Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Hiya all This recipe is very similar to a South American seafood dish called Ceviche..... fish marinated in citrus juices. I am very fond of this. mjh In a message dated 4/10/02 7:40:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, groupmaster@... writes: > > Alternative to cooking: > > Fish Recipe: > ============= > > Take one big glass jar and fill 1/3 of it with freshly pressed lemon juice. > Juice must be freshly pressed! > > Add a lot of fresh sliced garlic. Also add some Cayenne, just for better > taste. > You can add any other natural herbal spice that you prefer. > > Add unrefined sea salt - gray salt, whole grain. > Add chopped fish flesh (chopped in small pieces, not bigger then 2 " x1 " x1 " ) > > Add enough Olive oil to have at least 5mm or more of olive oil on the top of > juice. > > Close the jar and refrigerate it. > > Taste it after 2 days, and if it is not salty enough, add more sea salt. > Taste it after 3 days, and if it is not salty enough, add more sea salt. > > You can already eat it after 2-3 days. > > It can be kept refrigerated for up to one year! No other fish dish can be > kept > that long! > > I always add a few drops of parasite killing tincture (black > walnut+wormwood+cloves) just to be on the safe side, though lemon juice, > garlic > and ocean salt are potent enough to kill all parasites/bacteria/virus/yeast. > > > It tastes great; it has great shelf life, and can replace any fast food. > Tastes much better then canned fish. > > Most natural enzymes, amino acids, fatty acids, vitamins are preserved. > Try it, you will not regret! After eating it, you may very energetic! > I make one quantity every few weeks. > ========================================= > > > I never tried it with meat, but I am sure it would work as well. > > Espen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 At 06:18 10.04.2002 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the info on Omega-3. Is the temperature of 119 degrees F the >point at which destruction of Om-3 takes place? I am thinking of the >implications of cooking wild (not farm raised) fish or grass-fed beef which >are supposedly excellent sources of Om-3 except for the mercury in the wild >fish. Is the answer that we must eat them raw in order to save the Omega-3 >or can we?? Alternative to cooking: Fish Recipe: ============= Take one big glass jar and fill 1/3 of it with freshly pressed lemon juice. Juice must be freshly pressed! Add a lot of fresh sliced garlic. Also add some Cayenne, just for better taste. You can add any other natural herbal spice that you prefer. Add unrefined sea salt - gray salt, whole grain. Add chopped fish flesh (chopped in small pieces, not bigger then 2 " x1 " x1 " ) Add enough Olive oil to have at least 5mm or more of olive oil on the top of juice. Close the jar and refrigerate it. Taste it after 2 days, and if it is not salty enough, add more sea salt. Taste it after 3 days, and if it is not salty enough, add more sea salt. You can already eat it after 2-3 days. It can be kept refrigerated for up to one year! No other fish dish can be kept that long! I always add a few drops of parasite killing tincture (black walnut+wormwood+cloves) just to be on the safe side, though lemon juice, garlic and ocean salt are potent enough to kill all parasites/bacteria/virus/yeast. It tastes great; it has great shelf life, and can replace any fast food. Tastes much better then canned fish. Most natural enzymes, amino acids, fatty acids, vitamins are preserved. Try it, you will not regret! After eating it, you may very energetic! I make one quantity every few weeks. ========================================= I never tried it with meat, but I am sure it would work as well. Espen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 In a message dated 5/25/2002 11:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rpartovi@... writes: << Exactly my point, . You are a treasure. Everyone, give it up for . He is always so on top of things! Keepin' it real, >> <one hand clapping> Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Just to throw my 2 cents worth in. I know that there are a lot of supplements out there that are good for me but I'm just resistant to spending the time and the money. Somehow I don't think that hunter-gathers walked around with a pouch full of pills and liquids to supplement their diets. I've found that by following the ER4YT diet, having a good source of vitamin C and minerals, occasional flaxseed oil, and using deflect that I'm pretty healthy. In 4 years I've come from being in the CCU with heart failure and being prescribed a bag full of medicine to cutting out all but 3 daily meds and tripling the output of my heart. I completely attribute my improved health to this diet and not smoking. It is an amazing diet. I had to fight my doctors tooth and nail to get off of some of the meds and not follow the AMA diet. Had I listened to my doctors, I'd probably be dead by now or gravely ill. In fact, they seemed a little puzzled (and maybe a little annoyed) that I was doing so well. They couldn't explain it because, you see, I was supposed to get worse not better. 18 months ago, they were talking about a heart transplant and today they're just baffled. Well, I'm not baffled. I'm informed. ER4YT works. I'm hoping that at my next checkup, I can get completely off of all of my meds. I am all for naturopaths and homeopaths because they study wellness and the individuals overall health instead of simply treating symptoms. Each of us must be treated individually. To me, blanket diets or treatments just aren't specific enough. We are our own best doctors and dietitians Our bodies tell us what's good and what's not. We just need to listen. I find all of these posts to be very informative and want to thank you (including , Tom, , Axel, Emmi, Hilda, etc) all for taking the time to enlighten me. Thanks for having a website that's ER4YT friendly. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 In a message dated 5/26/2002 12:58:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwilson64@... writes: << Sometimes I think it's the competition of both that benefits everyone! >> I agree completely. I must say that my alliopathic doctors saved my life. They were brilliant and caring. There is no confusion there. Where I think they really blow it is AFTER they save your life. They stabilize you and wait for the next set of symptoms. This works like a series of temporary fixes. Unfortunately for them, we want to live more than 5 years. They live on twinkies. What do they know about diet? They have their heads down and only look at their specialty. Even general MDs feel compelled to load you up with pills just because...I went to the doctor a while back and we came to the conclusion that I probably had shingles and I needed to see an eye doctor. He still gave me a handful of pills and prescriptions " just in case " it was a sinus cold---LOL. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 In a message dated 5/26/2002 12:59:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, meand@... writes: << I have 2 BILs that have been really ill with heartprobs , bypasses etc. but they just are not interested. >> I have friends and relatives who have watched me struggle and recover and they've inquired about the diet. The minute they have to give up their Big Macs or their coffee they shut off and start looking for the next fad diet. There's a new anti-depressant out there that's supposed to help you lose weight and the women I know are just flocking to it. Oh well... Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Axel, As always your ability to disseminate and communicate highly granular (i.e. detailed) information never ceases to amaze me. I'll address the question you asked in a more general way. From my understanding there are three grades of fish oil in a sense. The most contaminated level is cod liver oil. Next up the chain with better contaminant removal is what Dr. Sears calls Health-Store grade fish oil that would include almost any fish oil on the market or available through an MLM or website with two exceptions, Omegabrite (www.omegabrite.com <http://www.omegabrite.com/> ) and Sears Labs (www.searslabs.com) <http://www.searslabs.com)/> . These two are the only pharmaceutical grade fish oils I am aware of. Tom Type O, Non-Secretor Omega-3 Thank you very much Tom , for your long reply concerning fish oils and explaining eicosanoid pathways and all that jazz. I am intrigued now with the prospect of fish oils. Back in early '99 I purchased a bottle of the Norwegian Cod Liver Oil, which listed vitamin D and A. It didn't taste very good. I was just starting in on the omega-3s, and my body had to be totally overwelmed with omega-6 over n-3, so every little bit helped. I prefer to get my A, the biologically available form of which is retinol, from liver and kidneys. You see, I love liver and kidneys SO MUCH that I try to avoid other sources of retinol, eggcept eggs of course. This way I can savor all my yummy grass-fed kidneys and livers, from lamb and beef and now buffalo! (some " Buffalo Gals " moved into this year's Farmer's Market, woohoo!). I stopped with the Cod Liver Oil, now I do take a miniscule amount of Cod Liver Oil, but now only as supplemental D from CLO extract, which I will take less of now that summer is " just around the corner " in Minnesota. But I want to say something: I totally agree that animal-derived EFAs are by far a superior source of EFAs, even if you are not a sick or elderly+sick or diabetic person unable to synthesize the omegas from veggies [yawn] into human-usable EFAs (DHA & EPA). I'm a young man, fairly healthy and I've noticed a huge difference after I've eaten a seven ounce portion of wild caught sea salmon. I can become very calm and relaxed after such meals. I think the word " groovy " is the best descriptor of the effects of good fish rich in omega-3s for me. No matter how much flaxseed oil I drink, I can't get that groovy feeling going. Now, a heaping mound of ground grass-fed beef can make me feel really happy too, but it is more of a " happy and ready to go out and be active " type feeling. So I'm sold on your angle of Omegas. I'm just afraid of the fish... although that might change because of this web site: http://www.state.me.us/dhs/etp/hglevels.htm I didn't know about pharmaceutical-grade fish oils, and I'm excited about getting some and using it as a way to stock up to ensure I'm " fully loaded " as I care about my brain, nervous system, emotions...well, everything! With the purity of pharmaceutical grade (and I wince whenever I hear the P word) it sounds like a very " hot " supplement. So I went out a day or two later and bought myself some fish oil. Let's see... It's " Jarrow formulas " " Max DHA " ... purified by molecular distillation, it is 80% omega-3 fish oil, 50% DHA & 20% EPA, 505 mg each in a gelatin softgel, laced with gamma tocopherol and ascorbyl palmitate for added protection of these long-chain fatty acids. So it is a sardine oil, 505 total mg, 250 mg DHA and 100mg EPA, 50mg stearidonic acid (this is all listed). Hmmm. Any thoughts on how much of this would be appropriate? This looks like a pretty good fish oil, molecular distillation sounds pretty good, is this close to pharmaceutical grade? Or is this a mildly-contaminated (thank you Mankind!) supplement which would be unsuitable at higher doses should I find myself reacting positively enough to suspect a winter-induced depletion of EFAs? It has been specially formulated to have a four-fold increase of the DHA, and since it has 2.5 times more DHA to EPA I'm quite sure this EFA balance will not cause the irritability and shakiness that Mr. has described. The usage instruction suggests 1-2 softgels with every meal, so that's 3-6 servings of this stuff, 750mg DHA & 300mg EPA up to 1.5 g (1,500mg) DHA & 600mg EPA per day, assuming the bottle assumes that *I* am a regular old chap who eats the standard three meals a day (yeah, and I wear a tie and work 9-5 too... he he he). I'm also guessing that if I go bonkers and have to up my " dosage " of therapeutically intense type-O weight training that I can also increase my level of yummy fish oils. I've been testing out my new, heavier body and I'm getting the familiar urge to work up to a real good " growth " phase! I am Spider Man! Axel O+ secretor P.S. I puncture these softgels and any other containers made of gelatin because what I read of where the gelatin is made from frightens me. " Mad Cow anyone? " " Sure! I'll just take in this convenient gelcap! " Everything frightens me these days... I'm a scared little bunny, shivering in terror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Tom - Do you know the downside of pharmaceutical grade fish oil? Is there any? While I respect Dr.Sears and his macro ratios, have you ever seen his own candy bars & it's ingredients? Just a thought. (I am not against refined omega 3 unless we hear it otherwise from ). Omega-3 Thank you very much Tom , for your long reply concerning fish oils and explaining eicosanoid pathways and all that jazz. I am intrigued now with the prospect of fish oils. Back in early '99 I purchased a bottle of the Norwegian Cod Liver Oil, which listed vitamin D and A. It didn't taste very good. I was just starting in on the omega-3s, and my body had to be totally overwelmed with omega-6 over n-3, so every little bit helped. I prefer to get my A, the biologically available form of which is retinol, from liver and kidneys. You see, I love liver and kidneys SO MUCH that I try to avoid other sources of retinol, eggcept eggs of course. This way I can savor all my yummy grass-fed kidneys and livers, from lamb and beef and now buffalo! (some " Buffalo Gals " moved into this year's Farmer's Market, woohoo!). I stopped with the Cod Liver Oil, now I do take a miniscule amount of Cod Liver Oil, but now only as supplemental D from CLO extract, which I will take less of now that summer is " just around the corner " in Minnesota. But I want to say something: I totally agree that animal-derived EFAs are by far a superior source of EFAs, even if you are not a sick or elderly+sick or diabetic person unable to synthesize the omegas from veggies [yawn] into human-usable EFAs (DHA & EPA). I'm a young man, fairly healthy and I've noticed a huge difference after I've eaten a seven ounce portion of wild caught sea salmon. I can become very calm and relaxed after such meals. I think the word " groovy " is the best descriptor of the effects of good fish rich in omega-3s for me. No matter how much flaxseed oil I drink, I can't get that groovy feeling going. Now, a heaping mound of ground grass-fed beef can make me feel really happy too, but it is more of a " happy and ready to go out and be active " type feeling. So I'm sold on your angle of Omegas. I'm just afraid of the fish... although that might change because of this web site: http://www.state.me.us/dhs/etp/hglevels.htm I didn't know about pharmaceutical-grade fish oils, and I'm excited about getting some and using it as a way to stock up to ensure I'm " fully loaded " as I care about my brain, nervous system, emotions...well, everything! With the purity of pharmaceutical grade (and I wince whenever I hear the P word) it sounds like a very " hot " supplement. So I went out a day or two later and bought myself some fish oil. Let's see... It's " Jarrow formulas " " Max DHA " ... purified by molecular distillation, it is 80% omega-3 fish oil, 50% DHA & 20% EPA, 505 mg each in a gelatin softgel, laced with gamma tocopherol and ascorbyl palmitate for added protection of these long-chain fatty acids. So it is a sardine oil, 505 total mg, 250 mg DHA and 100mg EPA, 50mg stearidonic acid (this is all listed). Hmmm. Any thoughts on how much of this would be appropriate? This looks like a pretty good fish oil, molecular distillation sounds pretty good, is this close to pharmaceutical grade? Or is this a mildly-contaminated (thank you Mankind!) supplement which would be unsuitable at higher doses should I find myself reacting positively enough to suspect a winter-induced depletion of EFAs? It has been specially formulated to have a four-fold increase of the DHA, and since it has 2.5 times more DHA to EPA I'm quite sure this EFA balance will not cause the irritability and shakiness that Mr. has described. The usage instruction suggests 1-2 softgels with every meal, so that's 3-6 servings of this stuff, 750mg DHA & 300mg EPA up to 1.5 g (1,500mg) DHA & 600mg EPA per day, assuming the bottle assumes that *I* am a regular old chap who eats the standard three meals a day (yeah, and I wear a tie and work 9-5 too... he he he). I'm also guessing that if I go bonkers and have to up my " dosage " of therapeutically intense type-O weight training that I can also increase my level of yummy fish oils. I've been testing out my new, heavier body and I'm getting the familiar urge to work up to a real good " growth " phase! I am Spider Man! Axel O+ secretor P.S. I puncture these softgels and any other containers made of gelatin because what I read of where the gelatin is made from frightens me. " Mad Cow anyone? " " Sure! I'll just take in this convenient gelcap! " Everything frightens me these days... I'm a scared little bunny, shivering in terror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Exactly my point, . You are a treasure. Everyone, give it up for . He is always so on top of things! Keepin' it real, On Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Dekany wrote: > have you ever seen his own candy bars & it's ingredients? Just a > thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 So are you . Thanks. Re: Omega-3 Exactly my point, . You are a treasure. Everyone, give it up for . He is always so on top of things! Keepin' it real, On Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 10:01 PM, Dekany wrote: > have you ever seen his own candy bars & it's ingredients? Just a > thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Ooops, I didn't answer your question about the downside of pharmaceutical grade fish oil. The closest thing to a downside I have heard related would be over-dosage. This can cause an over abundance of " good eicasanoids " which as with anything health related can be negative. Over-dosaging pharmaceutical grade fish oil releases additional water into the colon causeing loose stools as long as the over-dosage continues. Other than that there is always some risk to any fish oil in relation to contaminants, but that isn't unique to Pharmaceutical-Grade fish oil and in fact the risk is tremendously diminished as compared to any other grade of fish oil. I really think this grade of oil is a winner until they come up with even better ways to remove contaminants. As a qualifier to all supplementation, its ideal for it all to simply come from the diet, so maybe my energy should be shifted to finding and eating excellent whole food sources for my meat and veggies! I never thought I would have to wean myself off of fruits, but I'm doing that. Finally I am beginning to feel at home and comfortable eating large amounts of Collards, Kale, Spinach and Broccoli along with some carrots here which I eat less of because they have a higher glycemic index and glycemic load. Now I just have to learn how to cook fish. I tried Cod on my Foreman grill and got a dry overcooked mess that was hard to clean up. Oh how I wish I had two weeks to have a chef live in my house and teach me how to cook! My meals can get so boring because of my lack of knowledge and confidence in cooking and in how to use O-NS beneficial spices and/or sauces. But I'm never giving up! I feel too good. And , if it makes you feel better, I no longer follow Dr. Sears' 40-30-30 ratio. I'm inching my way up the protein charts and worrying less about ketosis with the low number of overall calories that I eat. Tom Type O Non-Secretor Omega-3 Thank you very much Tom , for your long reply concerning fish oils and explaining eicosanoid pathways and all that jazz. I am intrigued now with the prospect of fish oils. Back in early '99 I purchased a bottle of the Norwegian Cod Liver Oil, which listed vitamin D and A. It didn't taste very good. I was just starting in on the omega-3s, and my body had to be totally overwelmed with omega-6 over n-3, so every little bit helped. I prefer to get my A, the biologically available form of which is retinol, from liver and kidneys. You see, I love liver and kidneys SO MUCH that I try to avoid other sources of retinol, eggcept eggs of course. This way I can savor all my yummy grass-fed kidneys and livers, from lamb and beef and now buffalo! (some " Buffalo Gals " moved into this year's Farmer's Market, woohoo!). I stopped with the Cod Liver Oil, now I do take a miniscule amount of Cod Liver Oil, but now only as supplemental D from CLO extract, which I will take less of now that summer is " just around the corner " in Minnesota. But I want to say something: I totally agree that animal-derived EFAs are by far a superior source of EFAs, even if you are not a sick or elderly+sick or diabetic person unable to synthesize the omegas from veggies [yawn] into human-usable EFAs (DHA & EPA). I'm a young man, fairly healthy and I've noticed a huge difference after I've eaten a seven ounce portion of wild caught sea salmon. I can become very calm and relaxed after such meals. I think the word " groovy " is the best descriptor of the effects of good fish rich in omega-3s for me. No matter how much flaxseed oil I drink, I can't get that groovy feeling going. Now, a heaping mound of ground grass-fed beef can make me feel really happy too, but it is more of a " happy and ready to go out and be active " type feeling. So I'm sold on your angle of Omegas. I'm just afraid of the fish... although that might change because of this web site: http://www.state.me.us/dhs/etp/hglevels.htm I didn't know about pharmaceutical-grade fish oils, and I'm excited about getting some and using it as a way to stock up to ensure I'm " fully loaded " as I care about my brain, nervous system, emotions...well, everything! With the purity of pharmaceutical grade (and I wince whenever I hear the P word) it sounds like a very " hot " supplement. So I went out a day or two later and bought myself some fish oil. Let's see... It's " Jarrow formulas " " Max DHA " ... purified by molecular distillation, it is 80% omega-3 fish oil, 50% DHA & 20% EPA, 505 mg each in a gelatin softgel, laced with gamma tocopherol and ascorbyl palmitate for added protection of these long-chain fatty acids. So it is a sardine oil, 505 total mg, 250 mg DHA and 100mg EPA, 50mg stearidonic acid (this is all listed). Hmmm. Any thoughts on how much of this would be appropriate? This looks like a pretty good fish oil, molecular distillation sounds pretty good, is this close to pharmaceutical grade? Or is this a mildly-contaminated (thank you Mankind!) supplement which would be unsuitable at higher doses should I find myself reacting positively enough to suspect a winter-induced depletion of EFAs? It has been specially formulated to have a four-fold increase of the DHA, and since it has 2.5 times more DHA to EPA I'm quite sure this EFA balance will not cause the irritability and shakiness that Mr. has described. The usage instruction suggests 1-2 softgels with every meal, so that's 3-6 servings of this stuff, 750mg DHA & 300mg EPA up to 1.5 g (1,500mg) DHA & 600mg EPA per day, assuming the bottle assumes that *I* am a regular old chap who eats the standard three meals a day (yeah, and I wear a tie and work 9-5 too... he he he). I'm also guessing that if I go bonkers and have to up my " dosage " of therapeutically intense type-O weight training that I can also increase my level of yummy fish oils. I've been testing out my new, heavier body and I'm getting the familiar urge to work up to a real good " growth " phase! I am Spider Man! Axel O+ secretor P.S. I puncture these softgels and any other containers made of gelatin because what I read of where the gelatin is made from frightens me. " Mad Cow anyone? " " Sure! I'll just take in this convenient gelcap! " Everything frightens me these days... I'm a scared little bunny, shivering in terror. 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Did you see the price of that oil? $87.00! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 The $87 is a bit of a confusing number to throw out without qualification. An bottle of his fish oil which is consumed orally and not in capsules is $87.95 before shipping costs. This is a 60 day supply for those who take it as recommended. If you want to take less it can last longer. That should give some perspective to the $87. The capsules are a bit more expensive. I have them autoshipped monthly and a 60-day supply costs me $89.88 in Texas all costs included. It's expensive, but all new technologies are that way until they begin to become more mass. It's truly a different product than any thing available retail. RE: Omega-3 Did you see the price of that oil? $87.00! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Excellent testimony Max! Congratulations. In a perverse way I'm almost glad the medical establishment is out there. They account for the very generic scientific research that the naturopaths and homeopaths can spin their wonderful detailed " in your face " truths. Sometimes I think it's the competition of both that benefits everyone! But at the same time I wish every doctor would at least adopt the idea that we don't all react the same way to everything. This I'm sure they know, but I wish they could see their way clear to accepting that at the very least blood type is one very strong and obvious way to bring great benefit to their treatments. But science has never been about scence, in fact looking at those words science would be sense if not for the I C (spoken " I see " ). Tom Re: Omega-3 Just to throw my 2 cents worth in. I know that there are a lot of supplements out there that are good for me but I'm just resistant to spending the time and the money. Somehow I don't think that hunter-gathers walked around with a pouch full of pills and liquids to supplement their diets. I've found that by following the ER4YT diet, having a good source of vitamin C and minerals, occasional flaxseed oil, and using deflect that I'm pretty healthy. In 4 years I've come from being in the CCU with heart failure and being prescribed a bag full of medicine to cutting out all but 3 daily meds and tripling the output of my heart. I completely attribute my improved health to this diet and not smoking. It is an amazing diet. I had to fight my doctors tooth and nail to get off of some of the meds and not follow the AMA diet. Had I listened to my doctors, I'd probably be dead by now or gravely ill. In fact, they seemed a little puzzled (and maybe a little annoyed) that I was doing so well. They couldn't explain it because, you see, I was supposed to get worse not better. 18 months ago, they were talking about a heart transplant and today they're just baffled. Well, I'm not baffled. I'm informed. ER4YT works. I'm hoping that at my next checkup, I can get completely off of all of my meds. I am all for naturopaths and homeopaths because they study wellness and the individuals overall health instead of simply treating symptoms. Each of us must be treated individually. To me, blanket diets or treatments just aren't specific enough. We are our own best doctors and dietitians Our bodies tell us what's good and what's not. We just need to listen. I find all of these posts to be very informative and want to thank you (including , Tom, , Axel, Emmi, Hilda, etc) all for taking the time to enlighten me. Thanks for having a website that's ER4YT friendly. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 I think the key is that in the past the body of knowledge was too vast and uncommunicated for one man to get his arms around, but with all the research, all the testing, all the books and internet etc, doctors today have no moral excuse not to begin connecting more dots together. To not do so is to rely on the comfortable past of the fraternity of their profession over their own ability to think and grasp. Re: Omega-3 In a message dated 5/26/2002 12:58:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwilson64@... writes: << Sometimes I think it's the competition of both that benefits everyone! >> I agree completely. I must say that my alliopathic doctors saved my life. They were brilliant and caring. There is no confusion there. Where I think they really blow it is AFTER they save your life. They stabilize you and wait for the next set of symptoms. This works like a series of temporary fixes. Unfortunately for them, we want to live more than 5 years. They live on twinkies. What do they know about diet? They have their heads down and only look at their specialty. Even general MDs feel compelled to load you up with pills just because...I went to the doctor a while back and we came to the conclusion that I probably had shingles and I needed to see an eye doctor. He still gave me a handful of pills and prescriptions " just in case " it was a sinus cold---LOL. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 ..Max. that's about the longest letter from you in a long time. LOL I'm so glad you are doing well. I have 2 BILs that have been really ill with heartprobs , bypasses etc. but they just are not interested. I guess, if their wifes are not willing to do the diet, they just can't seem to go it on their own. Like they say, you can lead a horse to the water... Keep up the good work and stay well, Emmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 In a message dated 5/29/2002 1:27:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwilson64@... writes: > While Hunter-Gatherers may not have walked around with bottles of > supplements, lets not forget that they didn't tend to live too long for > many reasons That comment made me think about a course I once took at the local University. The professor was involved in a dig at a local Native Indian burial ground. He brought in some of the results of the dig and according to him most of the Indians had died at about 35 or so with severe ostio-arthritis (spelling?) and very few teeth. Certainly burst my bubble about the fleet-footed Brave running through the woods hunting and gathering. Sharon (Ontario) Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 Dear Tom, Well said! Often it seems to me that money is the engine that's driving America's health system. Others have said that the pharmaceutical industry in America is the world's largest drug cartel. Currently our " health care " system is directed at finding a drug for a symptom, rather than seeking a cure. In our country's history, great medical discoveries were motivated by compassion and moral obligation, rather than personal financial gain. Maybe those doctors who accepted chickens and produce as payment for helping their patients knew more than some people give them credit for. While money has funded research and certainly " the laborer is worthy of his wages, " it would be nice to see doctors and health insurance providers caring about people and their overall health again, and responding with a variety of approaches to treating the whole person. Thank you for your intelligent and insightful comments! Carrol Tom <tomwilson64@...> wrote: I think the key is that in the past the body of knowledge was too vast and uncommunicated for one man to get his arms around, but with all the research, all the testing, all the books and internet etc, doctors today have no moral excuse not to begin connecting more dots together. To not do so is to rely on the comfortable past of the fraternity of their profession over their own ability to think and grasp. Re: Omega-3 In a message dated 5/26/2002 12:58:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwilson64@... writes: << Sometimes I think it's the competition of both that benefits everyone! >> I agree completely. I must say that my alliopathic doctors saved my life. They were brilliant and caring. There is no confusion there. Where I think they really blow it is AFTER they save your life. They stabilize you and wait for the next set of symptoms. This works like a series of temporary fixes. Unfortunately for them, we want to live more than 5 years. They live on twinkies. What do they know about diet? They have their heads down and only look at their specialty. Even general MDs feel compelled to load you up with pills just because...I went to the doctor a while back and we came to the conclusion that I probably had shingles and I needed to see an eye doctor. He still gave me a handful of pills and prescriptions " just in case " it was a sinus cold---LOL. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 Dear Max, The visual image of a hunter-gatherer walking around with bottles of supplements made me smile -- something I have not been able to do much lately. Thank you so much! Of course, you are right that the best sources for our nutrition should come from food, not pills, etc. Unfortunately, I found that my body needs additional supplementation, for whatever reason. Though I do follow the ER4YT diet, other health problems make it difficult for me to process and absorb nutrients, hence the need for bio-available supplementation. I guess, like you, severe illness has driven me to finding every solution possible. ER4YT works. Sadly, I learned this after my defective biological unit was unable to gain full benefit from its implementation. My hope is that, with continued diligence, my body will repair itself and I will, once again, be able to eat without taking a handful of pills. (At this point in my life, I don't think I could ever return to chemically derived medications. I'd rather die first.) Thank you for your thoughtful comments and testimony. It encourages me to keep going forward! Best wishes, Carrol Maddviking@... wrote: Just to throw my 2 cents worth in. I know that there are a lot of supplements out there that are good for me but I'm just resistant to spending the time and the money. Somehow I don't think that hunter-gathers walked around with a pouch full of pills and liquids to supplement their diets. I've found that by following the ER4YT diet, having a good source of vitamin C and minerals, occasional flaxseed oil, and using deflect that I'm pretty healthy. In 4 years I've come from being in the CCU with heart failure and being prescribed a bag full of medicine to cutting out all but 3 daily meds and tripling the output of my heart. I completely attribute my improved health to this diet and not smoking. It is an amazing diet. I had to fight my doctors tooth and nail to get off of some of the meds and not follow the AMA diet. Had I listened to my doctors, I'd probably be dead by now or gravely ill. In fact, they seemed a little puzzled (and maybe a little annoyed) that I was doing so well. They couldn't explain it because, you see, I was supposed to get worse not better. 18 months ago, they were talking about a heart transplant and today they're just baffled. Well, I'm not baffled. I'm informed. ER4YT works. I'm hoping that at my next checkup, I can get completely off of all of my meds. I am all for naturopaths and homeopaths because they study wellness and the individuals overall health instead of simply treating symptoms. Each of us must be treated individually. To me, blanket diets or treatments just aren't specific enough. We are our own best doctors and dietitians Our bodies tell us what's good and what's not. We just need to listen. I find all of these posts to be very informative and want to thank you (including , Tom, , Axel, Emmi, Hilda, etc) all for taking the time to enlighten me. Thanks for having a website that's ER4YT friendly. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 In a message dated 5/29/2002 1:27:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tomwilson64@... writes: << While Hunter-Gatherers may not have walked around with bottles of supplements, lets not forget that they didn't tend to live too long for many reasons and if they'd had access and trust, I bet they would have loved to have the assistance of useful supplements :-) >> Is it not true though that there have been recent forensic discoveries where some of these groups of people lived quite extended lives if they were in lands of plenty and avoided fatal accident? Haven't they found ancient Mongolians, South and North American Indians, and Egyptians who lived well into their 80s who were reasonably healthy in their old age? Most people died young from disease, accident, or being something's lunch. I also believe that we continue to underrate our ancestors and that they did have occasional supplements and medications. On the contrary, I think we've actually stepped backwards with our food sources, supplements, and health habits compared to our ancestors. Please don't misunderstand. I wasn't proposing that we exchange places. I was alluding to the diet and constitution I've inherited. Of course, I might want to exchange their food sources that were probably much purer and healthier. I agree that by all means take supplements when you need them. I certainly do. I just don't believe that a healthy person who eats properly needs a lot of daily supplements. I have friends who went crazy during the megavitamin era 30 years ago and have gravely damaged their bodies. I imagine that the lettuce and crackers diet (vegan) didn't help either. My fear with supplements is the same as with food. We are a profit driven society and that colors our perception of what's good to sell vs what'll get by. How do we know that the " filler " materials used to make the tablet aren't contaminated or that proper diligence and care has been taken while making the supplements? Oh gee Max, go to a good company to buy your products. Like Proctor and Gamble, Gerber, Kraft, etc.? They've all had contaminated foods taken off of the shelves. I've tried very hard to minimize eating anything processed and supplements are all processed unless you chew the leaves or eat the root. The more different things I eat or take daily the more is the probability that I'll consume something contaminated (again). I'm just trying to stay as simple as I can with my diet. I really envy you folks who are on farms and can grow, raise, and eat your own food. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 While Hunter-Gatherers may not have walked around with bottles of supplements, lets not forget that they didn't tend to live too long for many reasons and if they'd had access and trust, I bet they would have loved to have the assistance of useful supplements :-) As romantic as it may be to tie ourselves back to an image we each conjure up, I'm certain these hunter-gatherers felt no particular romanticism about trying to survive each day and figure out what was or wasn't poison without the help of the exhaustive education resources we now have. There are plenty of holes in information today, but I'm still betting the Hunter-Gatherers would have more passion about trading places with us than we would with them :-) Tom Type O, Non-Secretor who proudly carries his bottle of fish oil as well as wisely eating good whole food sources :-) Re: Omega-3 Dear Max, The visual image of a hunter-gatherer walking around with bottles of supplements made me smile -- something I have not been able to do much lately. Thank you so much! Of course, you are right that the best sources for our nutrition should come from food, not pills, etc. Unfortunately, I found that my body needs additional supplementation, for whatever reason. Though I do follow the ER4YT diet, other health problems make it difficult for me to process and absorb nutrients, hence the need for bio-available supplementation. I guess, like you, severe illness has driven me to finding every solution possible. ER4YT works. Sadly, I learned this after my defective biological unit was unable to gain full benefit from its implementation. My hope is that, with continued diligence, my body will repair itself and I will, once again, be able to eat without taking a handful of pills. (At this point in my life, I don't think I could ever return to chemically derived medications. I'd rather die first.) Thank you for your thoughtful comments and testimony. It encourages me to keep going forward! Best wishes, Carrol Maddviking@... wrote: Just to throw my 2 cents worth in. I know that there are a lot of supplements out there that are good for me but I'm just resistant to spending the time and the money. Somehow I don't think that hunter-gathers walked around with a pouch full of pills and liquids to supplement their diets. I've found that by following the ER4YT diet, having a good source of vitamin C and minerals, occasional flaxseed oil, and using deflect that I'm pretty healthy. In 4 years I've come from being in the CCU with heart failure and being prescribed a bag full of medicine to cutting out all but 3 daily meds and tripling the output of my heart. I completely attribute my improved health to this diet and not smoking. It is an amazing diet. I had to fight my doctors tooth and nail to get off of some of the meds and not follow the AMA diet. Had I listened to my doctors, I'd probably be dead by now or gravely ill. In fact, they seemed a little puzzled (and maybe a little annoyed) that I was doing so well. They couldn't explain it because, you see, I was supposed to get worse not better. 18 months ago, they were talking about a heart transplant and today they're just baffled. Well, I'm not baffled. I'm informed. ER4YT works. I'm hoping that at my next checkup, I can get completely off of all of my meds. I am all for naturopaths and homeopaths because they study wellness and the individuals overall health instead of simply treating symptoms. Each of us must be treated individually. To me, blanket diets or treatments just aren't specific enough. We are our own best doctors and dietitians Our bodies tell us what's good and what's not. We just need to listen. I find all of these posts to be very informative and want to thank you (including , Tom, , Axel, Emmi, Hilda, etc) all for taking the time to enlighten me. Thanks for having a website that's ER4YT friendly. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 Tom, I have to agree on one point, those hunter-gatherers of old did rarely live beyond 45. Some of us have that beat by quite a bit. My2c, Emmi (trying to take those vits whenever she remembers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 My naturopath had me use Eskimo 3, and I used just that for several years, but I wanted to increase EPA levels because of reading about a particular CFS doctor's or researchers conclusions (I can't remember what the conclusions were, now) so started including Nordic Naturals EPA formula. I did so much better on the Nordic Naturals EPA formula that I use mostly Nordic Naturals EPA formula. (Still use a little Eskimo 3) It has significantly helped my cognitive function and neurological symptoms. You'd think that I'd do better with the DHA formula, because it's the one that is supposed to be more for neurological. I'm not sure why I benefit more from the EPA formula, which is supposed to be more cardiological, except that I think that much of my neurological problems are because of reduced blood flow to the brain, and improving heart function and blood vessel health increases blood flow to the brain. Not to mention that Omega 3 fats decrease blood coagulation problems. As far as flax seed oil, I never benefited from it at all. Turns out I can't seem to process Omega 3 fats from plant sources. I remember reading somewhere (don't ask me where) that people who descend from cultures that were coastal and consumed a high fish diet often lack the genetic ability to metabolize Omega 3 fats from plant sources. They also found that a lot of people from German descent also seem to lack the genetics. I'm a real mix of things, but I happen to have East Coast Native American (Pequot, ate a high fish diet), Japanese (also high fish diet), some Scotch (from fishermen ancestors) and German, among other things. So I'm not surprised that Flax seed oil does nothing for me. Ironically, I tried for years to eat a vegetarian diet (which fortunately had some small amount of Omega 3 fats in dairy and eggs, although not enough, and had health problems for years that are probably connected with it) but when I tried to become a vegan, my health crashed terribly. And I've wondered if it was because of the Omega 3 fats problem. However, from what I understand, people who have a lot of intercellular infections may also have problems processing Omega 3 fats from plant sources, and Lyme can be an intercellular infection, or open the door for other opportunistic intercellular infections. So I can't be sure whether my Omega 3 fats problem is from inherited genetics, or just a result of the infections I have. Not to mention that there seems to be high oxidative stress with chronic infections, and that can cause oxidation of fatty acids, which may contribute to Omega 3 fat problems. lindaj@... [ ] Omega-3 > Hi All: > > I was wondering if anyone has found omega-3 fatty acids helpful with some > of the neurological symptoms of Lyme and if so, what source for this you > take. I take Flaxseed oil, but have taken Norwegian Cod Liver Oil also and > that has an advantage as it has Vit. A, E, and D as well. This seems to > make the head fog - concentration and inflammation problems better. > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Thank you: > > Glen Wolfsen > burg, NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I know that flax seed and hemp are popularly-recommended plant-based sources of omega-3. However, with this being discussed here, and figuring most members here are pretty open-minded, I'd like to share some info from Creel. I don't know how I would re-phrase this as it is a series of facts so I hope she doesn't mind if I use her own words. She has said the following about plant-based omega-3 sources: <<Plant-based omega-3s provide alpha linolenic acid, which then must be converted by the body to EPA and DHA. The conversion rate is about 4% for EPA and less than 2% for DHA IF everything is present in the proper quantities for the conversion to occur (this is a rarity). At this rate, a person would have to drink quarts a day of a plant-based omega-3, still, with no guaranteee of getting the EPA and DHA. One of the reasons for taking fish oil is to balance the ratio of omega3 to omega-6. Another problem with the most popular plant-based omega-3 products is that they contain an over-abundance of omega-6, an essential fatty acid much too prevalent in our diets today. Consequently, one never gets to rectify the ratio if one is using a product like flax.>> This really struck me because most literature you read does not mention the fact that plant-based sources do not contain the actual EPA and DHA, but only the ALA. And then, if you're lucky, the body only converts a small portion of this. I'm not sure how a person would be able to balance omega-3s with omega-6s without actual fish oil, though surely it would be a big help to cut down on all rich sources of omega-6s, such as vegetable oils (excluding olive oil). When gives info like this I know that she has done research and is not making it up. I have seen for myself that people commonly claim that various nutrients are available from plants, without explaining or even knowing that their bioavailability is different than if the nutrients came from other sources such as meat or grains. There's usually more to these things than meets the eye. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 I know that flax seed and hemp are popularly-recommended plant-based sources of omega-3. However, with this being discussed here, and figuring most members here are pretty open-minded, I'd like to share some info from Creel. I don't know how I would re-phrase this as it is a series of facts so I hope she doesn't mind if I use her own words. She has said the following about plant-based omega-3 sources: <<Plant-based omega-3s provide alpha linolenic acid, which then must be converted by the body to EPA and DHA. The conversion rate is about 4% for EPA and less than 2% for DHA IF everything is present in the proper quantities for the conversion to occur (this is a rarity). At this rate, a person would have to drink quarts a day of a plant-based omega-3, still, with no guaranteee of getting the EPA and DHA. One of the reasons for taking fish oil is to balance the ratio of omega3 to omega-6. Another problem with the most popular plant-based omega-3 products is that they contain an over-abundance of omega-6, an essential fatty acid much too prevalent in our diets today. Consequently, one never gets to rectify the ratio if one is using a product like flax.>> This really struck me because most literature you read does not mention the fact that plant-based sources do not contain the actual EPA and DHA, but only the ALA. And then, if you're lucky, the body only converts a small portion of this. I'm not sure how a person would be able to balance omega-3s with omega-6s without actual fish oil, though surely it would be a big help to cut down on all rich sources of omega-6s, such as vegetable oils (excluding olive oil). When gives info like this I know that she has done research and is not making it up. I have seen for myself that people commonly claim that various nutrients are available from plants, without explaining or even knowing that their bioavailability is different than if the nutrients came from other sources such as meat or grains. There's usually more to these things than meets the eye. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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