Re: I am new here and I am a mess!!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Yes depression is a symptom of low T. You need to get to an

endocrinologist instead of letting your GP treat you as he is taking

his advice from pharmaceutical companies interested more in selling

their expensive products.

Formal endocrinology training is essential and most doctors do not

have it. You need to be treated by an experienced doctor that treats

andorpause.

What part of the country are you in?

I travel from upstate NY to GA every 4 months to see a specialist, Dr.

Grambrell, Augusta GA.

Even when your T level is the best for you, you still have a big

problem with the emotional challenges of marriage that have to be

coped with. I suggest you get a couselor ASAP even though your

hormones are in the toilet.

ernestnolan

> I found out about you through pmgamer in the Web MD boards. I was

> diagnosed with low T at age 43 (I am 46 now) after a severe depression

> episode.

> Even though my T lab results were very low, I was still having sex

> with my wife, about 2 times per week, sometimes 3.

> The symptoms I was having, after finishing my Remeron treatment for

> depression, were: mood swings, irritability, fatigue, concentration

> problems, anxiety.

> My doctor put me on Androgel 5%. I started using it daily and after

> the third day I was having erections without any stimuli. I talked to

> her and we agreed to reduce the dose to every other day. Later, it

> was lowered to 3 x week.

>

> About a month ago I discovered I was depressed (it snuck upon me

> without warnings). The depression got excarcebated by a confesion

> from my wife of 16 years about a one night stand she had when we were

> dating 19 years ago, but separated physically. This confesion has

> destroyed me emotionally. I am latino/hispanic and this is a NO-NO.

>

> After posting in the Man-to-Man board in Web MD, pmgamer adviced me

> about my incorrect use of Androgel. Since last Sunday I have been

> using it everyday. Still, my fatigue, mood swings, self-confidence,

> desire for living (not suicidal, just do not care), obsesion with my

> wife's confesion, lack of apetite (still taking vitamins and protein

> supplements) and general deterioration of my health continue.

>

> I decided to come here and post for the first time to see if I can get

> some bright lights in my situation.

>

> My wife and I surely can use some!!! I am driving her away from me

> (she is the most important person in my life, together with our 8 year

> old daughter).

>

> Thanks!

>

> Flaco.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your advice!

I live in Cincinnati, Ohio.

About the marriage issue with my wife's confesion, when I am " sane " I

do not have a problem with it.

I am going through a cycle of depression that starts when I wake up.

I apply the Androgel around 8 am. I am a mess for about 5 or 6 hours,

then I have my moments where I am " normal " , then the ruminating about

my wife's confession starts and brings me back down. As the day

progresses, depending on my interaction with my wife, I may get better

(if we do not fight about our past). Then the cycle starts the next

day. That is the way it has been since last Tuesday.

Right now we just came back from a pool party at a friend's house.

From time to time I had the start up of the " bad " emotions. PMGAMER

e-mailed me some relaxation techniques and they really worked.

Everytime I felt it coming, I applied them and in about a minute or so

everything was fine. I had to do it several times though.

I also ordered the book by Dr. Shippen " The testosterone syndrome " .

If I have to go out of state to see a specialist for this, I will do

it. I definitely do not want to continue living like this, or worse,

lose my wife and daughter.

Thanks!

> > I found out about you through pmgamer in the Web MD boards. I was

> > diagnosed with low T at age 43 (I am 46 now) after a severe depression

> > episode.

> > Even though my T lab results were very low, I was still having sex

> > with my wife, about 2 times per week, sometimes 3.

> > The symptoms I was having, after finishing my Remeron treatment for

> > depression, were: mood swings, irritability, fatigue, concentration

> > problems, anxiety.

> > My doctor put me on Androgel 5%. I started using it daily and after

> > the third day I was having erections without any stimuli. I talked to

> > her and we agreed to reduce the dose to every other day. Later, it

> > was lowered to 3 x week.

> >

> > About a month ago I discovered I was depressed (it snuck upon me

> > without warnings). The depression got excarcebated by a confesion

> > from my wife of 16 years about a one night stand she had when we were

> > dating 19 years ago, but separated physically. This confesion has

> > destroyed me emotionally. I am latino/hispanic and this is a NO-NO.

> >

> > After posting in the Man-to-Man board in Web MD, pmgamer adviced me

> > about my incorrect use of Androgel. Since last Sunday I have been

> > using it everyday. Still, my fatigue, mood swings, self-confidence,

> > desire for living (not suicidal, just do not care), obsesion with my

> > wife's confesion, lack of apetite (still taking vitamins and protein

> > supplements) and general deterioration of my health continue.

> >

> > I decided to come here and post for the first time to see if I can get

> > some bright lights in my situation.

> >

> > My wife and I surely can use some!!! I am driving her away from me

> > (she is the most important person in my life, together with our 8 year

> > old daughter).

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Flaco.

[Guest guest]

Flaco,

This mess WILL get straightened out.

You know your family is your first priority. You know how important your wife is

to you. The Latino/Hispanic attitudes may affect you, but you're not a slave to

them. (If you were, you wouldn't discuss these issues with anyone. You'd more

likely deny them even to yourself.) You will work this out. (When I've had angry

disputes with my wife and couldn't find the words, a long hug said a lot.)

Medically, I would

(1) Consult the doctor who did the Remeron treatment. He will probably start

you back on it or something comparable. (If there wasn't so much going on I

might suggest trying to reduce depression by regulating T.)

(2) You've already corrected your Androgel dosage. T levels (and other tests)

should be done in several weeks. There may be related hormone issues to be

checked and managed. I don't know your doctor's experience in male

hormone issues. It may be that you should see a specialist. Let us know what

state you live in, and we'll try to supply a list.

Best,

Bruce

> I found out about you through pmgamer in the Web MD boards. I was

> diagnosed with low T at age 43 (I am 46 now) after a severe depression

> episode.

> Even though my T lab results were very low, I was still having sex

> with my wife, about 2 times per week, sometimes 3.

> The symptoms I was having, after finishing my Remeron treatment for

> depression, were: mood swings, irritability, fatigue, concentration

> problems, anxiety.

> My doctor put me on Androgel 5%. I started using it daily and after

> the third day I was having erections without any stimuli. I talked to

> her and we agreed to reduce the dose to every other day. Later, it

> was lowered to 3 x week.

>

> About a month ago I discovered I was depressed (it snuck upon me

> without warnings). The depression got excarcebated by a confesion

> from my wife of 16 years about a one night stand she had when we were

> dating 19 years ago, but separated physically. This confesion has

> destroyed me emotionally. I am latino/hispanic and this is a NO-NO.

>

> After posting in the Man-to-Man board in Web MD, pmgamer adviced me

> about my incorrect use of Androgel. Since last Sunday I have been

> using it everyday. Still, my fatigue, mood swings, self-confidence,

> desire for living (not suicidal, just do not care), obsesion with my

> wife's confesion, lack of apetite (still taking vitamins and protein

> supplements) and general deterioration of my health continue.

>

> I decided to come here and post for the first time to see if I can get

> some bright lights in my situation.

>

> My wife and I surely can use some!!! I am driving her away from me

> (she is the most important person in my life, together with our 8 year

> old daughter).

>

> Thanks!

>

> Flaco.

[Guest guest]

Bruce:

Thanks for your advice!

The Remeron dosage I am taking is more for insomnia (15 mg/day), one of the

effects of the depression. Right now it is controlling that (30 days and

counting).

I honestly believe Remeron is not going to help me in the long run. When my

doctor found my low T levels for the first time and put me on Androgel, the

change in me was incredible (never the Remeron made me feel that great!).

I already printed a list of endocrinologists in my area from my insurance

company.

I definitely welcome any referals (I live in Cincinnati, Ohio).

About the Latino/Hispanic issue, only affects me when I am depressed (as when I

wrote the first post). Right now I feel much better and looking forward to

tackle this condition and keep my family together. The Latino/Hispanic thing, I

laugh at it right now!

Thanks!

" Bruce Harvey " <bruceharvey@...> wrote:

>Flaco,

>

>This mess WILL get straightened out.

>

>You know your family is your first priority. You know how important your wife

is

>to you. The Latino/Hispanic attitudes may affect you, but you're not a slave to

>them. (If you were, you wouldn't discuss these issues with anyone. You'd more

>likely deny them even to yourself.) You will work this out. (When I've had

angry

>disputes with my wife and couldn't find the words, a long hug said a lot.)

>

>Medically, I would

>(1) Consult the doctor who did the Remeron treatment. He will probably start

>you back on it or something comparable. (If there wasn't so much going on I

>might suggest trying to reduce depression by regulating T.)

>

>(2) You've already corrected your Androgel dosage. T levels (and other tests)

>should be done in several weeks. There may be related hormone issues to be

>checked and managed. I don't know your doctor's experience in male

>hormone issues. It may be that you should see a specialist. Let us know what

>state you live in, and we'll try to supply a list.

>

>Best,

>Bruce

>

>

>> I found out about you through pmgamer in the Web MD boards. I was

>> diagnosed with low T at age 43 (I am 46 now) after a severe depression

>> episode.

>> Even though my T lab results were very low, I was still having sex

>> with my wife, about 2 times per week, sometimes 3.

>> The symptoms I was having, after finishing my Remeron treatment for

>> depression, were: mood swings, irritability, fatigue, concentration

>> problems, anxiety.

>> My doctor put me on Androgel 5%. I started using it daily and after

>> the third day I was having erections without any stimuli. I talked to

>> her and we agreed to reduce the dose to every other day. Later, it

>> was lowered to 3 x week.

>>

>> About a month ago I discovered I was depressed (it snuck upon me

>> without warnings). The depression got excarcebated by a confesion

>> from my wife of 16 years about a one night stand she had when we were

>> dating 19 years ago, but separated physically. This confesion has

>> destroyed me emotionally. I am latino/hispanic and this is a NO-NO.

>>

>> After posting in the Man-to-Man board in Web MD, pmgamer adviced me

>> about my incorrect use of Androgel. Since last Sunday I have been

>> using it everyday. Still, my fatigue, mood swings, self-confidence,

>> desire for living (not suicidal, just do not care), obsesion with my

>> wife's confesion, lack of apetite (still taking vitamins and protein

>> supplements) and general deterioration of my health continue.

>>

>> I decided to come here and post for the first time to see if I can get

>> some bright lights in my situation.

>>

>> My wife and I surely can use some!!! I am driving her away from me

>> (she is the most important person in my life, together with our 8 year

>> old daughter).

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Flaco.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Dr. Gambrell has a web site:

http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/

Dr. Gambrell has been treating andropause, male menopause, for several

decades which is very rare.

Most doctors have gotten interested in hormone therapy in the last few

years taking their training from pharmaceutical reps. They are prone

to under dosages which leave the patient with no real benefit. They

will not recommend hormone pellets which INHO is the best form of

therapy. Every 4 months you go in for additional pellets. We just got

back from GA this last weekend.

ernestnolan

" The Testosterone Syndrome " , Dr. Eugene Shippen, $14.95 at and

Noble is essential reading for anyone interested in hormone

replacement therapy.

ernestnolan

> > > I found out about you through pmgamer in the Web MD boards. I was

> > > diagnosed with low T at age 43 (I am 46 now) after a severe

depression

> > > episode.

> > > Even though my T lab results were very low, I was still having sex

> > > with my wife, about 2 times per week, sometimes 3.

> > > The symptoms I was having, after finishing my Remeron treatment for

> > > depression, were: mood swings, irritability, fatigue, concentration

> > > problems, anxiety.

> > > My doctor put me on Androgel 5%. I started using it daily and after

> > > the third day I was having erections without any stimuli. I

talked to

> > > her and we agreed to reduce the dose to every other day. Later, it

> > > was lowered to 3 x week.

> > >

> > > About a month ago I discovered I was depressed (it snuck upon me

> > > without warnings). The depression got excarcebated by a confesion

> > > from my wife of 16 years about a one night stand she had when we

were

> > > dating 19 years ago, but separated physically. This confesion has

> > > destroyed me emotionally. I am latino/hispanic and this is a NO-NO.

> > >

> > > After posting in the Man-to-Man board in Web MD, pmgamer adviced me

> > > about my incorrect use of Androgel. Since last Sunday I have been

> > > using it everyday. Still, my fatigue, mood swings, self-confidence,

> > > desire for living (not suicidal, just do not care), obsesion with my

> > > wife's confesion, lack of apetite (still taking vitamins and protein

> > > supplements) and general deterioration of my health continue.

> > >

> > > I decided to come here and post for the first time to see if I

can get

> > > some bright lights in my situation.

> > >

> > > My wife and I surely can use some!!! I am driving her away from me

> > > (she is the most important person in my life, together with our

8 year

> > > old daughter).

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Flaco.