Re: Cenegenics Followup (HCG)

[Guest guest]

From what I have read here, everyone seems to be on a different

dosage with HCG. For some it is very effective and they may

attempt to minimize the dosage due to some reports that

effectiveness may decrease with overuse. In my case it is not

tremendously effective. I take about 3000 IU per week and

supplement with some Androgel to get a decent T level. So one

vial (mixed) lasts a little over three weeks. At 4000 IU per week it

would last 2 1/2 weeks.

In my experience the T shots were cheapest, but then there

started to be a shortage of injectable T, plus the shots have a lot

of drawbacks which I won't go into in this post. A few times

recently I had trouble finding HCG when some manufacturers

stopped making it. My suspicion (confirmed by a patent attorney

I spoke with) is that these shortages are not unrelated to the

release of more expensive products.

Patches did not work well for me either, but I got a good level

with not very much gel. You can't tell unless you try these things.

HCG has the advantage of maintaining testicular activity. Like

everything it also has drawbacks. It stimulates aromatization

(conversion of E2 to T). You have to refrigerate the mixed vials.

Although HCG is similar to LH and FSH, it is not normally

present in the male body. It is used because it is cheap to

extract from the urine of pregnant women.

> > > HCG $43.45 per 10,000 I.U.

> >

> > I found your chart a little confusing, but this price is about

what

> > Costco charges for HCG.

[Guest guest]

3,000 IU of HCG seems about double what anyone takes as a high maintenance

dose. I personally take about 500 to 750iu/week and it works well as part of

TRT. I have searched for information on leydig cell destruction from HCG. I

can't

find any info. But if you are looking to maintain testicular mass than 500iu

to 750iu/week delivered via SubQ injections at 250iu/dose should work. You

could then add some exogenous T via shots, gels or compounded creams.

In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:13:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

From what I have read here, everyone seems to be on a different

dosage with HCG. For some it is very effective and they may

attempt to minimize the dosage due to some reports that

effectiveness may decrease with overuse. In my case it is not

tremendously effective. I take about 3000 IU per week and

supplement with some Androgel to get a decent T level. So one

vial (mixed) lasts a little over three weeks. At 4000 IU per week it

would last 2 1/2 weeks.

In my experience the T shots were cheapest, but then there

started to be a shortage of injectable T, plus the shots have a lot

of drawbacks which I won't go into in this post. A few times

recently I had trouble finding HCG when some manufacturers

stopped making it. My suspicion (confirmed by a patent attorney

I spoke with) is that these shortages are not unrelated to the

release of more expensive products.

Patches did not work well for me either, but I got a good level

with not very much gel. You can't tell unless you try these things.

HCG has the advantage of maintaining testicular activity. Like

everything it also has drawbacks. It stimulates aromatization

(conversion of E2 to T). You have to refrigerate the mixed vials.

Although HCG is similar to LH and FSH, it is not normally

present in the male body. It is used because it is cheap to

extract from the urine of pregnant women.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if exogenous T plus HCG preserves fertility in all men, but some

men have accidently inpregnated their wives with that regime. Moreover,

fertility is often related to testicular size so keeping your boys us to size

will

help, when you choose to quit T and go to HCG and HMG. You will feel better on

the T and HCG combo. Of course, you must assess the fertility risk. I want

kids have been chosen the T and HCG route.

In a message dated 8/10/2004 3:06:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdryden@...

writes:

Hi ,

Thanks for the info.

The high dose is for 6 weeks kick start, and I expect it to be stopped or

reduced after that. Are you saying that 250 iu per dose plus exogenous T

will preserve fertility? I can only imagine what my mood would be to have a

total T of 700 instead of 200.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the info.

The high dose is for 6 weeks kick start, and I expect it to be stopped or

reduced after that. Are you saying that 250 iu per dose plus exogenous T

will preserve fertility? I can only imagine what my mood would be to have a

total T of 700 instead of 200.

_____

From: doublebluellc@... [mailto:doublebluellc@...]

Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:32 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Cenegenics Followup (HCG)

3,000 IU of HCG seems about double what anyone takes as a high maintenance

dose. I personally take about 500 to 750iu/week and it works well as part of

TRT. I have searched for information on leydig cell destruction from HCG. I

can't

find any info. But if you are looking to maintain testicular mass than 500iu

to 750iu/week delivered via SubQ injections at 250iu/dose should work. You

could then add some exogenous T via shots, gels or compounded creams.

In a message dated 8/9/2004 9:13:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

From what I have read here, everyone seems to be on a different

dosage with HCG. For some it is very effective and they may

attempt to minimize the dosage due to some reports that

effectiveness may decrease with overuse. In my case it is not

tremendously effective. I take about 3000 IU per week and

supplement with some Androgel to get a decent T level. So one

vial (mixed) lasts a little over three weeks. At 4000 IU per week it

would last 2 1/2 weeks.

In my experience the T shots were cheapest, but then there

started to be a shortage of injectable T, plus the shots have a lot

of drawbacks which I won't go into in this post. A few times

recently I had trouble finding HCG when some manufacturers

stopped making it. My suspicion (confirmed by a patent attorney

I spoke with) is that these shortages are not unrelated to the

release of more expensive products.

Patches did not work well for me either, but I got a good level

with not very much gel. You can't tell unless you try these things.

HCG has the advantage of maintaining testicular activity. Like

everything it also has drawbacks. It stimulates aromatization

(conversion of E2 to T). You have to refrigerate the mixed vials.

Although HCG is similar to LH and FSH, it is not normally

present in the male body. It is used because it is cheap to

extract from the urine of pregnant women.