Dan's Question Re Prolactin Level

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Hey Dan:

Actually, if you can get your doctor to prescribe Dostinex, that

works better than anything. With my insurance it was dirt cheap

too. However, my doctor quit prescribing it for me when he found

out that it lowered my prolactin level so well that my refractory

period was also cured to what I had previously been used to. I

should have kept my mouth shut about that. You see, prolactin is

what gives you a refractory period. Before ED hit, I had NEVER had

to worry about any refractory period. I was able to keep right on

ejaculating, going onto rounds 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. no problem.

Anyway -- long story short, my doctor refused to continue

prescribing Dostinex for me. My wife had been studying EVERYTHING

to do with ED, she knew mucuna pruriens (L-Dopa) would accomplish

the same result as Dostinex if taken in large enough quantities.

Phil is correct in his post. I order what I take from:

http://www.internationalsupplements.com/Products/l_dopa.html

and I take a huge tablespoon full after breakfast, lunch & dinner

every day. They will send you a tiny spoon, throw it in the trash

and get out a tablespoon. What I use now is actually a large

plastic soup spoon I got at a Chinese restaurant. I heap up a small

mountain of the stuff in the spoon, throw it at the back of my

throat and, swallow it down with tea.

I have been asked how long a bottle lasts me and truthfully, I don't

know because I always order several bottles at one time and just go

from one to the next.

I knew from getting a complete physical every year to get my

prolactin level back down around " 2 " in order to get back to what

was normal for me.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Gene

-- In , Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@y...>

wrote:

> What's the best way to reduce prolactin?

>

> Arkansas

>

> Guy DelRegno <gdelregno@y...> wrote:

> Gene,

>

> Thanks for responding. I have been diagnosed with

> secondary hypo. I have been trying to work with my gp

> and endo to get this corrected. I see my gp again on

> Aug 23rd and my endo in September. I did take the

> necessary MRI scan to see if there was a tumor and it

> came back negative. I don't have any previous

> reference ranges prior to having my first test levels

> checked 2 yrs ago. I have gone from 186 to 526 in

> that timeframe with 10grams of Androgel daily. I want

> to try Testim to see if the absorption problem is

> adjusted with this brand. If that doesn't work, I

> want to try weekly shots and restest both E2 and

> prolactin frequently. Any suggestions you can make

> would be appreciated, this has been driving me nuts

> for over 18 months now and both of the doctors keep

> saying that have no answers for me.

>

> Thanks, Guy

>

> --- Gene Bowhay <genebowhay@p...> wrote:

>

> > Guy:

> >

> > I don't know exactly what kind of problems you're

> > having but I do

> > know your prolactin level is WAY too high. I've

> > worked for Quest

> > Labs for over 25 years and believe me, their

> > supposedly " normal "

> > reference ranges are SO aggrivating to me -- don't

> > get me started!

> >

> > In my case, my E2 has not really given me that much

> > trouble. Thank

> > God. HOWEVER, my prolactin level has always been

> > the troublemaker

> > for me. Knowing this, I try to keep my prolactin

> > level no higher

> > than " 2 " and, I'm my normal self at this level.

> >

> > Depending on what kind of ED problems you're having,

> > your prolactin

> > level may be your troublemaker too.

> >

> > Hope this helps!

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Gene

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Hello... and welcome aboard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Assuming those are Total T levels that you

> > have

> > > > > produced there, what

> > > > > " normal range " of values does your regular lab

> > > > use?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also would be helpful to know what your Free T

> > > > > levels are (and your

> > > > > lab's normal ranges) and also your E2

> > (Estradiol)

> > > > > levels (and - yep -

> > > > > your lab's normal ranges).

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T is generally a better indicator of

> > positive

> > > > T

> > > > > levels for

> > > > > purposes of divining TRT than is that of Total

> > > > T....

> > > > > but it ends up

> > > > > being like kids in a gym where everyone wants

> > to

> > > > > know " how much is

> > > > > your bench " , so throwing around Total T

> > figures

> > > > > seems to dominate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, based on just " general averages " , the

> > > > > figures that you are

> > > > > showing (570 - 600 with a range of let's say

> > 220 -

> > > > > 1000) should be

> > > > > sufficient for TRT purposes in general.

> > > > >

> > > > > However....

> > > > >

> > > > > You may have highly elevated E2 levels (E2

> > causes

> > > > > symptoms just like

> > > > > low T).

> > > > >

> > > > > You may simply have a T sensitivity and need a

> > > > still

> > > > > higher dosing to

> > > > > feel the " expected " results (you never

> > specified,

> > > > > but are you

> > > > > experiencing any particular symptoms... or was

> > it

> > > > > simply that this

> > > > > hasn't been the explosion of fireworks that

> > you

> > > > > imagined?). But

> > > > > dosings being applied are already at the 12.5

> > > > grams

> > > > > per day level...

> > > > > thick skin levels? Poor absorption? Bad

> > product

> > > > (see

> > > > > more below)?

> > > > >

> > > > > As to AG versus IM shots, well, that might be

> > > > > improperly worded. AG

> > > > > appears to have been giving transdermal gels a

> > > > > black-eye in that they

> > > > > don't seem to be deliverying as much T across

> > the

> > > > > skin barrier and

> > > > > into the dermal layers and then leached into

> > the

> > > > > blood as they claim

> > > > > (e-mail me if you want a more detailed

> > > > > explanantion)... AND they (AG)

> > > > > have had some quality control issues with many

> > > > users

> > > > > - including yours

> > > > > truly - reporting that opened packets were

> > only

> > > > 1/2

> > > > > full, only 1/3

> > > > > full... or even empty.

> > > > >

> > > > > Conversely Testim has not only received higher

> > > > marks

> > > > > from users of the

> > > > > Board (and other Boards), but there's at least

> > one

> > > > > study that confirms

> > > > > the higher effectiveness of Testim as compared

> > to

> > > > > AG....

> > > > >

> > > > > See:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> >

> cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12673669 & query_hl=5

> > > > > QUOTE:

> > > > > Twenty-nine hypogonadal subjects received a

> > single

> > > > > dose (50 mg

> > > > > testosterone) of each formulation seven days

> > > > apart.

> > > > > C(max) estimates

> > > > > for total testosterone, dihydrotestosterone

> > and

> > > > free

> > > > > testosterone were

> > > > > greater (30, 19 and 38%, respectively)

> > following

> > > > the

> > > > > application of

> > > > > Testim compared to AndroGel. Similarly,

> > AUC(0-24)

> > > > > estimates for total

> > > > > testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, and free

> > > > > testosterone were greater

> > > > > (30, 11 and 47%, respectively) following the

> >

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