Re: DHEA dangers, benefits

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Personally, I definitely doubt if you were an NCAA athlete and

living the good life before and now aren't feeling so great, that

your levels have always been low. 340 is not at all in the normal

range for a 29 year old. It is about average for an 85 year old

though... (which might help explain why people tend to get more

grumpy and somewhat lethargic when they are older...)

As far as I know, DHEA is a precursor of both testosterone and

Estradiol and is therefor not an ideal treatment for hypogonadism.

DHEA creates estradiol, just like it does testosterone, that is a

bad thing. As far as I know (I say again), testosterone replacement

should be done with testosterone, with DHEA you will end up

increasing your estradiol as much as your testosterone... very bad.

Regardless, even though your LH and FSH are in the " normal " range,

they are in the LOW normal range. They should be kicking in high

gear right now to get your testosterone levels back up to a healthy

29 year old levels, but they are not. I am confident that you can

get your levels back up to normal using HCG and Clomid.

HCG is like LH and will get your testosterone levels back up where

they should be. Clomid is less powerful but actually stimulates your

hypothalamus to produce more LH and FSH. Therefore, Clomid gets your

hypothalamus back in the action and is the best choice if you want

to solve your problem permanently and get off the drugs 100% down

the road. Personally, I think bodybuilder Websites (Good ones), are

a great resource for someone in your situation. Bodybuilders go

through the same problem if they have been on the juice for too

long. They need to kick start their system back into gear and Clomid

is how they do it. I just suggest HCG in the begining to really get

your levels up nice and high as quickly as possible.

If you have any questions, feel free to email me, I do check it once

and a while. But also note, this forum is not really the forefront

for hypogonadal advice. The problem is, there really isn't a very

good forefront anywhere because there has not been enough medical

investigation into this complicated subject. Personally, I believe

that top bodybuilder and athletes doctors and advisers, ARE at the

forefront of getting the body back in shape. They are top performers

and they have dealt with this problem for decades. Again, there are

many idiots out there in these fields that are not experts but claim

to be, so everything with a grain of salt. I recommend searching on

testosterone.net for " Clomid " , " HCG " and other related terms. There

are some differing opinions even on there, but the guys who really

know what they are talking about recommend clomid as the last step

to getting natural production back to full production.

Note, if you get on T replacement, it is a lifetime commitment and

you are a hermaphrodite if you ever stop it. It definitely is good

if it is necessary, but other means to solve the problem do exist

and should be looked at in depth before making this lifetime

commitment.

Cheers,

Armyguy

> Hi all,

>

> First a big thank you to everyone that has offered advice within

the

> forum and via email. I am truly grateful. Without your support and

> advice I don't think my interactions with my Dr.'s would be a

> continually productive as they are. Still no positive diagnosis

[age

> 29 and 10 years ago an NCAA athlete; T is 340 from range of 260-

1000;

> FSH is 1.7 from range of .7-11.1; and LH is 3.3 from range of .8-

7.6]

> but at least I am getting blood tests done. I have all the

symptoms

> of a T problem, but I am open-minded to the notion that I have

always

> been low T. I have just never heard of someone being as athletic

as I

> was or as sexual as I was.

>

> Today, I saw a new urologist and she seemed quite helpful and open-

> minded. I have seen about five Dr.'s thus far (no dedicated endo's

> however) and she is the first to suggest that my levels may have

> dropped for some reason. The most probable reason being a

> corticosteroid cream I took for a skin condition. She said the

cream

> could suppress adrenal activity and this could be fixed with DHEA.

> She also said that research on DHEA is sparse and far from

accepted.

>

> She said that if my readings come back low, I could be treated

with

> over the counter supplementation.

>

> Does anyone here have any knowledge of DHEA? I am scouring the

Net,

> but you guys are truly on the frontlines, not steroid users who

are

> otherwise fine. Will DHEA cause long-term harm such as testicular

> atrophy? And will it stop working with time?

>

> I would appreciate any insight no matter how limited or great it

may

> be.

>

> As always feel free to email me directly as well.

>

> Best Regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<DHEA creates estradiol, just like it does testosterone, that is a

bad thing. As far as I know (I say again), testosterone replacement

should be done with testosterone, with DHEA you will end up

increasing your estradiol as much as your testosterone... very bad.>>

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt a lot of the testosterone from T

replacement aromatize into estrogen? Either way he should take an

anti-estrogen true?

> > Hi all,

> >

> > First a big thank you to everyone that has offered advice within

> the

> > forum and via email. I am truly grateful. Without your support

and

> > advice I don't think my interactions with my Dr.'s would be a

> > continually productive as they are. Still no positive diagnosis

> [age

> > 29 and 10 years ago an NCAA athlete; T is 340 from range of 260-

> 1000;

> > FSH is 1.7 from range of .7-11.1; and LH is 3.3 from range of .8-

> 7.6]

> > but at least I am getting blood tests done. I have all the

> symptoms

> > of a T problem, but I am open-minded to the notion that I have

> always

> > been low T. I have just never heard of someone being as athletic

> as I

> > was or as sexual as I was.

> >

> > Today, I saw a new urologist and she seemed quite helpful and

open-

> > minded. I have seen about five Dr.'s thus far (no dedicated

endo's

> > however) and she is the first to suggest that my levels may have

> > dropped for some reason. The most probable reason being a

> > corticosteroid cream I took for a skin condition. She said the

> cream

> > could suppress adrenal activity and this could be fixed with

DHEA.

> > She also said that research on DHEA is sparse and far from

> accepted.

> >

> > She said that if my readings come back low, I could be treated

> with

> > over the counter supplementation.

> >

> > Does anyone here have any knowledge of DHEA? I am scouring the

> Net,

> > but you guys are truly on the frontlines, not steroid users who

> are

> > otherwise fine. Will DHEA cause long-term harm such as

testicular

> > atrophy? And will it stop working with time?

> >

> > I would appreciate any insight no matter how limited or great it

> may

> > be.

> >

> > As always feel free to email me directly as well.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

******Hey needsomejuice...do you by chance use tobacco products, have

excessive stress or drink too damn much? Not necessarilly published

anywhere, but I believe this can cause t to drop

significantly.Davec5465

> Hi all,

>

> First a big thank you to everyone that has offered advice within

the

> forum and via email. I am truly grateful. Without your support and

> advice I don't think my interactions with my Dr.'s would be a

> continually productive as they are. Still no positive diagnosis

[age

> 29 and 10 years ago an NCAA athlete; T is 340 from range of 260-

1000;

> FSH is 1.7 from range of .7-11.1; and LH is 3.3 from range of .8-

7.6]

> but at least I am getting blood tests done. I have all the symptoms

> of a T problem, but I am open-minded to the notion that I have

always

> been low T. I have just never heard of someone being as athletic as

I

> was or as sexual as I was.

>

> Today, I saw a new urologist and she seemed quite helpful and open-

> minded. I have seen about five Dr.'s thus far (no dedicated endo's

> however) and she is the first to suggest that my levels may have

> dropped for some reason. The most probable reason being a

> corticosteroid cream I took for a skin condition. She said the

cream

> could suppress adrenal activity and this could be fixed with DHEA.

> She also said that research on DHEA is sparse and far from

accepted.

>

> She said that if my readings come back low, I could be treated with

> over the counter supplementation.

>

> Does anyone here have any knowledge of DHEA? I am scouring the Net,

> but you guys are truly on the frontlines, not steroid users who are

> otherwise fine. Will DHEA cause long-term harm such as testicular

> atrophy? And will it stop working with time?

>

> I would appreciate any insight no matter how limited or great it

may

> be.

>

> As always feel free to email me directly as well.

>

> Best Regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I might have 1 drink a month and never touch tobacco. As for stress

its probably about average. When this problem hit me I had great

health: six meals a day and workingout five days a week.

Best,

> > Hi all,

> >

> > First a big thank you to everyone that has offered advice within

> the

> > forum and via email. I am truly grateful. Without your support

and

> > advice I don't think my interactions with my Dr.'s would be a

> > continually productive as they are. Still no positive diagnosis

> [age

> > 29 and 10 years ago an NCAA athlete; T is 340 from range of 260-

> 1000;

> > FSH is 1.7 from range of .7-11.1; and LH is 3.3 from range of .8-

> 7.6]

> > but at least I am getting blood tests done. I have all the

symptoms

> > of a T problem, but I am open-minded to the notion that I have

> always

> > been low T. I have just never heard of someone being as athletic

as

> I

> > was or as sexual as I was.

> >

> > Today, I saw a new urologist and she seemed quite helpful and

open-

> > minded. I have seen about five Dr.'s thus far (no dedicated

endo's

> > however) and she is the first to suggest that my levels may have

> > dropped for some reason. The most probable reason being a

> > corticosteroid cream I took for a skin condition. She said the

> cream

> > could suppress adrenal activity and this could be fixed with

DHEA.

> > She also said that research on DHEA is sparse and far from

> accepted.

> >

> > She said that if my readings come back low, I could be treated

with

> > over the counter supplementation.

> >

> > Does anyone here have any knowledge of DHEA? I am scouring the

Net,

> > but you guys are truly on the frontlines, not steroid users who

are

> > otherwise fine. Will DHEA cause long-term harm such as testicular

> > atrophy? And will it stop working with time?

> >

> > I would appreciate any insight no matter how limited or great it

> may

> > be.

> >

> > As always feel free to email me directly as well.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> >