Re: T:E2 ratios Bruce

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Hi Mick,

There are several ways to bring down E2. With TRT, one is to use a slow,

steady and regular T delivery method. Another: zinc and cruciferous

vegetables work for some folks. DIM has been mentioned recently as a

supplement, sort of a cruciferous-vegetable concentrate. Meds (like Arimidex)

to block the aromatase enzyme are another: T is converted to E2 by

aromatase, so blocking it not only keeps E2 down, it also leaves more

unconverted T available.

I had a little trouble with Arimidex working too well. Right now I'm using zinc

and considering adding DIM.

Bruce

>

> Hi,

>

> IMO the T:E2 ratio is helpful as a sign to look a little closer at what's

going

on:

> just where are the T & E2? (It's sort of like price-earnings ratios for stocks

or

> gold-silver price ratios in precious metals. They don't mean anything by

> themselves.)

>

> It's a quick-and-dirty thumb rule, and only works if T levels are high enough,

> and E2 is not too high. Example: if T is 1,200 and E2 is 80, the ratio of 15

> seems good, but the individual will probably still feel rotten from high E2.

> Likewise, a ratio of 15 probably won't be good if T is only 300 and E2 is 20.

(I

> forget who here mentioned that the ratio only works if the levels they're

based

> on are okay.)

>

> My last test (9/23/04) was:

> Testosterone, Serum 685 (R: 241-827 ng/dL)

> Estradiol 51 (R: 0-53 pg/mL)

> and I'm not feeling good. Ratio is 13.4 I think I'd feel a lot better if I got

my E2

> down to the low 40s. Doing that should also boost T.

>

> I'm willing to overlook the units issue, dividing the ng/dL number by the

pg/mL

> one. As long as I know that's what's being done. If I want the result to be

from

> identical units, all I have to do is divide by 10. If someone says a range of

5

to

> 30, I know he's ignored units. If he says 0.5 to 3.0, I know he's used

identical

> units.

>

> A much more accurate gage would be FREE T to E2. Has anyone seen

> ranges mentioned on those numbers? I haven't found any.

>

> Bruce

>

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