Re: Test results and a question

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I don't think you're alone. Many of us have similar stories. My

feeling is that this condition is much more complicated and delicate

than anyone wants to admit. The bottom line is that Mother Nature

does it best - we can only partially replicate what we once had...

Regards,

K4

> Hi all -

>

> I am a 57 yr old male. I was diagnosed with

> hypogonadism about 3 years ago. I have been the route

> of incompetent docs and bad advice and I've been a

> patient of Dr. for the past three months. I am on

> 5 gm Androgel daily and .25 mg Arimidex every other

> day.

>

> I had a blood test about two weeks ago and these are

> the results:

>

> Total T - 925 ng/dL (241 - 827)

> Free T - 302 pg/mL (34 - 194)

> Bioavailable T - 660 ng/dL (84 - 402)

> DHT - 136 ng/dL (25 - 75)

> SHBG - 18 nmol/L (7 - 50)

> Estradiol - 17 pg/mL (10 - 50)

>

> I'm a bit surprised by the T results but they do agree

> with another test that was run by my PCP a couple of

> months ago. As an aside, I applied the Androgel to my

> right shoulder and abdomen at about 7:00 am and had

> blood drawn from my left arm at about 2:00 pm. I rub

> the Androgel in as best I can but I don't use any

> special application techniques and my shoulders and my

> abdomen are both quite hairy.

>

> The results look great and I feel pretty good overall,

> but my sex life is TERRIBLE. Although I think about

> sex often , my mind doesn't seem to be connecting with

> my body.

>

> I have ED. Viagra works for me about 50% of the time.

> But even when it works, there is no excitement

> building toward orgasm. I cannot achieve orgasm

> through intercourse. After about 2 minutes of

> intercourse I get bored with the whole thing and start

> thinking about work or my favorite football team :-(

>

> I am very frustrated. Throughout this whole process I

> have been chasing the carrot at the end of the stick.

> First I thought that getting my T levels up would

> solve the problem. It did not. Then I thought that

> getting my E2 levels down would do it. It did not.

>

> I have spoken with Dr. about this and he says

> that hormones are only about a third of our sexual

> being. The remaining two thirds being vascular issues,

> overall health, and emotions.

>

> I will soon be starting a new regimen including HCG.

> The regimen is:

>

> Day 1 5 gm Androgel

> Day 2 5 gm Androgel

> Day 3 5 gm Androgel and 500 ICU HCG

> Day 4 Nothing

> Day 5 Repeat

>

> I will let you all know the results, but after chasing

> the carrot on the stick for so long I am not

> optimistic. Any other ideas of what to do?

>

> Jim

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim(S),

By " mind not connecting to the body " does that include a feeling like your

penis isn't reacting to mental or physical stimulation, like it's almost numb?

I know I have some concentration problems when I forget what I'm doing

during sex.

I have a theory that I drove my E2 too low with Arimidex. It was 18, last was

26.

Another wild-ass theory of mine is that aromatase also effects opiods, like

metabolizing buprenorphine to norbuprenorphine. Arimidex binds to

aromatase, inhibiting catalyzation to T. Could it also block metabolite opiods?

That would produce concurrent effects: endogenous opiods are insufficient to

stimulate arousal, and their receptors would be screaming for them, in effect

going though withdrawal, Result: the body craves sex and the brain thinks

about it almost to obsession, while ther are too few endogenous opiods to

stimulate erection or ejaculation. But that's just my guess. I really shouldn't

throw it in with a request for advice. I'm just trying to figure out why my

arousal

(even with Viagra) is the worst since starting TRT in 1998, while thoughts of

sex are extremely high. Coincides with E2 as low 15 from Arimidex.

Overthinking again,

Bruce

> Hi all -

>

> I am a 57 yr old male. I was diagnosed with

> hypogonadism about 3 years ago. I have been the route

> of incompetent docs and bad advice and I've been a

> patient of Dr. for the past three months. I am on

> 5 gm Androgel daily and .25 mg Arimidex every other

> day.

>

> I had a blood test about two weeks ago and these are

> the results:

>

> Total T - 925 ng/dL (241 - 827)

> Free T - 302 pg/mL (34 - 194)

> Bioavailable T - 660 ng/dL (84 - 402)

> DHT - 136 ng/dL (25 - 75)

> SHBG - 18 nmol/L (7 - 50)

> Estradiol - 17 pg/mL (10 - 50)

>

> I'm a bit surprised by the T results but they do agree

> with another test that was run by my PCP a couple of

> months ago. As an aside, I applied the Androgel to my

> right shoulder and abdomen at about 7:00 am and had

> blood drawn from my left arm at about 2:00 pm. I rub

> the Androgel in as best I can but I don't use any

> special application techniques and my shoulders and my

> abdomen are both quite hairy.

>

> The results look great and I feel pretty good overall,

> but my sex life is TERRIBLE. Although I think about

> sex often , my mind doesn't seem to be connecting with

> my body.

>

> I have ED. Viagra works for me about 50% of the time.

> But even when it works, there is no excitement

> building toward orgasm. I cannot achieve orgasm

> through intercourse. After about 2 minutes of

> intercourse I get bored with the whole thing and start

> thinking about work or my favorite football team :-(

>

> I am very frustrated. Throughout this whole process I

> have been chasing the carrot at the end of the stick.

> First I thought that getting my T levels up would

> solve the problem. It did not. Then I thought that

> getting my E2 levels down would do it. It did not.

>

> I have spoken with Dr. about this and he says

> that hormones are only about a third of our sexual

> being. The remaining two thirds being vascular issues,

> overall health, and emotions.

>

> I will soon be starting a new regimen including HCG.

> The regimen is:

>

> Day 1 5 gm Androgel

> Day 2 5 gm Androgel

> Day 3 5 gm Androgel and 500 ICU HCG

> Day 4 Nothing

> Day 5 Repeat

>

> I will let you all know the results, but after chasing

> the carrot on the stick for so long I am not

> optimistic. Any other ideas of what to do?

>

> Jim

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim!

I have experienced some of the problems you are having. Let

me say something. Since in this forum we are all being honest. I can

say that your mental state has a good role to play once your T is up.

I would say that with low T you might not feel like sex etc... but

once this is up you will start feeling spunky etc.... That being said

if you are not interested in your partner no matter how much T you

have you probably are going to go limp. Now, I am not saying you are

tired of your wife or girlfriend etc... but it is something to think

about. You also would not necessarily have to be tired of her but,

holding on to anger or some unresolved issues etc... I don't know

where you come from but, you mentioned being bored. Maybe in the past

you had a really exciting sex life and now not? Like I said its just

something to think about. If you think this might be the case maybe

try some things to liven up your sex and see if that helps. The brain

has huge control over our bodies.

Kind Regards,

> Hi all -

>

> I am a 57 yr old male. I was diagnosed with

> hypogonadism about 3 years ago. I have been the route

> of incompetent docs and bad advice and I've been a

> patient of Dr. for the past three months. I am on

> 5 gm Androgel daily and .25 mg Arimidex every other

> day.

>

> I had a blood test about two weeks ago and these are

> the results:

>

> Total T - 925 ng/dL (241 - 827)

> Free T - 302 pg/mL (34 - 194)

> Bioavailable T - 660 ng/dL (84 - 402)

> DHT - 136 ng/dL (25 - 75)

> SHBG - 18 nmol/L (7 - 50)

> Estradiol - 17 pg/mL (10 - 50)

>

> I'm a bit surprised by the T results but they do agree

> with another test that was run by my PCP a couple of

> months ago. As an aside, I applied the Androgel to my

> right shoulder and abdomen at about 7:00 am and had

> blood drawn from my left arm at about 2:00 pm. I rub

> the Androgel in as best I can but I don't use any

> special application techniques and my shoulders and my

> abdomen are both quite hairy.

>

> The results look great and I feel pretty good overall,

> but my sex life is TERRIBLE. Although I think about

> sex often , my mind doesn't seem to be connecting with

> my body.

>

> I have ED. Viagra works for me about 50% of the time.

> But even when it works, there is no excitement

> building toward orgasm. I cannot achieve orgasm

> through intercourse. After about 2 minutes of

> intercourse I get bored with the whole thing and start

> thinking about work or my favorite football team :-(

>

> I am very frustrated. Throughout this whole process I

> have been chasing the carrot at the end of the stick.

> First I thought that getting my T levels up would

> solve the problem. It did not. Then I thought that

> getting my E2 levels down would do it. It did not.

>

> I have spoken with Dr. about this and he says

> that hormones are only about a third of our sexual

> being. The remaining two thirds being vascular issues,

> overall health, and emotions.

>

> I will soon be starting a new regimen including HCG.

> The regimen is:

>

> Day 1 5 gm Androgel

> Day 2 5 gm Androgel

> Day 3 5 gm Androgel and 500 ICU HCG

> Day 4 Nothing

> Day 5 Repeat

>

> I will let you all know the results, but after chasing

> the carrot on the stick for so long I am not

> optimistic. Any other ideas of what to do?

>

> Jim

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I'd say your E2 is too low.

When I drove my E2 down to 15, my libido went subzero.

It took me a whole month to get my E2 back to ~25 and my sex drive

came back to life.

Just my 2 cents.

> > Hi all -

> >

> > I am a 57 yr old male. I was diagnosed with

> > hypogonadism about 3 years ago. I have been the route

> > of incompetent docs and bad advice and I've been a

> > patient of Dr. for the past three months. I am on

> > 5 gm Androgel daily and .25 mg Arimidex every other

> > day.

> >

> > I had a blood test about two weeks ago and these are

> > the results:

> >

> > Total T - 925 ng/dL (241 - 827)

> > Free T - 302 pg/mL (34 - 194)

> > Bioavailable T - 660 ng/dL (84 - 402)

> > DHT - 136 ng/dL (25 - 75)

> > SHBG - 18 nmol/L (7 - 50)

> > Estradiol - 17 pg/mL (10 - 50)

> >

> > I'm a bit surprised by the T results but they do agree

> > with another test that was run by my PCP a couple of

> > months ago. As an aside, I applied the Androgel to my

> > right shoulder and abdomen at about 7:00 am and had

> > blood drawn from my left arm at about 2:00 pm. I rub

> > the Androgel in as best I can but I don't use any

> > special application techniques and my shoulders and my

> > abdomen are both quite hairy.

> >

> > The results look great and I feel pretty good overall,

> > but my sex life is TERRIBLE. Although I think about

> > sex often , my mind doesn't seem to be connecting with

> > my body.

> >

> > I have ED. Viagra works for me about 50% of the time.

> > But even when it works, there is no excitement

> > building toward orgasm. I cannot achieve orgasm

> > through intercourse. After about 2 minutes of

> > intercourse I get bored with the whole thing and start

> > thinking about work or my favorite football team :-(

> >

> > I am very frustrated. Throughout this whole process I

> > have been chasing the carrot at the end of the stick.

> > First I thought that getting my T levels up would

> > solve the problem. It did not. Then I thought that

> > getting my E2 levels down would do it. It did not.

> >

> > I have spoken with Dr. about this and he says

> > that hormones are only about a third of our sexual

> > being. The remaining two thirds being vascular issues,

> > overall health, and emotions.

> >

> > I will soon be starting a new regimen including HCG.

> > The regimen is:

> >

> > Day 1 5 gm Androgel

> > Day 2 5 gm Androgel

> > Day 3 5 gm Androgel and 500 ICU HCG

> > Day 4 Nothing

> > Day 5 Repeat

> >

> > I will let you all know the results, but after chasing

> > the carrot on the stick for so long I am not

> > optimistic. Any other ideas of what to do?

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >