Re: My story and my test results

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-******everything you showed me with your test results looks like

hypogonadism to me. Looks secondary. I would have an mri to look for

a pituitary/hypothalamus problem....probably not, but possible. My

numbers are similar to yours and I am 38. I've been on androgel for 2

years and I love it. Have a complete blood work up done, look at

cortisol, estradiol and dhea-s. Do this prior to assuming t

replacement (going on and off t sucks.) Then, go on 10 grams of

androgel or the equivalent in Testim. 5 grams will improve you, but

the exogenous replacement will shut down your natural t production

and give you the t level of a much older man. The 10 g will get you

back to about 25 years old...and you'll feel like it. Also, get a

bone density scan...mine came back indicative of osteopenia, a

precursor to osteoporosis. T replacement will help this. Lastly, if

you smoke or drink too much, cut that shit out. It will make this

problem worse. I think it started mine. Also, read all of the

information in the files and links section, be informed and be in

charge!-- In , " snowking "

<snowking@g...> wrote:

>

> I am a 34 year old male and have never had a problem with my penis

until

> March 2003 (probably sooner but I only realised it then)

>

> I started taking Propecia (finasteride 1mg) in October 2002 and was

on it

> about 5 and a half months. One of the side effects listed was a

lowered

> libido which I didn't consider a problem as I wasn't dating at the

time.

> The instructions state that the lowered lobido problem disappeared

when

> ceasing treatment and also disappeared with people continuing

treatment. I

> stopped taking Propecia when I met my current girlfriend. Although

we

> weren't having sex I noticed that I had great difficulty in trying

to

> masturbate. My erection was soft and would go away very easily. I

put this

> down to the pills and decided to ignore it for a couple of weeks.

The

> problem persisted and when I did some research on the internet I was

> horrified to find that other people had suffered the same problem

and the

> symptoms had still not gone away for some people even years after

stopping

> Propecia.

>

> In October, still suffering problems, I went to see and endo who

did some

> blood test results as follows:

>

> LH 1.4 U/L (0.8-7.6)

> FSH 2.8 U/L (0.7-11.1)

> Prolactin 113 mU/L (53-360)

> Testosterone 9.2 nmol/L (9.4-60.0)

> Sex hormone binding globulin 57 nmol/L (13-70)

> DHT 1.4 nmol/L (0.2-1.1)

>

> It is over 9 months since I stopped taking Propecia and whilst I

have

> recovered a little I am no where near my former self. The morning

erections

> have begun to return in the last month or so but I still have

problems with

> intercourse. My girlfriend cannot touch me until she is ready for

me

> otherwise my erection goes away and also if I hold out for too long

again my

> erections just disappears.

>

> My endo has suggested testosterone replacement.

>

> I have the following questions:

>

> 1) What does everyone think of testosterone replacement?

>

> 2) Could estrogen be my problem - this has not been tested yet.

>

> 3) What if my testosterone has always been this low, will

testosterone help?

>

> 4) Am I hypogonadal?

>

> Any other advice would be gratefully appreciated.

>

> May I just say good luck to all with anyone suffering these types of

> problems because in the first couple of months I found this utterly

soul

> destroying.

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> My endo has suggested testosterone replacement.

>

> I have the following questions:

>

> 1) What does everyone think of testosterone replacement?

>

> 2) Could estrogen be my problem - this has not been tested yet.

>

> 3) What if my testosterone has always been this low, will

testosterone help?

>

> 4) Am I hypogonadal?

>

1) Replacement beats the hell out of being hypogonadal.

2) How could one know with no data?

3) It doesn't help if one doesn't hava a deficiency. This seems not

to be the case for you. You'll know if it is helping you within a

reasonable time after starting treatment.

4) Given your age and your t level it seems very, very likely that you

are indeed hypogonadal.

It is possible that your levels were falling anyway and starting

Propecia dropped your DHT even further making symptoms appear slightly

earlier than they otherwise might. Who knows?

Brad

[Guest guest]

Your story is exacly same as mine, the only difference I was taking another

hairloss crap called Multiflora. It did stop the hairloss but it also made

secondary HH in about 7 months.

And yes, with such low LH and FSH your results look like secondary HH.

It's been now about a year I am fighting it with no significant

improvements, though I opted for

'more natural' treatment -Clomid.

I think, the very first thing to do is read thru posts and links in our

group, educate yourself and then try to find a knowledgable MD (I still can

not).

Good luck

>From: " snowking " <snowking@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: My story and my test results

>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:38:47 -0000

>

>

>I am a 34 year old male and have never had a problem with my penis until

>March 2003 (probably sooner but I only realised it then)

>

>I started taking Propecia (finasteride 1mg) in October 2002 and was on it

>about 5 and a half months. One of the side effects listed was a lowered

>libido which I didn't consider a problem as I wasn't dating at the time.

>The instructions state that the lowered lobido problem disappeared when

>ceasing treatment and also disappeared with people continuing treatment. I

>stopped taking Propecia when I met my current girlfriend. Although we

>weren't having sex I noticed that I had great difficulty in trying to

>masturbate. My erection was soft and would go away very easily. I put

>this

>down to the pills and decided to ignore it for a couple of weeks. The

>problem persisted and when I did some research on the internet I was

>horrified to find that other people had suffered the same problem and the

>symptoms had still not gone away for some people even years after stopping

>Propecia.

>

>In October, still suffering problems, I went to see and endo who did some

>blood test results as follows:

>

>LH 1.4 U/L (0.8-7.6)

>FSH 2.8 U/L (0.7-11.1)

>Prolactin 113 mU/L (53-360)

>Testosterone 9.2 nmol/L (9.4-60.0)

>Sex hormone binding globulin 57 nmol/L (13-70)

>DHT 1.4 nmol/L (0.2-1.1)

>

>It is over 9 months since I stopped taking Propecia and whilst I have

>recovered a little I am no where near my former self. The morning

>erections

>have begun to return in the last month or so but I still have problems with

>intercourse. My girlfriend cannot touch me until she is ready for me

>otherwise my erection goes away and also if I hold out for too long again

>my

>erections just disappears.

>

>My endo has suggested testosterone replacement.

>

>I have the following questions:

>

>1) What does everyone think of testosterone replacement?

>

>2) Could estrogen be my problem - this has not been tested yet.

>

>3) What if my testosterone has always been this low, will testosterone

>help?

>

>4) Am I hypogonadal?

>

>Any other advice would be gratefully appreciated.

>

>May I just say good luck to all with anyone suffering these types of

>problems because in the first couple of months I found this utterly soul

>destroying.

>

>

>

>

>

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> Your story is exacly same as mine, the only difference I was taking

another

> hairloss crap called Multiflora. It did stop the hairloss but it

also made

> secondary HH in about 7 months.

> And yes, with such low LH and FSH your results look like secondary HH.

> It's been now about a year I am fighting it with no significant

> improvements, though I opted for

> 'more natural' treatment -Clomid.

> I think, the very first thing to do is read thru posts and links in our

> group, educate yourself and then try to find a knowledgable MD (I

still can

> not).

> Good luck

>

>

After a year of no improvement, I would move on to hcg or else

exogenous t...

Clomid increased my LH and FSH markedly in 7 days.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Brad,

No significant improvements - means still ED, low libido and not feeling

much better overall.

As to LH, FSH and T, after 10 days on 50mg/day Clomid it all shot thru the

roof

LH - 11

T - 1380

E2 - 37

>From: brad999us <no_reply >

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: My story and my test results

>Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:52:48 -0000

>

>

> > Your story is exacly same as mine, the only difference I was taking

>another

> > hairloss crap called Multiflora. It did stop the hairloss but it

>also made

> > secondary HH in about 7 months.

> > And yes, with such low LH and FSH your results look like secondary HH.

> > It's been now about a year I am fighting it with no significant

> > improvements, though I opted for

> > 'more natural' treatment -Clomid.

> > I think, the very first thing to do is read thru posts and links in our

> > group, educate yourself and then try to find a knowledgable MD (I

>still can

> > not).

> > Good luck

> >

> >

>

>After a year of no improvement, I would move on to hcg or else

>exogenous t...

>

>Clomid increased my LH and FSH markedly in 7 days.

>

>Brad

>

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