's very hard to locate. > > > > > Shipment of unidirectional 4.7 oz carbon graphite fiber > showed 2 days ago. > > Kind of a bitch to handle - frays worse than anything I've > tried. www.aircraftspruce.com ; P/N 716-38; 877 477 7823; $25 > + frt for 1 yd, 38 " wide. > > Started by applying electrically conductive RTV to bare wire - > have had corrosion troubles when using baking soda. Takes > a day to skin over & stiffen, 100% strength in a wk. > > Cut a pair of 5 " squares. Stuff unravelled while cutting; > has fiberglass cross threads that are stiff as the graphite > [was prepregnated w a compatible (for tensile bonding) epoxy > coating, single strand tow has 54 ohms / 9 " ]. RECO YOU > NOT ORDER THIS, TRY THE 1.5 OR 3 " WIDE x 12 FT TAPES AT $34 > @; NO PREPREG DISCLAIMER - BETTER ASK BEFORE PAYING. CAN > ALSO GET A 1 # ROLL OF TOW, 1229 YDS, FOR $54 BUT WILL > NEED TO SEW TOGETHER A GRID - CAN SPREAD THE 1 K STRANDS > TO MAYBE AN INCH WIDE, WILL NEED A ZIGZAG EDGING SEW > MACHINE TO MAKE LIFE TOLERABLE. Conventional machines will > pull & deform the pattern even at minimum thread tension. > For next sample, will get zigzag edging put in before > cutting; grips both lots better than just having it come > unglued while cutting, then cut between stitching. > > > Will advise results of the 5 " pads but will be out of > town 2 wks beginning fri. > > Have a pair of conductive silicone sheet pads, strips .015 x > 3/8 x 1.4 " had 1.4 ohms end - end before covering; gets > worst case about 10 mV difference, end - end. Hope the > corrosion trouble is fixed but suspect a strain relief > stitch went right thru the wire insulator. Reco you do > that w only 1 fabric layer so can find insulation edge. > Bond strength of the RTV isn't enough to tolerate normal > use w / o stitched relief. > > > > > > > > You could provide us a source for whatever you consider the right > > > stuff, otherwise we are stuck with what we have. > > > > > > bG > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you > agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from > anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, > good luck researching. --bG > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hi, The link you sent doesn't appear to be working, please check. Thanks Jack Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? > > > > > > > Aluminum is not necessary, you can also just use the bare copper > > > wire. I don't know which is worse or better. I use stainless > steel > > > as the most comfortable metal. Silver and gold are ok, but form > hot > > > spots easily. STainless steel will sinter off various metals you > may > > > not want, but it almost instantly passivates under a coating of > oxides > > > and does not seem to leach out anything. > > > > > > I'm not sure the whole extent of any risk, but metal worker on > this > > > group says trivial compared to common exposure in many trades, > etc. > > > If you use cloth wrapping and low current, any metal exposure > should > > > be quite small, especially considering what you get from plumbing, > > > deodorants, other metal intakes. Another good material is carbon > > > fiber, but it's very hard to locate. > > > > > Shipment of unidirectional 4.7 oz carbon graphite fiber > showed 2 days ago. > > Kind of a bitch to handle - frays worse than anything I've > tried. www.aircraftspruce.com ; P/N 716-38; 877 477 7823; $25 > + frt for 1 yd, 38 " wide. > > Started by applying electrically conductive RTV to bare wire - > have had corrosion troubles when using baking soda. Takes > a day to skin over & stiffen, 100% strength in a wk. > > Cut a pair of 5 " squares. Stuff unravelled while cutting; > has fiberglass cross threads that are stiff as the graphite > [was prepregnated w a compatible (for tensile bonding) epoxy > coating, single strand tow has 54 ohms / 9 " ]. RECO YOU > NOT ORDER THIS, TRY THE 1.5 OR 3 " WIDE x 12 FT TAPES AT $34 > @; NO PREPREG DISCLAIMER - BETTER ASK BEFORE PAYING. CAN > ALSO GET A 1 # ROLL OF TOW, 1229 YDS, FOR $54 BUT WILL > NEED TO SEW TOGETHER A GRID - CAN SPREAD THE 1 K STRANDS > TO MAYBE AN INCH WIDE, WILL NEED A ZIGZAG EDGING SEW > MACHINE TO MAKE LIFE TOLERABLE. Conventional machines will > pull & deform the pattern even at minimum thread tension. > For next sample, will get zigzag edging put in before > cutting; grips both lots better than just having it come > unglued while cutting, then cut between stitching. > > > Will advise results of the 5 " pads but will be out of > town 2 wks beginning fri. > > Have a pair of conductive silicone sheet pads, strips .015 x > 3/8 x 1.4 " had 1.4 ohms end - end before covering; gets > worst case about 10 mV difference, end - end. Hope the > corrosion trouble is fixed but suspect a strain relief > stitch went right thru the wire insulator. Reco you do > that w only 1 fabric layer so can find insulation edge. > Bond strength of the RTV isn't enough to tolerate normal > use w / o stitched relief. > > > > > > > > You could provide us a source for whatever you consider the right > > > stuff, otherwise we are stuck with what we have. > > > > > > bG > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla > devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical > advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, > you > agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from > anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We > are > interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, > or > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, > good luck researching. --bG > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hi , It is real easy to solder the wires to stainless steel, all you need is the right flux. you can get it at the hardware store. Look for soldering kit that is made for nickle bearing alloys and has flux with zinc chloride and hydrochloric acid in it, and then you can soft solder stainless as easily as you do copper. the kit comes with solder that contains some silver in it also Take care, V > In making electrodes for the wrist arteries I haven't been successful in > silver-soldering the flexible copper wire to stainless steel so I've been > soldering it to #10 solid electrical wire about one and a quarter inches > long and using heat shrink tubing over the joint. After repeated soaking and > hours of use I'm surprised how little of the green stain of cupric oxide > shows up on the cotton wrapping so I conclude there's very little migration > of copper at this voltage and current. Perhaps the same is true for aluminum > but I have a bias against aluminum. > For larger electrodes I'm using Dura-Stick Supreme self-adhesive electrodes. > They're good for several uses. #12 solid wire fits into the attached > connector. Available in many sizes from > www.4mymedicalsupply.com and others. Dura-Stick Supreme are better than > Durastick I and II.They stick directly to the skin and no cotton needed at > the low currents of Beck devices, that is less than 0.5ma. > The local electronic store sells a light gauge strip of copper about 4 " > wide by 4 feet long for $3. Cut to size and wrapped with cotton it makes > good electrodes. > For the record > I'm 70 and recently had a PSA of 4.9 . I saw a urologist who told me that a > PSA between 4 and 10 indicates cancer in about 10% of cases. (That is, for > 90% of men with this score the biopsy will be negative) He was eager to > take the standard 12 tissue samples but I said I'd rather wait 3 months. We > compromised on 6 weeks. I've moved about 80% of the way to being on the diet > developed by Dr. Max Gerson. And am using my godzilla several hours daily on > my wrists using the usual cylindrical electrodes. Next PSA test is 3/28 at > which time I'll decide on whether to have the biopsy. Currently I'm inclined > not to do it. The 5 year survival rate of men diagnosed with prostate cancer > who do have medical treatment is not much different from those who don't, > close to 100% in either case. Even the 10 year survival rate isn't hugely > different. > I don't have any electronic implants and don't take any prescription drugs > except Benicar for high blood pressure. Another month on the Gerson diet and > I may be able to quit taking it. > Jon > On 21 Mar 2006 22:15:40 -0000, > > < > wrote: >> There is 1 message in this issue. >> Topics in this digest: >> 1. Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? >> From: " aubug3 " <aubug2@...> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:55:22 -0000 >> From: " aubug3 " <aubug2@... > >> Subject: Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? >> >> > >> > Bob, >> > >> > RS has a 6x6 carbon pad that is used to ground you while working on >> > computers. I wonder if this couldn't be used as a large electrode, >> covered >> > with a wet washrag or paper towel? >> > >> > Dick >> > Re: Aluminum and Electrodes ? >> > >> > >> > > Aluminum is not necessary, you can also just use the bare copper >> > > wire. I don't know which is worse or better. I use stainless >> steel >> > > as the most comfortable metal. Silver and gold are ok, but form >> hot >> > > spots easily. STainless steel will sinter off various metals you >> may >> > > not want, but it almost instantly passivates under a coating of >> oxides >> > > and does not seem to leach out anything. >> > > >> > > I'm not sure the whole extent of any risk, but metal worker on >> this >> > > group says trivial compared to common exposure in many trades, >> etc. >> > > If you use cloth wrapping and low current, any metal exposure >> should >> > > be quite small, especially considering what you get from plumbing, >> > > deodorants, other metal intakes. Another good material is carbon >> > > fiber, but it's very hard to locate. >> > > >> Shipment of unidirectional 4.7 oz carbon graphite fiber >> showed 2 days ago. >> Kind of a bitch to handle - frays worse than anything I've >> tried. www.aircraftspruce.com ; P/N 716-38; 877 477 7823; $25 >> + frt for 1 yd, 38 " wide. >> Started by applying electrically conductive RTV to bare wire - >> have had corrosion troubles when using baking soda. Takes >> a day to skin over & stiffen, 100% strength in a wk. >> Cut a pair of 5 " squares. Stuff unravelled while cutting; >> has fiberglass cross threads that are stiff as the graphite >> [was prepregnated w a compatible (for tensile bonding) epoxy >> coating, single strand tow has 54 ohms / 9 " ]. RECO YOU >> NOT ORDER THIS, TRY THE 1.5 OR 3 " WIDE x 12 FT TAPES AT $34 >> @; NO PREPREG DISCLAIMER - BETTER ASK BEFORE PAYING. CAN >> ALSO GET A 1 # ROLL OF TOW, 1229 YDS, FOR $54 BUT WILL >> NEED TO SEW TOGETHER A GRID - CAN SPREAD THE 1 K STRANDS >> TO MAYBE AN INCH WIDE, WILL NEED A ZIGZAG EDGING SEW >> MACHINE TO MAKE LIFE TOLERABLE. Conventional machines will >> pull & deform the pattern even at minimum thread tension. >> For next sample, will get zigzag edging put in before >> cutting; grips both lots better than just having it come >> unglued while cutting, then cut between stitching. >> Will advise results of the 5 " pads but will be out of >> town 2 wks beginning fri. >> Have a pair of conductive silicone sheet pads, strips .015 x >> 3/8 x 1.4 " had 1.4 ohms end - end before covering; gets >> worst case about 10 mV difference, end - end. Hope the >> corrosion trouble is fixed but suspect a strain relief >> stitch went right thru the wire insulator. Reco you do >> that w only 1 fabric layer so can find insulation edge. >> Bond strength of the RTV isn't enough to tolerate normal >> use w / o stitched relief. >> > > You could provide us a source for whatever you consider the right >> > > stuff, otherwise we are stuck with what we have. >> > > >> > > bG >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla >> devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical >> advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you >> agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from >> anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are >> interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or >> whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, >> good luck researching. --bG >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 > Sarina, how long did it take you to get to your current weight? It took me 18 months to get to goal, and I spent the next year fluctuating between 112 - 115. I weighed myself last week and discovered, to my surprise, that I had dropped a bit more. Since I no longer pay much attention to my weight (I weigh about once or twice a month now), I'm not sure how long that took! Sarina MIDbanded 11/06/02 by Dr. Frering in Lyon, France Starting weight; 215 Goal weight: 115 Current weight: 110, woo-hoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Oh I wanna be there one of these days. To be able to walk by the scale and not be tempted at all to see what it says. Beth 2/16/05 NWWLS 322/198/170 > Since I no longer pay much > attention to my weight (I weigh about once or twice a month now), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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