hey guys,,, new here and..

[Guest guest]

Hello Guys,

I'm new here and feeling a bit overwhelmed... I don't

get all the stats/jargon but want to learn more. I

was put on Androgel about 2 weeks ago... my free T was

around 9.3 (not sure of the units)... My PCP thought

this was the cause of my chronic fatigue. So far I've

noticed more oomph, some insomnia, a bit more

irritable/reactive. The mention of " brain fog " in

your messages really got my attention! This has been

afflicting me for some time now, and seems to be

ameliorated w/ Androgel.

I'm concerned about the following:

1. Will this T replacement result in shrinking of my

testes/penis? (don't need or want that)

2. What about increased chance of prostrate cancer,

balding?

3. Are there other treatments out there that any of

you have tried?

My hunch is that my condition arose from testicular

torsion at around puberty. My gonads never developed

fully and I've read about other treatments that can

cause further growth of the testes (which will then

produce more T right?).

If anyone would be so kind, I'd be greatful for any

feedback.

thanks,

alex

--- Gwyn Carwardine <gwyn@...> wrote:

> Hi Bruce, thanks for your posts!

>

> A candidate for span is Hypogonadism... this was

> from the AACE doc (and seen

> many other places):

>

> With prepubertal onset of hypogonadism, the stature

> may assume eunuchoid proportions, with a

> crown-to-pubis

>

> divided by a pubis-to-floor ratio of <0.92 and an

> arm span

>

> more than 3 cm greater than the height.

>

> I've been testing my friends, pretty much they're

> all equal height & span...

> the only one that isn't differs by 3 inches...

> funnily enough he's also a

> low/sparse beard growth sort of chap too.

>

> Re: Test results

>

>

> Gwyn,

>

> The only thing I've come accross about span to

> height ratio is Marfan

> Syndrome. That's the only symptom that matches the

> criteria. It's very

> rare, and

> if you had it, you'd know by now. I bring it only

> so you can cross it off

> your list.

> Site: http://www.marfan.org/

> " Many people will have one or more of the

> features of the Marfan

> syndrome,

> but not have enough features to meet the

> diagnostic criteria for the

> Marfan

> syndrome. "

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

> > " so having a span 5 inches greater than your

> height

> > is normal? "

> ______

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome how did your Dr. do the test you should post your test

results and the ranges. Did the Dr. tell what kind of low T you have. Are you

Primary or Secondary.

1. If you are Primary and your testis will not make T anymore like mine yes

they will get a little smaller. If you are Secondary you can take Hcg this will

make you tests make more T.

2. I don't think that you will get cancer using T. more likely you can get it if

you don't have enough T. I lost some hair before I knew I had low T.

3. I have tried all of them have had low T for over 20 yrs. Primary that is. I

like Testim

If you are young and want kids and your sperm is still good get it frozen.

Two weeks is not long enough to tell I just hope your Dr. did the right test to

tell why you are low. The fatigue and brain fog I have had trouble with on and

off for the last 20 yrs. With the new med. that are on the market there are

ways to fix this.

I am going to give you a link from the links sections here you can get to it

from the home page you should go there and read as much as you can the more you

know the better the treatment you will get.

http://www.guideline.gov/summary/summary.aspx?doc_id=3524

Phil

alex dezj <adezj@...> wrote:Hello Guys,

I'm new here and feeling a bit overwhelmed... I don't

get all the stats/jargon but want to learn more. I

was put on Androgel about 2 weeks ago... my free T was

around 9.3 (not sure of the units)... My PCP thought

this was the cause of my chronic fatigue. So far I've

noticed more oomph, some insomnia, a bit more

irritable/reactive. The mention of " brain fog " in

your messages really got my attention! This has been

afflicting me for some time now, and seems to be

ameliorated w/ Androgel.

I'm concerned about the following:

1. Will this T replacement result in shrinking of my

testes/penis? (don't need or want that)

2. What about increased chance of prostrate cancer,

balding?

3. Are there other treatments out there that any of

you have tried?

My hunch is that my condition arose from testicular

torsion at around puberty. My gonads never developed

fully and I've read about other treatments that can

cause further growth of the testes (which will then

produce more T right?).

If anyone would be so kind, I'd be greatful for any

feedback.

thanks,

alex

--- Gwyn Carwardine <gwyn@...> wrote:

> Hi Bruce, thanks for your posts!

>

> A candidate for span is Hypogonadism... this was

> from the AACE doc (and seen

> many other places):

>

> With prepubertal onset of hypogonadism, the stature

> may assume eunuchoid proportions, with a

> crown-to-pubis

>

> divided by a pubis-to-floor ratio of <0.92 and an

> arm span

>

> more than 3 cm greater than the height.

>

> I've been testing my friends, pretty much they're

> all equal height & span...

> the only one that isn't differs by 3 inches...

> funnily enough he's also a

> low/sparse beard growth sort of chap too.

>

> Re: Test results

>

>

> Gwyn,

>

> The only thing I've come accross about span to

> height ratio is Marfan

> Syndrome. That's the only symptom that matches the

> criteria. It's very

> rare, and

> if you had it, you'd know by now. I bring it only

> so you can cross it off

> your list.

> Site: http://www.marfan.org/

> " Many people will have one or more of the

> features of the Marfan

> syndrome,

> but not have enough features to meet the

> diagnostic criteria for the

> Marfan

> syndrome. "

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

> > " so having a span 5 inches greater than your

> height

> > is normal? "

> ______

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:42:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>My hunch is that my condition arose from testicular

>torsion at around puberty. My gonads never developed

>fully and I've read about other treatments that can

>cause further growth of the testes (which will then

>produce more T right?).

If the torsion is the issue, your testicle probably isn't functioning.

You'll test out as primary hypo-g. If that's the case I don't think

hCG or other therapies aimed at pushing the testicles will do you much

good.

Did you have FH and LSH tests? What were your T and free T levels?

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

,

Welcome. Phil gave some great advice here.

Might I also add that you will need to be very diligent in learning

about this condition and in working with your physician. This is not

a condition that can necessarily be remedied by smearing on a gel

every day - it can get a little complicated - but a lot of

physicians think that's the case. The fact that your MD did not tell

you if you were Primary or Secondary is cause for concern.

Unfortunately many MDs - even specialists - do not understand this

condition or how to treat it properly. There is a stigma even among

physicians for a man to have hormonal problems - its totally " un-

macho " . Many of us have had to dump our physicians more than once

before we found somone who would truly treat us properly. My

endocrinologist wouldn't even test my T levels because " I shaved

regularly " , so I could not possibly have a problem! It took another

14 years before I FINALLY got tested. My total T was 136! Normal

range for my age was 650-750.

You need to understand the reason for your condition, not just the

fact that you have it. Hypogonadism can be caused by a number of

different problems. These can include testicular injury, but also

other illnesses, medications (like Propecia), excess iron in the

blood, pituitary tumors, etc. For this reason you need to insist on a

complete evaluation of your condition. If you are diagnosed with

Secondary hypogonadism, you should INSIST on an IGF-1 and Prolactin

test. If either of these is elevated, the possibility of a brain

tumor must be ruled out by having an MRI. There is also a possibility

you have Osteoporosis (bone loss)if you have had this condition for a

long period of time. Get a Bone Density scan if this is the case.

This possible complication is overlooked by almost all the MDs.

Go to the LINKS section of our forum and download the AACE Guidelines

for treatment of Hypogonadism. This is the official recommedation for

MDs in the diagnosis and treatment of Hypo. Read it carefully and

take it with you on your next appointment. Get all the info on your

lab results you can. We can help you understand the numbers.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

Regards,

K4

> >

> > > " so having a span 5 inches greater than your

> > height

> > > is normal? "

> > ______

> >

> >

> >