Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 No never had Thyroid trouble but Dr.'s at the MESO site are saying a lot to men on TRT that don't feel right that are posting there tests have sines of Adrenial Fatigue or low Cortisol. Your lower then mine. But this means you need more testing Stress will drive up your Cortisol levels to the point the Adreniual's poop out. Most men and women that are sick are under a lot of stress. This link has a ton of info in it. http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134240195 Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Is Cortisol related to Thyroid problems? I had test for that and the Doctor said it was fine too. It was ( 7 before 10am 4.48-22.7) Mine read 7.2. He said that was fine and I am also doubting that reading. Phil you said yours was: I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0 to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. I have had Thydoid problems in the past. Roy. Philip Georgian wrote: " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem. I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone 120. My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00. My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00. My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12 I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593. I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed nothing wrong. I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs. On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL range 75 - 212. This is my last test. About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked. FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40. T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27. T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2. T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0. TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7. I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0 to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol to carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it does not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as hers and opened wide and kept trying to close. I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every winter I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is not working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 to 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I wake up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr. gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this is not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels. Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 days Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a breathing test. Thanks Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Phil, Have you taken a saliva test, every 4 hours, to see your " arc " of cortisol production??? I did with Dr. Rothfeld of www.wholeheathne.com. He claims it is the best way to test and good to see measures at 7am, 11am, 2pm and 5pm (I think). Here is a " cache " page (old web page) on the topic. I can find out more if you ask. http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:S9ib- HNHttAJ:wholehealthne.com/html/adrenal_saliva_test_info.html+saliva+c ortisol+test & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=41 Blessings, Bill PS. Do you think your body knows all the " pick me ups " it will be getting in the morning and is just sluggish until delivered (i.e. maca, zinc, T, HCG....)? Also could it be that your body has never felt so well rested in 22 years that it just feels different in the morning from better sleep? Are you fatigued during the day? > > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem. > > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone > 120. > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00. > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00. > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12 > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. > > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593. > > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed > nothing wrong. > > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs. > > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL > range 75 - 212. This is my last test. > > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked. > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40. > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27. > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2. > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0. > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7. > > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0 > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. > > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol to > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it does > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close. > > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every winter > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is not > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 to > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I wake > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr. > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this is > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels. > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 days > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a > breathing test. > Thanks Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 We are looking for a saliva test in my health plain. I am not doing a test that one gets off the net. As for my fatigue I was dam good up through last fall. Being sick all winter set me way back. Shit I was doing so dam good all last summer the this winter did me in. Phil williamb11 <no_reply > wrote: Phil, Have you taken a saliva test, every 4 hours, to see your " arc " of cortisol production??? I did with Dr. Rothfeld of www.wholeheathne.com. He claims it is the best way to test and good to see measures at 7am, 11am, 2pm and 5pm (I think). Here is a " cache " page (old web page) on the topic. I can find out more if you ask. http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:S9ib- HNHttAJ:wholehealthne.com/html/adrenal_saliva_test_info.html+saliva+c ortisol+test & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=41 Blessings, Bill PS. Do you think your body knows all the " pick me ups " it will be getting in the morning and is just sluggish until delivered (i.e. maca, zinc, T, HCG....)? Also could it be that your body has never felt so well rested in 22 years that it just feels different in the morning from better sleep? Are you fatigued during the day? > > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem. > > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone > 120. > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00. > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00. > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12 > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. > > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593. > > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed > nothing wrong. > > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs. > > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL > range 75 - 212. This is my last test. > > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked. > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40. > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27. > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2. > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0. > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7. > > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0 > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. > > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol to > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it does > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close. > > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every winter > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is not > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 to > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I wake > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr. > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this is > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels. > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 days > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a > breathing test. > Thanks Phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Phil, We used NeuroScience out of Wisconsin (715.755.3995) - they also checked DHEA viua saliva and Dopamine/Epinephrine/Noeepinephrine, Seratonin/GABA?PEA/Gumtamata/Histamine/Creatine(all via urine). If I recall my HMO Blue didn't cover and it cost, I believe, $150. Science is obviously divided on validation of urine and saliva to measure these things. Bill > > > > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem. > > > > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone > > 120. > > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00. > > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00. > > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12 > > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. > > > > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T > went > > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593. > > > > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed > > nothing wrong. > > > > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs. > > > > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL > > range 75 - 212. This is my last test. > > > > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked. > > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40. > > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27. > > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2. > > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0. > > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7. > > > > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= > 7.0 > > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. > > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. > > > > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour > > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We > > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol > to > > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can > do > > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil > says > > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it > does > > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as > > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close. > > > > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every > winter > > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is > not > > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 > to > > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I > wake > > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr. > > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this > is > > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels. > > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T > shots > > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started > > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 > days > > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a > > breathing test. > > Thanks Phil > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I think I found a lab that will do it with my BCBS paying for it. I am waiting for my heath rep to call me back. Phil williamb11 <no_reply > wrote: Phil, We used NeuroScience out of Wisconsin (715.755.3995) - they also checked DHEA viua saliva and Dopamine/Epinephrine/Noeepinephrine, Seratonin/GABA?PEA/Gumtamata/Histamine/Creatine(all via urine). If I recall my HMO Blue didn't cover and it cost, I believe, $150. Science is obviously divided on validation of urine and saliva to measure these things. Bill > > > > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem. > > > > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone > > 120. > > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00. > > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00. > > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12 > > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. > > > > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T > went > > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593. > > > > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed > > nothing wrong. > > > > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs. > > > > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL > > range 75 - 212. This is my last test. > > > > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked. > > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40. > > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27. > > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2. > > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0. > > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7. > > > > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= > 7.0 > > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine. > > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15. > > > > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour > > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We > > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol > to > > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can > do > > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil > says > > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it > does > > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as > > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close. > > > > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every > winter > > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is > not > > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 > to > > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I > wake > > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr. > > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this > is > > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels. > > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T > shots > > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started > > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 > days > > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a > > breathing test. > > Thanks Phil > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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