High E2

[Guest guest]

Do any of you get very irritable, angry and aggitated when your E2

levels are up?

Greg

[Guest guest]

The feelings you express, seem similiar to my own, when my estrogen

was elevated. And as a rule, five days on DIM, will generally show

some improvement for me. So I am confused and perplexed.

You might stop taking DIM for a few days and see how you feel.

I play with DIM and watch my nighttime erections, and adjust the dose.

kind regards david

>

> Guys please forgive me for posting so much and at times not clear but

> I would like to think you understand my situation. That said done.

>

> Now to my point am I exepecting too much from dim or what? I have been

> taking it for five days now no morning wood as of yet. But if I

> started my self I guess is okay.

>

> Second question I take calcium 1500w/vitaminD so does that interact

> because I am getting unusally letergic,no motivation,emotionally weemp

> like lady feel like crying for no apperent reason I remember reading

> some post like that so how should I handle it untill next appointment

> or do I have to emergency. Thanks Jack

>

[Guest guest]

Yo, thanks for explaining what DIM does do, I feel that way too

about DIM converting estrogen to all good estrogen, and have set out

on a journey to only use DIM, I may have to take ten pills a day, but

DIM I think is the healthy way to go. I am not familiar with health

benefits of arimidex, and there may be many.

I have read, medics are finding estriol, a good estrogen will help

immensely with breast cancer patients. The euro docks will not

prescribe our horse hormones, but insist only in prescribing estriol.

sometimes I think we here in the us, are money driven, under the guise

of healthy ways. just my personal opinion.

kind regards david

>

> > Guys please forgive me for posting so much and at times not clear but

> > I would like to think you understand my situation. That said done.

> >

> > Now to my point am I exepecting too much from dim or what? I have

> > been

> > taking it for five days now no morning wood as of yet. But if I

> > started my self I guess is okay.

> >

> > Second question I take calcium 1500w/vitaminD so does that interact

> > because I am getting unusally letergic,no motivation,emotionally

> > weemp

> > like lady feel like crying for no apperent reason I remember reading

> > some post like that so how should I handle it untill next appointment

> > or do I have to emergency. Thanks Jack

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Jack what kind of DIM are you taking and what is the dose. Men get wood in

about 2 weeks if your E2 is real high it can take the full 2 weeks. But if your

not to high and you take to much then you can go down so fast you will miss the

morning wood now morning wood does not mean you have it first thing in the

morning when you wake. It is the wood you get all night long some don't have it

when they wake. But when you get it and your E2 is in the Zone it will be so

hard it wakes you up.

jack <myhormonez@...> wrote: Guys please forgive me for

posting so much and at times not clear but

I would like to think you understand my situation. That said done.

Now to my point am I exepecting too much from dim or what? I have been

taking it for five days now no morning wood as of yet. But if I

started my self I guess is okay.

Second question I take calcium 1500w/vitaminD so does that interact

because I am getting unusally letergic,no motivation,emotionally weemp

like lady feel like crying for no apperent reason I remember reading

some post like that so how should I handle it untill next appointment

or do I have to emergency. Thanks Jack

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

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[Guest guest]

Hi be careful with DIM there is a lot of junk out there and if someone

needs to take 10 pills this is junk. I have found this to work for me when I

was on it.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

I stated at one tablet at dinner time my E2 was all ready down in the Zone

when I started on it using Arimidex. At the time I switched to the

Indolplex/DIM because Arimidex was to strong and I was going to low on it. Just

taking .25 mgs 1 time a week I was going to low.

On the DIM I ended up doing dam good on just one half a tablet at dinner them

and to help my liver wash out the E's I took some TMG at bed time.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

This is good stuff because it also turns into some SamE and helps you sleep.

david a hallgarth <dhallgar@...> wrote:

Yo, thanks for explaining what DIM does do, I feel that way too

about DIM converting estrogen to all good estrogen, and have set out

on a journey to only use DIM, I may have to take ten pills a day, but

DIM I think is the healthy way to go. I am not familiar with health

benefits of arimidex, and there may be many.

I have read, medics are finding estriol, a good estrogen will help

immensely with breast cancer patients. The euro docks will not

prescribe our horse hormones, but insist only in prescribing estriol.

sometimes I think we here in the us, are money driven, under the guise

of healthy ways. just my personal opinion.

kind regards david

>

> > Guys please forgive me for posting so much and at times not clear but

> > I would like to think you understand my situation. That said done.

> >

> > Now to my point am I exepecting too much from dim or what? I have

> > been

> > taking it for five days now no morning wood as of yet. But if I

> > started my self I guess is okay.

> >

> > Second question I take calcium 1500w/vitaminD so does that interact

> > because I am getting unusally letergic,no motivation,emotionally

> > weemp

> > like lady feel like crying for no apperent reason I remember reading

> > some post like that so how should I handle it untill next appointment

> > or do I have to emergency. Thanks Jack

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Influencing estrogen metabolism is part of the issue.

The conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen via the aromatase enzyme is

another.

I recommend a look at primordialperformance.com and their Dermacrine

Sustain product. They have posted a TON of references and sound

explanations (based on my knowledge of anatomy, physiology and

pharmacology).

We in the United States of Estrogen are highly influenced by greedy

people that want to sell us stimulants of all sorts, to make a profit.

If we all ate healthy raw (or cooked if necessary) whole foods, used

only natural soaps, shampoos, etc., we'd be healthier, but the wealthy

would lament their newfound poverty.

I've recently been learning about " xeno-estrogens " (xeno means

foreign). Garbage like plastics and stuff put in packaging and

shampoos, and lotions, etc., that act like estrogens in the body. That

along with artificial sweeteners and processed foods, heck no wonder

more people get hypogonadal, burned out adrenals, and obese!!!! For

money, people have twisted what God has provided for us......and we buy

this crap!!!!

Stepping down from the pulpit now.....

Google.com and certain discussion boards have helped me immensely. If

I relied on advertising and " doctors " to tell me how to live, I'd be

dead already.

Chris

--- david a hallgarth <dhallgar@...> wrote:

> Yo, thanks for explaining what DIM does do, I feel that way

> too

> about DIM converting estrogen to all good estrogen, and have set out

> on a journey to only use DIM, I may have to take ten pills a day, but

> DIM I think is the healthy way to go. I am not familiar with health

> benefits of arimidex, and there may be many.

> I have read, medics are finding estriol, a good estrogen will help

> immensely with breast cancer patients. The euro docks will not

> prescribe our horse hormones, but insist only in prescribing estriol.

> sometimes I think we here in the us, are money driven, under the

> guise

> of healthy ways. just my personal opinion.

> kind regards david

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Jack,

Check message #47411. Phil gave a summary of using Arimidex to lower

E2 here: if you're at 40-50 pg/mL estradiol, use .25 mg every day till

night time & morning wood returns. Keep using at this rate till the

morning wood stops, then reduce to .25 mg every 4 days. He said his

most recent Arimidex protocol was .25 mg every 2-3 days.

~Xian

>

> I am a long time lurker and sometime poster. I just received the

> results of my latest blood test.

> Drawn 12/01/08

> Reported 12/15/08

> Testosterone, Free, Bio and Total, LC/MS/MS

> Testosterone Total 1103 (H) Ranger 250-1100 ng/dl

> Testosterone Free 185.3 Range 46.0-224.0 pg/ml

> Testosterone,Bioavaliaable 381.0 Range 110.0-575.0 ng/dl

> SHBG 32 Range 17-54 nmol/L

> Albumin, Serum 4.5 Range 3.6-5.1 g/dl

> Estradoil, Untrasensitive; Not enough blood resubmit

>

> Drawn 12/16/08

> Reported 12/24/08

> Estradiol, Ultrasensitive 47 H Range < or = 29

> Lab was Quest Diagnostic

>

> I did not get my T shot today, the doctor is out of town and the

> nurse said she could not give it to me with the High T and E2. The

> doctor will be back Monday.

>

> I figured my E2 was high from the symptoms. I get 400mg shot of T

> every 10 days. 6 months ago my T was 450 and doctor increased shot to

> 400mg from 300mg. The last E2 test I had was about a year ago and it

> was 24 but not the ultrasensitive. Note these test and shots are done

> by my primary care doctor(PCP). My local urologist at the time would

> only test Total T.

>

> If I remember right Phil had a medication and formula for treating

> E2. Does anyone have that information. Hope Phil gets well soon!!!

> I can not tell from penile responce if E2 meds are working (night

> time wood) because I have been 100% impotent for about 3 years

> because of Low Testosterone, Peyronies, ED, Venous Leakage and

> Corporal Fibrosis. After fighting heart and other problems I finally

> got my implant 10/23/08 from Vanderbilt.

>

> My PCP is very open, any suggestions as to how to treat the E2?

>

> Thanks

> Jack

>

> PS Phil get well soon!!!

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I am a long time lurker and sometime poster. I just received the

> > results of my latest blood test.

> > Drawn 12/01/08

> > Reported 12/15/08

> > Testosterone, Free, Bio and Total, LC/MS/MS

> > Testosterone Total 1103 (H) Ranger 250-1100 ng/dl

> > Testosterone Free 185.3 Range 46.0-224.0 pg/ml

> > Testosterone,Bioavaliaable 381.0 Range 110.0-575.0 ng/dl

> > SHBG 32 Range 17-54 nmol/L

> > Albumin, Serum 4.5 Range 3.6-5.1 g/dl

> > Estradoil, Untrasensitive; Not enough blood resubmit

> >

> > Drawn 12/16/08

> > Reported 12/24/08

> > Estradiol, Ultrasensitive 47 H Range < or = 29

> > Lab was Quest Diagnostic

> >

> > I did not get my T shot today, the doctor is out of town and the

> > nurse said she could not give it to me with the High T and E2.

The

> > doctor will be back Monday.

> >

> > I figured my E2 was high from the symptoms. I get 400mg shot of T

> > every 10 days. 6 months ago my T was 450 and doctor increased

shot to

> > 400mg from 300mg. The last E2 test I had was about a year ago and

it

> > was 24 but not the ultrasensitive. Note these test and shots are

done

> > by my primary care doctor(PCP). My local urologist at the time

would

> > only test Total T.

> >

> > If I remember right Phil had a medication and formula for

treating

> > E2. Does anyone have that information. Hope Phil gets well soon!!!

> > I can not tell from penile responce if E2 meds are working (night

> > time wood) because I have been 100% impotent for about 3 years

> > because of Low Testosterone, Peyronies, ED, Venous Leakage and

> > Corporal Fibrosis. After fighting heart and other problems I

finally

> > got my implant 10/23/08 from Vanderbilt.

> >

> > My PCP is very open, any suggestions as to how to treat the E2?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jack

> >

> > PS Phil get well soon!!!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Jack, I didn't pay attention. Phil's recommendation for

Arimidex in this group used wood as the main visible indication for

optimal level. On another site where he contributes

(http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/low-estradiol-symptoms-1342622\

88.html),

the forum discussed other symptoms of low estradiol: depression, low

libido, low energy, & others which overlap with high estradiol. One

symptom unique to low E2 vs. high E2 is joint pain/bone injuries.

Life extension reported that men below 15 pg/mL estradiol have more

hip fractures than men with higher estradiol, & men who lack the

ability to convert testosterone to estradiol ( & inevitably have low

estradiol) also have similar bone problems. In contrast, one visible

manifestation of high estradiol is bloating.

When assessing personal estradiol results, lab reports are essential.

Don't let symptoms substitute for blood tests as a dipstick for estradiol.

~Xian

> > >

> > > I am a long time lurker and sometime poster. I just received the

> > > results of my latest blood test.

> > > Drawn 12/01/08

> > > Reported 12/15/08

> > > Testosterone, Free, Bio and Total, LC/MS/MS

> > > Testosterone Total 1103 (H) Ranger 250-1100 ng/dl

> > > Testosterone Free 185.3 Range 46.0-224.0 pg/ml

> > > Testosterone,Bioavaliaable 381.0 Range 110.0-575.0 ng/dl

> > > SHBG 32 Range 17-54 nmol/L

> > > Albumin, Serum 4.5 Range 3.6-5.1 g/dl

> > > Estradoil, Untrasensitive; Not enough blood resubmit

> > >

> > > Drawn 12/16/08

> > > Reported 12/24/08

> > > Estradiol, Ultrasensitive 47 H Range < or = 29

> > > Lab was Quest Diagnostic

> > >

> > > I did not get my T shot today, the doctor is out of town and the

> > > nurse said she could not give it to me with the High T and E2.

> The

> > > doctor will be back Monday.

> > >

> > > I figured my E2 was high from the symptoms. I get 400mg shot of T

> > > every 10 days. 6 months ago my T was 450 and doctor increased

> shot to

> > > 400mg from 300mg. The last E2 test I had was about a year ago and

> it

> > > was 24 but not the ultrasensitive. Note these test and shots are

> done

> > > by my primary care doctor(PCP). My local urologist at the time

> would

> > > only test Total T.

> > >

> > > If I remember right Phil had a medication and formula for

> treating

> > > E2. Does anyone have that information. Hope Phil gets well soon!!!

> > > I can not tell from penile responce if E2 meds are working (night

> > > time wood) because I have been 100% impotent for about 3 years

> > > because of Low Testosterone, Peyronies, ED, Venous Leakage and

> > > Corporal Fibrosis. After fighting heart and other problems I

> finally

> > > got my implant 10/23/08 from Vanderbilt.

> > >

> > > My PCP is very open, any suggestions as to how to treat the E2?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Jack

> > >

> > > PS Phil get well soon!!!

> > >

> >

>