Question???

[Guest guest]

In <001001c2c548$1460f190$9fe6a518@tropicalgoldens>, on 01/26/03

at 09:34 AM, " Goldens4life " <goldens4life@...> said:

>I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and have

>some questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I just

>don't feel very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if this

>is normal.

I felt some of this when I took it.

There are a lot of nasty potential effects from MTX. I'd recommend that

you read the side effects materials that you hopefully received with it.

--

-----------------------------------------------------------

" Mark Abramowitz " <marka@...>

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[Guest guest]

Sounds perfectly normal to me. That is why I disliked taking it so much. I

usually took it on Friday night so that I would have the weekend to shake the

worst of it before I had to go to work on Monday. I also had bowel issues the

first 2-3 days. Rest, take folic acid without fail. I wish you luck. It

worked well for me until I had to switch to ARAVA.

Cheri

[ ] Question???

I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and have some

questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I just don't feel

very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if this is normal.

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/index.html

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/MemoryofGrizz.html

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/MemoryofMuffy.html

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/03 10:27:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,

goldens4life@... writes:

> I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and have some

> questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I just don't

> feel very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if this is

> normal.

>

Goldens4life,

Yes it is normal to feel the way you are feeling. When I took my methotrexate

on Friday nights in the oral form, it kind of made me feel like I was coming

down with flu, and by Saturday afternoon I would just feel really, really

tired, kind of weak like you said. I would go to bed early, wake up late on

Sunday. Usually by Sunday afternoon I would back to feeling somewhat more

myself.

This past Friday night. I gave myself my first MTX injection. It was easy,

painless, and when I woke up on Saturday morning I did not have any nausea or

flu-like symptoms. I still suddenly felt tired on Saturday afternoon but

nothing like before. Sunday I felt pretty darn good.

Hang in there. Hopefully, the MTX will help your joint pain, though it may

take awhile, and help the psoriasis. Some of the symptoms you have may lessen

as time goes on and your body gets used to the MTX (I'm keeping my fingers

crossed).

I feel for you.

Carol in Vancouver, Washington

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/03 4:15:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cdyost@... writes:

> Sounds perfectly normal to me. That is why I disliked taking it so much. I

> usually took it on Friday night so that I would have the weekend to shake

> the worst of it before I had to go to work on Monday. I also had bowel

> issues the first 2-3 days. Rest, take folic acid without fail. I wish you

> luck. It worked well for me until I had to switch to ARAVA.

>

> Cheri

> [ ] Question???

>

>

> I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and have some

> questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I just don't

> feel very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if this is

> normal.

>

> Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida

After being off o the MTX for just about 6 months I just began it again two

weeks ago. Sorry if it repetitive Cheri, please bear with me. I took 10 mgs

for 2 years in September my Rheumy removed me for it because my ALT was

159u/l, which was above the upper limits of normal of 60u/l and, also, my

total Billiruben was 2.1 mg/dl and the upper limits of normal is 1.2. The

MTX I will beg for as it helps we greatly, but liver damage dose scare me.

Something I have a question about is so side effects I seem to be

experiencing. I also had my last Remicade infusion a week and a half ago and

will start Enbrel in a few days. For the past 2 weeks I have been

experiencing severe stomach craps that double me over and they are

accompanied by nausea, diarrhea, and if I am very luck Vomiting. This is all

new. It seems that whatever goes in water, tea, crackers, candy, bread, it

comes out almost right away. Anyone out the that can relate or who has gone

through this and has any advice. I would appreciate any input!

Thanks & Hugs,

[Guest guest]

Thank you Cheri,

I am taking it on Saturday ams. And Sunday was horrible. I went to my doctor

again today as I am at the point I just can't stand the pain any longer and am

now on vicodin for pain also. She seems to think that once the MTX kicks in I

will feel much better. I sure hope so. My legs hurt so bad it is painful to

even walk.

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/index.html

[ ] Question???

I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and have some

questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I just don't feel

very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if this is normal.

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/index.html

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/MemoryofGrizz.html

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/MemoryofMuffy.html

[Guest guest]

I spent about a year on MTX and never could tolerate it! I vomited for about 20

hours following a dose. The meds given to control the nausea were brutal...

knocked me out completely. I don't remember both, but I definitely remember the

Zofran. I would take the MTX on Thurs. nights so I would be sick on a weekday,

I didn't want to miss time with my family over the weekends. I know this will

be very controversial, and for that I apologize to anyone offended, but the only

thing that helped my nausea and didn't make me so drowsy I couldn't function was

marijuana. And just imagine what it was like to do that in the Bible Belt! I

was soooooo nervous, paranoid, and scared.... but I had to take the meds and

still be able to function.

Goldens4life <goldens4life@...> wrote:I finally broke down and took my

first dose of MTX yesterday and have some questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is

this normal? Also, I just don't feel very good. I feel weak. Someone please

let me know if this is normal.

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

[Guest guest]

> In <001001c2c548$1460f190$9fe6a518@tropicalgoldens>, on 01/26/03

> at 09:34 AM, " Goldens4life " <goldens4life@c...> said:

>

> >I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX yesterday and

have

> >some questions. Today I am VERY tired. Is this normal? Also, I

just

> >don't feel very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know if

this

> >is normal.

>

> I felt some of this when I took it.

>

> There are a lot of nasty potential effects from MTX. I'd recommend

that

> you read the side effects materials that you hopefully received

with it.

>

Hi,

I have been on MTX for about 3 months now and I had a few side

effects at first that really bothered me. I had a burning sensation

in my stomach, diarreha, fatigue and I was always cold the day after

I took my dose. I called my rheumy and he suggested taking 1 tsp. 3

times a day of Robitussin DM the day before, the day of and the day

after my dose of MTX. I was very skeptical about this and why it

would work because it is a cough medicine, but I did what he said and

I have never felt better. I do this every week faithfully and feel

like a teenager again. The MTX has done wonders for me. I just

thought that I would share this with you and maybe it could help you

also. If you have anymore questions, you could e-mail me directly.

Beth Ann

>

> --

> -----------------------------------------------------------

> " Mark Abramowitz " <marka@r...>

> -----------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Just a note of support: the only thing controversial about

marijuana is that it's illegal in many (but not all) locations.

I use marijuana *every day*. Of course I am cautious due to its

illegality where I live, but I make no apologies about using it.

Among many things, it helps me eat and sleep - two of the main

problems people on mtx (and other pa drugs) face - plus it

keeps my attitude positive and hopeful. For two and a half years

all I took was mtx and vioxx or celebrex, plus the marijuana, and

now I've added Enbrel to the mix. Only occasionally would I have

to take an antacid. I never needed anti nausea pills or anti

depressents or sleeping pills or opiates of any kind, not

because of lack of mtx side effects or lack of need, but because

marijuana alone addresses all of those problems for me.

Before I was diagnosed with pa, during the course of about *10

years* from when my symptoms started (age 20-30), doctors

kept offering me pain medication, you know - nice socially

acceptable addictive stuff like vicodin and percoset and such.

But no, I didn't want to just take random highly addictive drugs

that would make me forget my pain when the docs didn't even

know what was causing the pain. Even when my depression

peaked (or I should say valleyed), when I couldn't walk up and

down stairs or put on a bra because the pain was too much, all I

took was marijuana. I'd have a hard time taking anyone

seriously who'd try to argue that marijuana is bad bad bad and I

should have been on those prescription drugs just cause they're

legal.

I wish more people who use marijuana for medical reasons

could and would be more outspoken. If it was legal everywhere,

I'd be recommending it all the time on this group since it

addresses so many of the problems people ask for help dealing

with here - nausea, lack of appetite, fatigue, insomnia,

depression - all cured by one magick herb.

Thanks for listening to my rant. Now I'll just sit back and wait for

the black helicopters

> I spent about a year on MTX and never could tolerate it! I

> vomited for about 20 hours following a dose. The meds given to

> control the nausea were brutal... knocked me out completely. I

> don't remember both, but I definitely remember the Zofran. I

> would take the MTX on Thurs. nights so I would be sick on a

> weekday, I didn't want to miss time with my family over the

> weekends. I know this will be very controversial, and for that I

> apologize to anyone offended, but the only thing that helped my

> nausea and didn't make me so drowsy I couldn't function was

> marijuana. And just imagine what it was like to do that in the

> Bible Belt! I was soooooo nervous, paranoid, and scared.... but I

> had to take the meds and still be able to function.

_________________________________________

Ed. Note: I envy you mika93. I too used to smoke marijuana every day when I was

renting an apartment. Now that I own my own home, I'm too afraid to smoke pot

because the government could confiscate my home and toss me out on the street

for merely smoking a single " joint " from a plant I could grow in my own garden

if it weren't illegal. I'm not just being overly paranoid - it happens all too

often with too many people. As a matter of fact, I didn't develop psoriasis and

PA until *after* I had stopped smoking pot. Even in states where marijuana has

been decriminalized, the Federal Government still arrests and prosecutes people.

I am a long time member of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana

Laws (NORML) and the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) and I urge everyone so

inclined to join these organizations in order to make our voices heard. Their

web sites are at:

http://www.norml.org/

http://www.mpp.org/

Regards,

-- Ron

[Guest guest]

I am 27 and have had Psoriasis and now PA for over a year now. I just started

MTX for about 5 weeks now and I take in on Saturday morning and it makes me

extremely tired and worn out on Saturday. By Sunday afternoon I feel a little

bit better. I haven't noticed any changes in my rashes or the pain " YET " .. I

was just at my Rheumatologist and she is increasing my dose from 3 pills a week

to 5 pills a week.

I still take a 25 mg of Vioxx in the morning and night everyday and 10 mg of

prednisone a day. I have to have a bone density test done because I have been

on the prednisone for over 3 months at that dose. Sometimes I feel like a

pharmacy I am taking so much medication.

donna ll <swtthing12201999@...> wrote:this si normal as you will be tired

on mtx...what dose

are you on??i have been on it now for three years with

doses going up and downn Donna

--- Goldens4life <goldens4life@...> wrote:

> I finally broke down and took my first dose of MTX

> yesterday and have some questions. Today I am VERY

> tired. Is this normal? Also, I just don't feel

> very good. I feel weak. Someone please let me know

> if this is normal.

>

> Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope

> (Florida)

[Guest guest]

,

I am on the pill (10 mg weekly). I hate the drained feeling I am having. I

feel exhausted.

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/index.html

[Guest guest]

Hello there,

I was so glad to see your message on the board about the use of marijuana. I am

at the moment in the middle of being tested and diagnosed for Psoriatic

Arthritis and/or Multiple Sclerosis. I have been taking Tramadol and epam

for ages now, but to no avail.

However, my doctor advised me to cut back on the Tramadol because as we all know

that when you have taken a drug for too long, in the end, it just does not seem

to work as well. But I have taken marijuana for a while as well and, find that

it does seem to help most of the time. I makes me tired, but not fatigued.

However, the tiredness does not last for too long.

Today is not such a good day for me because I get the most terrible headaches,

so I have not tried the marijuana as yet, just painkillers. But you are right,

it is brilliant for sleeping at night. I believe that they should make it

legal, the trouble with making it legal is that it would be an open invitation

for everybody to use it, including children.

But they could make it legal on prescription use only.... Now wouldn't that be a

nice idea. Then at least not everybody would be able to get there greedy little

mits on it and, it would be brilliant for those who really needed it. I

understand that the government are considering it, but I cannot see it passing.

I am in England and, I really cannot see Parliament passing it through, to be

quite honest. But then funnier things have happened at sea.... lol

Take care out there

Angie x

P.S. My e mail addy is satire62@...

[ ] Re: Question???

Just a note of support: the only thing controversial about

marijuana is that it's illegal in many (but not all) locations.

I use marijuana *every day*. Of course I am cautious due to its

illegality where I live, but I make no apologies about using it.

Among many things, it helps me eat and sleep - two of the main

problems people on mtx (and other pa drugs) face - plus it

keeps my attitude positive and hopeful. For two and a half years

all I took was mtx and vioxx or celebrex, plus the marijuana, and

now I've added Enbrel to the mix. Only occasionally would I have

to take an antacid. I never needed anti nausea pills or anti

depressents or sleeping pills or opiates of any kind, not

because of lack of mtx side effects or lack of need, but because

marijuana alone addresses all of those problems for me.

Before I was diagnosed with pa, during the course of about *10

years* from when my symptoms started (age 20-30), doctors

kept offering me pain medication, you know - nice socially

acceptable addictive stuff like vicodin and percoset and such.

But no, I didn't want to just take random highly addictive drugs

that would make me forget my pain when the docs didn't even

know what was causing the pain. Even when my depression

peaked (or I should say valleyed), when I couldn't walk up and

down stairs or put on a bra because the pain was too much, all I

took was marijuana. I'd have a hard time taking anyone

seriously who'd try to argue that marijuana is bad bad bad and I

should have been on those prescription drugs just cause they're

legal.

I wish more people who use marijuana for medical reasons

could and would be more outspoken. If it was legal everywhere,

I'd be recommending it all the time on this group since it

addresses so many of the problems people ask for help dealing

with here - nausea, lack of appetite, fatigue, insomnia,

depression - all cured by one magick herb.

Thanks for listening to my rant. Now I'll just sit back and wait for

the black helicopters

> I spent about a year on MTX and never could tolerate it! I

> vomited for about 20 hours following a dose. The meds given to

> control the nausea were brutal... knocked me out completely. I

> don't remember both, but I definitely remember the Zofran. I

> would take the MTX on Thurs. nights so I would be sick on a

> weekday, I didn't want to miss time with my family over the

> weekends. I know this will be very controversial, and for that I

> apologize to anyone offended, but the only thing that helped my

> nausea and didn't make me so drowsy I couldn't function was

> marijuana. And just imagine what it was like to do that in the

> Bible Belt! I was soooooo nervous, paranoid, and scared.... but I

> had to take the meds and still be able to function.

_________________________________________

Ed. Note: I envy you mika93. I too used to smoke marijuana every day when I

was renting an apartment. Now that I own my own home, I'm too afraid to smoke

pot because the government could confiscate my home and toss me out on the

street for merely smoking a single " joint " from a plant I could grow in my own

garden if it weren't illegal. I'm not just being overly paranoid - it happens

all too often with too many people. As a matter of fact, I didn't develop

psoriasis and PA until *after* I had stopped smoking pot. Even in states where

marijuana has been decriminalized, the Federal Government still arrests and

prosecutes people. I am a long time member of the National Organization for the

Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) and I

urge everyone so inclined to join these organizations in order to make our

voices heard. Their web sites are at:

http://www.norml.org/

http://www.mpp.org/

Regards,

-- Ron

[Guest guest]

In <b15tse+607geGroups>, on 01/28/03

at 12:42 PM, " beth0921 <bstark@...> " <bstark@...> said:

>The MTX has done wonders for me. I just

>thought that I would share this with you and maybe it could help you

>also.

Thanks, but I stopped taking it, and am now on Enbrel.

I never did have the nausea, and the other effects on how I felt weren't

enough to stop me. I was referring to the list of things like liver

damage and the other things that were on a mutlipage list of potential

side effects. I still took it, but ended up having to stop because my

liver enzymes became abnormal. Perhaps I was lucky, because the MTX

didn't help during that period, but the Enbrel lstarted working almost

immediately.

--

-----------------------------------------------------------

" Mark Abramowitz " <marka@...>

-----------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'm glad there's some others out there. I admit I was a

little paranoid after my last post.

Just want to clarify - there are bad side effects to the lungs from

smoking marijuana, just like there is from smoking anything. I

often will cook down some herb in butter, then use the butter. It's

easier on the body, and also, it gives you more of the mellow,

long lasting 'body high', which medically speaking is the purpose

of taking it (as opposed to the shorter term loopy mental high

from smoking it).

It surprises me that much of the dialogue about medical

marijuana seems to center on smoking it rather than eating it.

The only problem with eating it is it's a catch-22 when using it for

nausea or appetite! If I'm having an appetite/nausea problem,

like if it's 6:00 pm, I'm home from work and wasn't able to really

eat much all day, I'll smoke a little and then within minutes I'm

raiding the fridge. This is especially helpful on days that I take

the mtx, where even with using herb I can't have a good full meal

until one or two days later...

Ron - I do feel very lucky. I rent, and I don't have kids, so aside

from getting put in jail myself I really have little to lose.

[Guest guest]

I think it is absurd that marijuana is not a legalized drug. There is no

disputing that it is the key to antinausea in chemo patients. I don't doubt

for a minute it has been helpful to you. I have never used it, but can't

believe it is illegal to use for medical reasons.

I hope the black helicopters don't get you. Have you read, " Mom's

Marijuanan " ? My high school students couldn't wait to check it out. Then

they found out it was a very strict parent who gave her son on chemo the

money to go buy some. When she saw what he got, she demanded the seeds and

grew her own crop the next summer--right there with her sunflowers and

tomatoes. My students loved the book--even though they initially were out

for a juicier read. If anything--maybe it taught them the value of a drug

that could be very beneficial if used for the right reasons.

Ks. Di

Ks Di

[ ] Re: Question???

> Just a note of support: the only thing controversial about

> marijuana is that it's illegal in many (but not all) locations.

>

> I use marijuana *every day*. Of course I am cautious due to its

> illegality where I live, but I make no apologies about using it.

> Among many things, it helps me eat and sleep - two of the main

> problems people on mtx (and other pa drugs) face - plus it

> keeps my attitude positive and hopeful. For two and a half years

> all I took was mtx and vioxx or celebrex, plus the marijuana, and

> now I've added Enbrel to the mix. Only occasionally would I have

> to take an antacid. I never needed anti nausea pills or anti

> depressents or sleeping pills or opiates of any kind, not

> because of lack of mtx side effects or lack of need, but because

> marijuana alone addresses all of those problems for me.

>

> Before I was diagnosed with pa, during the course of about *10

> years* from when my symptoms started (age 20-30), doctors

> kept offering me pain medication, you know - nice socially

> acceptable addictive stuff like vicodin and percoset and such.

> But no, I didn't want to just take random highly addictive drugs

> that would make me forget my pain when the docs didn't even

> know what was causing the pain. Even when my depression

> peaked (or I should say valleyed), when I couldn't walk up and

> down stairs or put on a bra because the pain was too much, all I

> took was marijuana. I'd have a hard time taking anyone

> seriously who'd try to argue that marijuana is bad bad bad and I

> should have been on those prescription drugs just cause they're

> legal.

>

> I wish more people who use marijuana for medical reasons

> could and would be more outspoken. If it was legal everywhere,

> I'd be recommending it all the time on this group since it

> addresses so many of the problems people ask for help dealing

> with here - nausea, lack of appetite, fatigue, insomnia,

> depression - all cured by one magick herb.

>

> Thanks for listening to my rant. Now I'll just sit back and wait for

> the black helicopters

>

>

> > I spent about a year on MTX and never could tolerate it! I

> > vomited for about 20 hours following a dose. The meds given to

> > control the nausea were brutal... knocked me out completely. I

> > don't remember both, but I definitely remember the Zofran. I

> > would take the MTX on Thurs. nights so I would be sick on a

> > weekday, I didn't want to miss time with my family over the

> > weekends. I know this will be very controversial, and for that I

> > apologize to anyone offended, but the only thing that helped my

> > nausea and didn't make me so drowsy I couldn't function was

> > marijuana. And just imagine what it was like to do that in the

> > Bible Belt! I was soooooo nervous, paranoid, and scared.... but I

> > had to take the meds and still be able to function.

>

>

>

> _________________________________________

> Ed. Note: I envy you mika93. I too used to smoke marijuana every day when

I was renting an apartment. Now that I own my own home, I'm too afraid to

smoke pot because the government could confiscate my home and toss me out on

the street for merely smoking a single " joint " from a plant I could grow in

my own garden if it weren't illegal. I'm not just being overly paranoid - it

happens all too often with too many people. As a matter of fact, I didn't

develop psoriasis and PA until *after* I had stopped smoking pot. Even in

states where marijuana has been decriminalized, the Federal Government still

arrests and prosecutes people. I am a long time member of the National

Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and the Marijuana

Policy Project (MPP) and I urge everyone so inclined to join these

organizations in order to make our voices heard. Their web sites are at:

>

> http://www.norml.org/

>

> http://www.mpp.org/

>

> Regards,

>

> -- Ron

>

>

> Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web page at:

> http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and edited by list member

aka(raharris@...).

>

> In August 2001 list member Jack aka(Cornishpro@...) began to

conduct extensive research which he publishes as the Psoriatic Arthritic

Research Newsletter monthly in our emails and digest format. Many thanks to

Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA webpage.

>

> Also remember that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount of

information (Over two years of messages and answers).Feel free to browse

them at your convenience.

>

> Let's hear from some of you lurkers out there! If you have a comment or

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help you out with an educated guess for an answer. If not we can at least

steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to for the

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>

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>

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> Alan , Web & List Editor

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> and many others who help moderate (thank you!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought it did pass in England! I was there last June with 18 high school

students. I could have sworn it passed right after we got home. I was

quite relieved that it didn't pass while we were there--because it certainly

is not allowed in our substance abuse policy at school! I do know that they

do not hunt down and arrest people for using it there. People were openly

smoking it in public areas!

Ks Di

[ ] Re: Question???

>

>

> Just a note of support: the only thing controversial about

> marijuana is that it's illegal in many (but not all) locations.

>

> I use marijuana *every day*. Of course I am cautious due to its

> illegality where I live, but I make no apologies about using it.

> Among many things, it helps me eat and sleep - two of the main

> problems people on mtx (and other pa drugs) face - plus it

> keeps my attitude positive and hopeful. For two and a half years

> all I took was mtx and vioxx or celebrex, plus the marijuana, and

> now I've added Enbrel to the mix. Only occasionally would I have

> to take an antacid. I never needed anti nausea pills or anti

> depressents or sleeping pills or opiates of any kind, not

> because of lack of mtx side effects or lack of need, but because

> marijuana alone addresses all of those problems for me.

>

> Before I was diagnosed with pa, during the course of about *10

> years* from when my symptoms started (age 20-30), doctors

> kept offering me pain medication, you know - nice socially

> acceptable addictive stuff like vicodin and percoset and such.

> But no, I didn't want to just take random highly addictive drugs

> that would make me forget my pain when the docs didn't even

> know what was causing the pain. Even when my depression

> peaked (or I should say valleyed), when I couldn't walk up and

> down stairs or put on a bra because the pain was too much, all I

> took was marijuana. I'd have a hard time taking anyone

> seriously who'd try to argue that marijuana is bad bad bad and I

> should have been on those prescription drugs just cause they're

> legal.

>

> I wish more people who use marijuana for medical reasons

> could and would be more outspoken. If it was legal everywhere,

> I'd be recommending it all the time on this group since it

> addresses so many of the problems people ask for help dealing

> with here - nausea, lack of appetite, fatigue, insomnia,

> depression - all cured by one magick herb.

>

> Thanks for listening to my rant. Now I'll just sit back and wait for

> the black helicopters

>

>

> > I spent about a year on MTX and never could tolerate it! I

> > vomited for about 20 hours following a dose. The meds given to

> > control the nausea were brutal... knocked me out completely. I

> > don't remember both, but I definitely remember the Zofran. I

> > would take the MTX on Thurs. nights so I would be sick on a

> > weekday, I didn't want to miss time with my family over the

> > weekends. I know this will be very controversial, and for that I

> > apologize to anyone offended, but the only thing that helped my

> > nausea and didn't make me so drowsy I couldn't function was

> > marijuana. And just imagine what it was like to do that in the

> > Bible Belt! I was soooooo nervous, paranoid, and scared.... but I

> > had to take the meds and still be able to function.

>

>

>

> _________________________________________

> Ed. Note: I envy you mika93. I too used to smoke marijuana every day

when I was renting an apartment. Now that I own my own home, I'm too afraid

to smoke pot because the government could confiscate my home and toss me out

on the street for merely smoking a single " joint " from a plant I could grow

in my own garden if it weren't illegal. I'm not just being overly paranoid -

it happens all too often with too many people. As a matter of fact, I didn't

develop psoriasis and PA until *after* I had stopped smoking pot. Even in

states where marijuana has been decriminalized, the Federal Government still

arrests and prosecutes people. I am a long time member of the National

Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and the Marijuana

Policy Project (MPP) and I urge everyone so inclined to join these

organizations in order to make our voices heard. Their web sites are at:

>

> http://www.norml.org/

>

> http://www.mpp.org/

>

> Regards,

>

> -- Ron

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heh, well, I can't and won't encourage the trafficking of illegal

drugs. Especially online I'll talk about my own experiences but

that's as far as I can go, and even that is tinged with slight

paranoia given my current government.

If you are interested in learning about medical marijuana, all I

can think of is to contact the organizations that Ron listed below.

> It seems like it's worth trying, I'm a firm believer

> that whatever helps it's worth a shot. Just a very

> naive question, but hey, if I don't ask it here, where

> else? Where/how can I buy it?

______________________________________

> > Ed. Note:

> > the National Organization for the Reform of

> > Marijuana Laws (NORML) and the Marijuana Policy

> > Project (MPP) and I urge everyone so inclined to

> > join these organizations in order to make our voices

> > heard. Their web sites are at:

> >

> > http://www.norml.org/

> >

> > http://www.mpp.org/

[Guest guest]

I have been looking back at my blood tests and a lot of times the

result is not in on my copy. So I called the office and got the

pending results for 14 months back. I found 2 things that concern

me.

One is the test on Growth Hormone done on 11/19/03 it is in range

but to very low <0.1 range 0.0 - 7.0 NG/ML it was sent to Cleveland

Clinic. The other is DHEA-SO4 I am at 111 range is 80 -560 ug/dl

the last time it was checked it was 166 on 08/14/03. Anyone know if

taking a DHEA supplement would make this go higher. 15 yrs. ago

when I was on a compounded Testosterone cream it had DHEA in it.

And the HGH test being this low I wonder if this would help taking

HGH meds.

Phil

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been looking back at my blood tests and a lot of times the

> result is not in on my copy. So I called the office and got the

> pending results for 14 months back. I found 2 things that concern

> me.

> One is the test on Growth Hormone done on 11/19/03 it is in range

> but to very low <0.1 range 0.0 - 7.0 NG/ML it was sent to Cleveland

> Clinic. The other is DHEA-SO4 I am at 111 range is 80 -560 ug/dl

> the last time it was checked it was 166 on 08/14/03. Anyone know if

> taking a DHEA supplement would make this go higher. 15 yrs. ago

> when I was on a compounded Testosterone cream it had DHEA in it.

> And the HGH test being this low I wonder if this would help taking

> HGH meds.

> Phil

Taking DHEA supplements will boost your DHEA-S. Whether that will

benefit you or not I don't know.

Growth hormone is secreted in a pulsatile fashion so 1 particular test

doesn't tell you much. IGF1 levels are often used as a surrogate

measure of GH since it is much more stable. Otherwise you can have a

test known as an IV l-arginine growth hormone stimulation test. In

this test, l-arginine is introduced via IV line. Blood is drawn at

timed intervals and tested for growth hormone. A normal result is to

detect a pulse of growth that tapers off over time.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Thanks Brad so the test my Dr. did tells us nothing. I do know that if your are

very low on HGH my BCBS will pay for it. And I think from what I have read

people that are that low it is life threatening and they are very sick.

Phil

brad999us <no_reply > wrote:

>

> I have been looking back at my blood tests and a lot of times the

> result is not in on my copy. So I called the office and got the

> pending results for 14 months back. I found 2 things that concern

> me.

> One is the test on Growth Hormone done on 11/19/03 it is in range

> but to very low <0.1 range 0.0 - 7.0 NG/ML it was sent to Cleveland

> Clinic. The other is DHEA-SO4 I am at 111 range is 80 -560 ug/dl

> the last time it was checked it was 166 on 08/14/03. Anyone know if

> taking a DHEA supplement would make this go higher. 15 yrs. ago

> when I was on a compounded Testosterone cream it had DHEA in it.

> And the HGH test being this low I wonder if this would help taking

> HGH meds.

> Phil

Taking DHEA supplements will boost your DHEA-S. Whether that will

benefit you or not I don't know.

Growth hormone is secreted in a pulsatile fashion so 1 particular test

doesn't tell you much. IGF1 levels are often used as a surrogate

measure of GH since it is much more stable. Otherwise you can have a

test known as an IV l-arginine growth hormone stimulation test. In

this test, l-arginine is introduced via IV line. Blood is drawn at

timed intervals and tested for growth hormone. A normal result is to

detect a pulse of growth that tapers off over time.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Bruce I know of men on HGH one is here but I know him by his real name and he is

a dentist. The other is CottonFarm at

Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ he is a lawer. I

am not sure what they use but they claim to be doing very good on it. I first

saw a show about it some years ago on 60 minutes. I am not if any of the stuff

that is sold at these anti-aging medicine sites are any good.

http://www.renewyouth.com/hormonesnaging.shtml

Phil

Bruce Harvey <bruceharvey@...> wrote:

Phil,

I'd wondered why IGF-1 was included in the Hopkins list of tests; Brad's info.

" IGF1 levels are often used as a surrogate measure of GH since it is much

more stable. " clears that up.

See info. at:

http://tinyurl.com/4hzdz

Bruce

> >

> > I have been looking back at my blood tests and a lot of times the

> > result is not in on my copy. So I called the office and got the

> > pending results for 14 months back. I found 2 things that concern

> > me.

> > One is the test on Growth Hormone done on 11/19/03 it is in range

> > but to very low <0.1 range 0.0 - 7.0 NG/ML it was sent to Cleveland

> > Clinic. The other is DHEA-SO4 I am at 111 range is 80 -560 ug/dl

> > the last time it was checked it was 166 on 08/14/03. Anyone know if

> > taking a DHEA supplement would make this go higher. 15 yrs. ago

> > when I was on a compounded Testosterone cream it had DHEA in it.

> > And the HGH test being this low I wonder if this would help taking

> > HGH meds.

> > Phil

>

> Taking DHEA supplements will boost your DHEA-S. Whether that will

> benefit you or not I don't know.

>

> Growth hormone is secreted in a pulsatile fashion so 1 particular test

> doesn't tell you much. IGF1 levels are often used as a surrogate

> measure of GH since it is much more stable. Otherwise you can have a

> test known as an IV l-arginine growth hormone stimulation test. In

> this test, l-arginine is introduced via IV line. Blood is drawn at

> timed intervals and tested for growth hormone. A normal result is to

> detect a pulse of growth that tapers off over time.

>

> Brad

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil-

Your TSH is low to mid range (the lower, the better), I dunno, looks

OK to me. My TSH a month ago was 2.66mIU/L (range:0.40-5.50). I'm on

175mcg Synthroid. I know some guys put more importance on T3/T4 than

TSH. For those numbers, I have to go back to last Dec.; T4(free):

1.00ng/dL (range:0.60-1.50), T3(total):92ng/dL (range: 87-190), TSH:

3.28mcIU/mL (range:0.34-5.00). I confess I don't know much about

T3/T4, maybe someone else here, or at Meso-Rx knows. My Dr. seemed

happy with it.

I remember about a year ago, I forgot to add the synthroid to my

morning pills (which was not hard, I take so dam many pills) over

three days just before a blood draw and my TSH shot up to 10. The Dr.

freaked. Three lousy days, sheesh.

Rich

>

> " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

>

> I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

> 120.

> My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

> My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

> My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

> I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

>

> Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went

> way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

>

> I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

> nothing wrong.

>

> I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs.

>

> On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

> range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

>

> About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

> FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

> T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

> T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

> T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

> TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

>

> I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.=

7.0

> to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

> I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

>

> My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

> can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

> read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol

to

> carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do

> some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says

> closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it

does

> not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

> hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

>

> I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every

winter

> I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is

not

> working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3

to

> 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I

wake

> up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

> gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this

is

> not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

> Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots

> last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started

> now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45

days

> Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

> breathing test.

> Thanks Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

I have not had anyone say my Thyroid is off but did say my test looked like

Adrenal problems. Now doing this test I found at

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

it looks like I have a Adrenal problem. My wife has a bad Thyroid and was on

Synthroid for 15 yrs and never felt good. I got her to see my Dr. he tried

Armour and she is doing better but can't take more then 2 grains of Armour the

ave. dose is 3 to 4 grains. I found from this site and MESO that low Cortisol

will do this the Thyroid meds stay in the blood stream and can't get to the cell

so on 2 grains she feels hyper. Doing the Test at the site shows both of us

have a problem. Most Dr. don't believe this is a problem.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

Phil-

Your TSH is low to mid range (the lower, the better), I dunno, looks

OK to me. My TSH a month ago was 2.66mIU/L (range:0.40-5.50). I'm on

175mcg Synthroid. I know some guys put more importance on T3/T4 than

TSH. For those numbers, I have to go back to last Dec.; T4(free):

1.00ng/dL (range:0.60-1.50), T3(total):92ng/dL (range: 87-190), TSH:

3.28mcIU/mL (range:0.34-5.00). I confess I don't know much about

T3/T4, maybe someone else here, or at Meso-Rx knows. My Dr. seemed

happy with it.

I remember about a year ago, I forgot to add the synthroid to my

morning pills (which was not hard, I take so dam many pills) over

three days just before a blood draw and my TSH shot up to 10. The Dr.

freaked. Three lousy days, sheesh.

Rich

>

> " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

>

> I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

> 120.

> My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

> My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

> My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

> I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

>

> Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went

> way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

>

> I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

> nothing wrong.

>

> I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs.

>

> On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

> range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

>

> About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

> FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

> T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

> T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

> T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

> TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

>

> I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.=

7.0

> to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

> I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

>

> My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

> can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

> read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol

to

> carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do

> some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says

> closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it

does

> not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

> hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

>

> I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every

winter

> I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is

not

> working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3

to

> 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I

wake

> up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

> gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this

is

> not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

> Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots

> last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started

> now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45

days

> Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

> breathing test.

> Thanks Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Phil-

This is getting interesting. I'm looking all over my tests and so far

I can't find a single one where they tested for cortisol. I thought

they tested me for everything under the sun. I've got an appointment

in 2 weeks and I'll definitely bring up the subject. I know they say

you've got to get your thyroid under control before you play with T

and that adrenal fatigue for some reason is really overlooked. I hope

the Dr. takes it seriously enough. More than once, to get a test run

I've had to say " please, just humor me and have it run. " So far, they

roll their eyes to heaven but they'll include it. Will keep you

posted. (BTW, I've brought up the subject of Armour to -several- Drs

and each one laughed it off. It was Synthroid or nothing. At least

your wife has a Dr that will even consider it.)

Rich

> >

> > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

> >

> > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

> > 120.

> > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

> > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

> > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

> > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

> >

> > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T

went

> > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

> >

> > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

> > nothing wrong.

> >

> > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22

yrs.

> >

> > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

> > range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

> >

> > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

> > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

> > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

> > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

> > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

> > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

> >

> > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.=

> 7.0

> > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

> > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

> >

> > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

> > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

> > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol

> to

> > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can

do

> > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil

says

> > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it

> does

> > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

> > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

> >

> > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every

> winter

> > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is

> not

> > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3

> to

> > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I

> wake

> > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

> > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this

> is

> > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

> > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T

shots

> > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis

started

> > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45

> days

> > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

> > breathing test.

> > Thanks Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a link at MESO by Dr. nco on Adrenal problems it is long but full

of dam good info. He talks about how it plays into Thyroid and low T problems.

It has 151 replies and his input is a lot.

You can go here and put in your zip and find a Dr's. that treats with Armour.

http://www.armourthyroid.com/locate.html

I have been spending weeks trying to find go info on Thyroid to help my wife.

There is so much pro and con you don't know what to believe.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote: Phil-

This is getting interesting. I'm looking all over my tests and so far

I can't find a single one where they tested for cortisol. I thought

they tested me for everything under the sun. I've got an appointment

in 2 weeks and I'll definitely bring up the subject. I know they say

you've got to get your thyroid under control before you play with T

and that adrenal fatigue for some reason is really overlooked. I hope

the Dr. takes it seriously enough. More than once, to get a test run

I've had to say " please, just humor me and have it run. " So far, they

roll their eyes to heaven but they'll include it. Will keep you

posted. (BTW, I've brought up the subject of Armour to -several- Drs

and each one laughed it off. It was Synthroid or nothing. At least

your wife has a Dr that will even consider it.)

Rich

> >

> > " Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

> >

> > I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

> > 120.

> > My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

> > My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

> > My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

> > I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

> >

> > Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T

went

> > way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

> >

> > I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

> > nothing wrong.

> >

> > I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22

yrs.

> >

> > On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

> > range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

> >

> > About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

> > FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

> > T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

> > T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

> > T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

> > TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

> >

> > I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.=

> 7.0

> > to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

> > I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

> >

> > My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

> > can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

> > read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol

> to

> > carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can

do

> > some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil

says

> > closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it

> does

> > not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

> > hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

> >

> > I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every

> winter

> > I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is

> not

> > working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3

> to

> > 4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I

> wake

> > up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

> > gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this

> is

> > not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

> > Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T

shots

> > last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis

started

> > now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45

> days

> > Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

> > breathing test.

> > Thanks Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is Cortisol related to Thyroid problems? I had test for that and the Doctor

said it

was fine too. It was ( 7 before 10am 4.48-22.7) Mine read 7.2. He said

that

was fine and I am also doubting that reading. Phil you said yours was:

I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0

to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

I have had Thydoid problems in the past.

Roy.

Philip Georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

" Pituitary " I wonder is this my problem.

I have had low T for 22 yrs. my first test was Total Testosterone

120.

My LH was 3.33 mIU/mL range 2.00 - 12.00.

My FSH was 4.95 mIU/mL range 1.00 - 12.00.

My Prolactin was 8.80 ng/mL range 1.58 -23.12

I was told I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good.

Last yr. I added HCG to my 150 mgs. / wk. T shots. My Total T went

way up from 650 to 1087 ng/dl range 262 - 1593.

I asked my Dr. to do a MRI on my pituitary and the test showed

nothing wrong.

I stayed on the HCG because this is the best I have felt in 22 yrs.

On my last 4 blood tests my IGF-1 looks to me to be low 114 ng/mL

range 75 - 212. This is my last test.

About 7 months ago my Thyroid was checked.

FT1 = 8.10 ug/dL range 6.33 - 12.40.

T uptake = 1.02 Units range 0.66 - 1.27.

T3 total = 1.15 ng/mL range 0.8 - 2.2.

T4 total = 8.26 ug/dL range 5.0 - 12.0.

TSH = 2.156 uIU/mL range 0.4 - 4.7.

I had my Cortisol tested it was 10:30 am = 9.04 ug/dL range A.M.= 7.0

to 25.0 and P.M.= 2.0 - 9.0. My Dr. said it is fine.

I now feel he is wrong it should have been up over 15.

My wife has Thyroid Problems and we now feel her meds like Armour

can't get high enough she gets up to 2 grains and gets hyper. We

read this could be because of Adrenal Fatigue not enough Cortisol to

carry the med from the blood to the cells. We read that you can do

some tests like shine a light in her eyes to see if your pupil says

closed we did this and her pupil starts to open and close but it does

not go big. She checked mine and my pupil did not last as long as

hers and opened wide and kept trying to close.

I feel I have a pituitary problem causing my problems. Every winter

I get Bronchitis and can't get rid of it like my immune system is not

working good. In the last 15 yrs. any infection I get it takes 3 to

4 refills of Anti-B's to get rid of it. In the morning's when I wake

up I am always fatigued takes me forever to get going. So my Dr.

gives me Concerta 36 mgs. to help with my energy. Now I feel this is

not good to take if I have low Cortisol levels.

Any input would be a big help here. When I added HCG to my T shots

last yr I did dam good until last fall when the Bronchitis started

now I have trouble breathing. I am on Spiriva Handihaler for 45 days

Dr. says I have a lot of inflammation in my lungs I failed a

breathing test.

Thanks Phil