Re: Re: Now Im really confused Tony

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Tony did the Dr. tell you that your testis are not working you need to find out.

One way would be to have your Dr. give you Hcg and see if you levels go up. One

of the guys here posted a test that a Dr. does by doing this and if I remember

right if your levels go up say 50% or higher your testis are working. Here is a

cut & paste of a post from one of the guys that is on both androGel and he says

it keeps his testis working. Guys have posted that were on TRT for a long time

and went on Hcg to see if they could get there testis working again and it

worked. But they were secondary and the Dr. never checked to see why they had

low T. If you feel good and want to see if your testis will come back then go

for it. I do know men that have Low T from drinking but how do you prove it.

Here is the cut & paste I will do some searching to see if I can find anything

about Low T and to much drinking.

Phil

From: " Bob " <ballen3_2000@y...>

Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:59 pm

Subject: Re: HCG

First hire a lawyer, sounds like a law suit to me. For your

question. HCG is suppersive to you pituitary. If you testicles are

capible of making T then it will raise your levels. My total T was

212 (range 260-1000) on 1 pkg androgel/day, did the hcG test as

described in the AACE guidelines and my levels jumpped to 1633. I

now do 500 IUs 3x/week will get another test in 3 weeks to see what

it has stablized at. Still using the androgel until I get new

numbers. FYI, my testicles have regained most of the cm that they

had lost while on androgel alone.

The thing on your pituitary, I have no advice there other than talk

to your DR. And that the hcG directly stimulates the testicles.

The sub q injections are ez and I usually hate shots.

Best of Luck,

Bob

dkrzyzek <dkrzyzek@...> wrote:

Hi Tony

Androgel suppresses T production. When your body is taking in

external T, the pituitary recognizes this and lowers production of

LH/FSH, which lowers natural T production. Your testes may shrink

over time from using androgel. When you stop using androgel, your

body may/may not recover depending on age and other factors. It

usually does but it takes time for natural T production to kick back

in.

You should explore HCG, maybe take the HCG/Clomid stimulation test

that people here talk about. That way you'll know if it's a testes

or pituitary problem.

Be patient! Seems like you're making impulsive decisions based on

all the conflicting articles you're reading (I get this impression

because you put androgel on, only to wash it off an hour later).

It's such an underresearched topic, that you're going to find

conflicting reports on TRT everywhere. It's frustrating, but you

need to be patient if you want to be treated properly. I've had

symptoms for 9 months and still haven't been treated (though that

will change this friday) so I know how you feel.

Also keep in mind that plenty of people on this board use androgel

with adequete results. But I understand you want to get the testes

going again.

Best of Luck

Dave K.

> I read that Andorgel shuts down the production of T. Then I read

> that Adroogel does NOT shut downt he production of T. What is it?

> Does Androgel shut down the production of T just while using

> androgel or what? I just went and took another shower to wash off

> the androgel that I just put on one hour ago (after months of not

> using it) becuase of the post I just read prior to mine stating

that

> Androgel would shut down T and I want to give my testicles a

chance

> to heal from the alcohol abuse. I am taking lots of MSM and good

> vitamines and minerals to hopefully accomplish this. Please inform

> Tony

> 36M