hcg

[Guest guest]

> Hey guys i'm planning to travel abroad outside of the United States

> and wonder how i can bring HCG and the needles on the plane and keep

> it refrigerated. Has anyone here been able to keep it refrigerated on

> a long flight and how can u bring the needles on flight? And is HCG

> still usable if its not refrigerated for say 30hrs..thanks

I put my filled syringes in a freezer pack for travel. I've found it

stays cold for about 10 hours or so. Another option is to take the

unreconstituted vials and reconstitute when you arrive. I've never done

the latter. The problems with the latter approach are (1) the vial only

lasts as long as the trip and (2) you need to bring a big syringe with

you for reconstituting. Make sure you bring the prescription label from

your drug store with you. Airport security may not accept the actual

script from your doctor.

I don't know how long HCG will last unrefrigerated. I've used it after

being uncooled for about 12 hours (because my freezer pack warmed on a

long trip) but I don't know how much potency, if any, that I lost that

time.

I just found this freezer pack on the net.

http://diabetes.about.com/cs/productreviews/gr/FRIO_review.htm

It claims to keep stuff cold for at least 45 hours! It comes in

different sizes and colors. I going to order one and try it out.

[Guest guest]

I have found an adequate way to transport HCG that has already

been mixed up is just to carry it in a small thermos packed with

ice. I usually put the vial or the entire box in a sealed plastic bag

to keep it dry. It takes well over 24 hours for all the ice to melt,

sometimes 2 days, depending on the ambient temperature. If

you are staying in a hotel room with no refrigerator, there is

almost always ice available. If I was going on a very long trip and

expected a lot of searches I would take unmixed HCG. I once

had my bag searched in the US and when they came to the

thermos I just explained that it was medicine I took and they

were cool with that.

When travelling on planes I keep the thermos in my suitcase and

carry an unmixed vial in my carry-on with a few needles in case

the suitcase is lost.

Make sure you have a copy of your prescription or at least the

original box with the pharmacy label. I would guess that you

would need to get advice about the needles that is specific to

where you will be travelling. Websites for diabetics probably

have info on this.

[Guest guest]

> I have found an adequate way to

> transport HCG that has already

> been mixed up is just to carry it

> in a small thermos packed with ice.

A thermos takes up way too much space for me. I like to carry on when I

fly so I don't have to wait for my luggage. The freezer pack is nice

because it's relatively small.

But this new FRIO Insulin Cool Wallet sounds too good to be true. Not

only does it stay cold 4 times longer (45 vs. 12 hours), but it's tiny,

too! Also, if you want to use it again, you don't need a refrigerator.

You just put it in cold water for 15 minutes and it's good for another

45 hours!

[Guest guest]

That is cool if it really works but it does kind of sound too good to

be true. It must be incredibly well insulated. The general

problem with cold packs is that you need a refrigerator. Ice

keeps cold longer than cold water at the same temperature

because of the latent heat needed to melt it. Maybe these packs

have some special high-freezing point material that gets around

this problem.

>

> > I have found an adequate way to

> > transport HCG that has already

> > been mixed up is just to carry it

> > in a small thermos packed with ice.

>

> A thermos takes up way too much space for me. I like to carry

on when I

> fly so I don't have to wait for my luggage. The freezer pack is

nice

> because it's relatively small.

>

> But this new FRIO Insulin Cool Wallet sounds too good to be

true. Not

> only does it stay cold 4 times longer (45 vs. 12 hours), but it's

tiny,

> too! Also, if you want to use it again, you don't need a

refrigerator.

> You just put it in cold water for 15 minutes and it's good for

another

> 45 hours!

[Guest guest]

> That is cool if it really works but it does kind of sound too good to

> be true. It must be incredibly well insulated. The general

> problem with cold packs is that you need a refrigerator. Ice

> keeps cold longer than cold water at the same temperature

> because of the latent heat needed to melt it. Maybe these packs

> have some special high-freezing point material that gets around

> this problem.

From what I read, the FRIO contains pouches with crystals. Once you put

it in cold water for 15 minutes, the crystals " expand " into a gel. I

gather that it stays cold as long as it's a gel and, when it warms up,

it turns back into crystal form. Seems backwards to me (i.e, I thought

that things turn solid when they get colder, not the other way around),

but I couldn't find a more technical description of what's going on

here. In fact, I couldn't even find what temperature they maintain,

other than to say that they keep insulin " at the right temperature. "

Here's a quote from the manufacturer's website.

http://www.frio.ws/english/

FRIO wallets have been developed which keeps insulin safe for at least

45 hours - even in constant environmental temperatures of 39° Celsius.

The principle is simple. To activate the wallet, it is immersed in cold

water for 10-15 minutes. Crystals contained in the panels of the wallet

then expand into a gel, which remains cool for several days - relying on

the process of evaporation for cooling.

Although activated by water, a feature of the product is that, after

towel-drying, the FRIO wallet is dry to the touch. The CambrelleT pouch

we supply free of charge with each FRIO wallet increases the wallet's

efficiency and allows it to be carried in a coat pocket or handbag as

required.

[Guest guest]

> my endo today prescribed for me HCG brand Novarel. There are many

> brands of HCG....Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, Profasi. Is there a

> difference between the different brands?

They all work the same for me.

> And what do most people use

> here that they find a lot of success with?

I've used Novarel, Pregnyl, Profasi, and generic HCG.

[Guest guest]

I go with whatever Walmart's pharmacy has. They used to have profasi. Now

they have novarel. Doesnt matter much to me becuase there was no price

increase.

Winter

>From: " xrougesquadronxx " <gqxtk3333@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: HCG

>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:06:50 -0000

>

>

>my endo today prescribed for me HCG brand Novarel. There are many

>brands of HCG....Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, Profasi. Is there a

>difference between the different brands? And what do most people use

>here that they find a lot of success with?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> my endo today prescribed for me HCG brand Novarel. There are many

> brands of HCG....Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, Profasi. Is there a

> difference between the different brands? And what do most people

use

> here that they find a lot of success with?

I think there probably is a difference between brands. I also

started with Novarel, and experienced an increase in testicular

size, general feeling of well-being, etc. However, when I went to

refill Novarel, my pharmacy switched me to a generic brand made by

APP (see earlier posts on this issue). After a few weeks of the

generic HCG, all the gains from Novarel seemed to disappear. Just

went back on Novarel. Will post results after a few more weeks.

[Guest guest]

> Can you tell me what HCG is, and how does it

> differ from Testosterone? Thank you.

See my 8 primer articles in the files section of this group. Article 2

is all about HCG.

- Z

[Guest guest]

See my 8 primer articles in the files section of this group. Article 2

of 8 is all about HCG.

HCG

>

>

> After another round of tests, my endo agrees that TRT is an

> appropraitae path to

> take. I have been tested in the 200-400 range with low LH/FSH. My

> endo agrees

> that I am likely secondary hypogonadal, but still thought Androgel

> was the way to

> go and that if I ever wanted to become fertile in the future that we

> could bring my

> boys back to life w/ HCG. He says he does this all the time with

> success.

>

> I mentioned I would like to try HCG therapy for TRT and he wasn't

> sure why I would

> want to do this. He mentioned the need for IM shots 3x a week and the

> inconvenience. He didn't shut the door on this and said if I wanted

> to try it he

> would give me the shots.

>

> I have Shippens book and know that subcutaneous shots work as well.

>

> I would like to arm myself with as much info on self-injected,

> subcutaneous HCG

> shots as possible for my next discussion w/ him.

>

> Is anyone aware of more information on this subject and success

> stories on this? I

> am open to testimonials from any of you, but would also like

> documented data

> from other physicians. Are there other reports I could get my hands

> on? Does

> anyone know of a respected website that I could contact a doctor and

> get more

> info. By respected, I mean well-known (e.g. s Hopkins University,

> Mayo Clinic,

> etc.) The better the source, the more open my Dr. will be to the data.

>

> Thanks for your consideration.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> After another round of tests, my endo agrees that TRT is an

> appropraitae path to

> take. I have been tested in the 200-400 range with low LH/FSH. My

> endo agrees

> that I am likely secondary hypogonadal, but still thought Androgel

> was the way to

> go and that if I ever wanted to become fertile in the future that we

> could bring my

> boys back to life w/ HCG. He says he does this all the time with

> success.

>

> I mentioned I would like to try HCG therapy for TRT and he wasn't

> sure why I would

> want to do this. He mentioned the need for IM shots 3x a week and the

> inconvenience. He didn't shut the door on this and said if I wanted

> to try it he

> would give me the shots.

>

> I have Shippens book and know that subcutaneous shots work as well.

>

> I would like to arm myself with as much info on self-injected,

> subcutaneous HCG

> shots as possible for my next discussion w/ him.

>

> Is anyone aware of more information on this subject and success

> stories on this? I

> am open to testimonials from any of you, but would also like

> documented data

> from other physicians. Are there other reports I could get my hands

> on? Does

> anyone know of a respected website that I could contact a doctor and

> get more

> info. By respected, I mean well-known (e.g. s Hopkins University,

> Mayo Clinic,

> etc.) The better the source, the more open my Dr. will be to the data.

>

> Thanks for your consideration.

I can't figure out why 3 injections a week would be more inconvenient

than AG every day. My guess is that this doc doesn't use it and

doesn't stand around in the morning with his shirt off waiting for AG

to dry.

You're correct that subcutaneous hcg is fine. You could use any brand

this way. Ovidrel is specifically approved for subq useage. This is

discussed in the prescribing info. I'd look around for the

prescribing info, print it out and take it to your appointment.

Brad

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I can't figure out why 3 injections a week would be more inconvenient

> than AG every day. My guess is that this doc doesn't use it and

> doesn't stand around in the morning with his shirt off waiting for AG

> to dry.

>

> You're correct that subcutaneous hcg is fine. You could use any brand

> this way. Ovidrel is specifically approved for subq useage. This is

> discussed in the prescribing info. I'd look around for the

> prescribing info, print it out and take it to your appointment.

>

> Brad

Here's the doc.

http://www.seronousa.com/img/products/ovidrel_pfs_pl.pdf

[Guest guest]

I heard there's a new form of HCG called Recumbant HCG which

supposedly mimics LH closer then the current HCG.

> HCG is not a foreign protein.

>

>

> Winter

>

>

> >From: " dcdude58 " <dcdude58@y...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: HCG

> >Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:51:03 -0000

> >

> >

> >

> >I spoke with my doctor about HCG and he advised me that it is a

foreign

> >protien and that I would develop an allergic reaction to it six

months

> >down the road. Has anyone ever experienced a reaction of this sort

to

> >HCG?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey guys.... I need some help with this one.

I too have been trying to get my endro to consider HCG as part of my

TRT. At my last office vist, four months ago, my doctor said that he

would check with an associate at the Mayo Clinic and see if HCG is

useful to restore testicle size. I had an appointment today and the

reply was... " testicular atrophy is just a side effect of TRT that you

have to live with. "

Now the good part... I had a printout of Dr. Crisler's " My

Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men " ,...(thanks

). My doctor read it twice, and although a little skepical, he

ordered a HCG test to be added to my blood work as a " datum point. "

He said that it should come back zero but if we try HCG... we will

know exactly where we started from.

Here's where I need help... My endro asked me to get the drand name

for HCG and fax it to him. Also, any additional information that you

may have regarding HCG and injection proccedures for males would be

very helpful.

When my doctor read, " men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! "

he looked at me with a big grin. For a second, I think that I

connected with him as a man... not just a patient.

Thanks for your help,

Randy

>

> I may be starting HCG treatment in the near future. Would love to

hear about

> experiences people have had using HCG for treatment of secondary

hypo.

>

> What type of HCG? Anyone use Ovidrel or other pre-measured syringe?

> Side effects?

> Dosing amount?

> Dosing schdule?

> How long till you felt improvement?

> Problems with conversion to Estradiol?

>

> thanks.

[Guest guest]

>

> Could someone advise on what brand of HCG they have used. I am

hoping to find the

> Package Insert for the Prescription. I found one for Ovridel and it

only refers to

> administraion in women.

>

> I would like to find an insert that specifies subcutaneous

application in men.

>

> thanks

I think you are out of luck. I believe all the other inserts refer

specifically to IM administrate. They will work subq but it isn't

mentioned in the insert.

Brad

[Guest guest]

> i finally filled my script for Novarel (HCG) but i have no

> idea how to construct it.

HCG is supplied in 2 vials. One vial contains the HCG in a powder form.

The other vial contains 10 cc of bacteriostatic water. The object is to

get 10 cc of the bacteriostatic water into the vial

with the powder to " reconstitute " the HCG. The HCG comes with

instructions to reconstitute.

In order to do that I was given a 10 cc syringe with a 1 inch needle. I

find it easier to do this operation in 2 shots rather than 1. I expel

all the air from the syringe and then insert it in the vial with the

powder. I draw 5 cc of air from the vial and then remove the syringe.

Then I insert the syringe into the vial with the water. I expel the 5

cc of air and then draw 5 cc of the water into the syringe. I pull the

syringe from the water vial and insert it in the powder vial. Then I

expel the 5 cc of water. Then I repeat the process a second time to

transfer a total of 10 cc of water. Mix gently and you have 10 cc of

HCG.

You need to keep the solution in refrigerated after that. It should

last about 2 to 3 months.

-

[Guest guest]

The one I am using now is 30 days. I now get it from Medcohealth.com in the

mail and the stuff they sent me is 60 days.

Phil

bklynn718 <bklynn@...> wrote:

mine says its good for 60 days. speaking of that...it's about time for a refill

on

my prescription. hah.

> How long is HCG stable after being reconstituted-mixed- if placed in

> the fridge? I think 4 weeks, but has anyone gone any longer? Or is it

> less.

> Also has anyone used the saliva test to measure their E2 levels? Is

> it reliable ? My doctor is not keen on checking the level as often as

> I would like and Iam trying to find the right range for me.

[Guest guest]

Philip and others

Thanks for the help with my hcg ?

[Guest guest]

That is a TON of HCG!!!! You will definitely get high estradiol from

that, so what is he going to prescribe for aromatase inhibition?

Hopefully arimidex.

Please read the literature at www.allthingsmale.com and show it to your

doctor. 4000 IU 3 times a week is ridiculous, expensive, unnecessary

and could desensitise your testes.

You feel like crap because your estradiol is too high, I'm willing to

bet on it.

Chris

--- Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote:

> The Dr. prescribed HCG, 4,000 3 times a week. Is that good? The 2,000

> 3 times a week only managed to reduce my T from 800 level to the 300

> in 3 weeks. I feel like crap and want to crawl into a dark whole. And

> I though HCG was going to rock! what an idiot. I just sghould accept

> that I am fucked up and live with it.

>

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