Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the boys active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me with some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 I have talk to a guy that is on the shots and only does HCG for a week at a time or so when he notices his nuts get really small (every 2-3 months he said). Then his nuts get big again and he just sticks with the shots. You can definitely take HCG with Androgel and keep your natural production. Only problem is that you will have more conversion to estrogen which is not great. But you can manage that with arimidex or aromasin if you have access to those drugs. Otherwise, you can do like the guy above, and take HCG intermittently when you feel you need it. Although I am not a doctor, and that is a bit of a cowboy way to go about treatment, fact of the matter is, HCG does keep the boys movin and can be done intermittently or on a continual basis while on TRT. It works, I do it. Cheers, Armyguy > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the boys > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me with > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Yeah, but should I do it without my doctor's knowledge? If he won't prescribe it.... > > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the > boys > > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if > I > > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me > with > > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 I have a rx for HCG and T injections. There are no long term studies of HCG use in men, so i would use it only as needed, that is something one finds out by practice. If you buy gray or black market there is no way to tell if it is the real stuff or has been stored right or if it has expired. HCG lowers anti-mullerian hormone, this is the hormone along with testosterone that made you a man. Not sure if lowering this is any cause for concern, but no one knows what long term use of HCG will do in a man. It sure works for me, i use it to extend the times between injection. Hope to try it alone at some point, just to see. > > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the > boys > > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if > I > > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me > with > > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 That decision is up to you. It doesn't sound like your doctor is an expert on hormone treatment and he is certainly wrong not to consider HCG treatment in the first place. If you were to find a source on it, make sure you get brand name stuff in brand name bottles. Pregnyl is the kind that I get, Profassi is good too. I don't recommend going against doctor's orders, it is critical that you keep him as an advocate. If you do decide to use it, be cautious about letting him know. Maybe ask him what he would think if you used it once in a while and told him the results. Not sure if he would be upset or not. But fact of the matter is, your doctor is incorrect not trying it out in the first place and incorrect that you will easily be able to restart your fertility system anytime down the road. After a year on testosterone alone, it is anyones guess whether you will ever be able to have a kid again. Armyguy > > > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > > > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the > > boys > > > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if > > I > > > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > > > > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me > > with > > > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Don't know. Much depends on your test results to date and whether you are primary or secondary hypo or some of each. If for example you are secondary then you should be trying a regimen of hcg alone and to do otherwise is just to accommodate your endo's fears. On the other hand if you are primary and have very low T then, hcg is not going to do you any good anyway either alone or mixed in. Once you start in on the adgrogel it will become exceedingly difficult to go back and determine at some point if hcg alone would have worked. I am not saying it cannot be done but it is a long long road back. I dont know if you are asking for advice so disregard if you are not, but if I were in your shoes I would read Shippen;s book and follow the hcg routine for a month per his protocol for a trial period of hcg. The approach would be to get your doc to allow you to at least have a one month trial of hcg subject to re-evaluation after the test results. (this is prudent within traditional medicine so he can accept that unless he is a dolt) approach You have to market that to the doc in terms of testing to see whether you are primary or secondary because that is the rationale he needs to help him with his traditional medical outlook. You need to tip the balance so that he feels remiss in not checking for something that is required by good medicine versus his feeling that he is doing experimental medicine. Once you get your test results back then you can see what the hoop is to jump through but at least you will have more information to see what is worth the effort and what isnt. Winter >From: tallen2_34 <no_reply > >Reply- > >Subject: Ethical Question: Doctors >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:26:10 -0000 > >Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today >because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the boys >active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I >took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > >Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me with >some HCG? > > > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us & page=byoa/prem & ST=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Hi Iam 32 Yrs old, with low T of 291. My Endo prescribed HCG as I am planning for the first kid. I take 500 units per time 3 tiems a week. This is my first week and yet to see any major differnce with ED, libido. I think you should go for HCG pls see wether you can change the doctor and then go for HCG. Personaly I prefer to do reserach and work with the Dr. In my case I found 2000 units per time 3 times a week(Endo prescribed this to me) is a very heavy dose and I worked with the Endo to lower it to 500 per day. This is my 2 cents and purely my persoanl opinion and I should admit my knowldge in hpogonadism is very minimal as I am learning by reading the posts in this group Regards > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the boys > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me with > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Tallen, My doctor has me on Testim and is prescribing hCG use for a week every 6 weeks just to help maintain the boys. Mainly for testecular size. Tomorrow, I am going in for pellets and will ask about if this is still an option but I can't see why it isn't. y -- In , tallen2_34 <no_reply@y...> wrote: > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the boys > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me with > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Sounds interesting about the pellets y. Please keep us posted on your subjective results throughout the period while on the pellets. Cheers, Armyguy > > Ok, I have a quick question. My endo prescribed Androgel today > > because he was not comfortable with HCG. I want HCG to keep the > boys > > active. What do you think the problems/repercuations would be if I > > took a little HCG (something like 250iu's every 3 days or so)? > > > > Is that wrong? Should I try to convince the endo to provide me > with > > some HCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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