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Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 , Analog is simply a chemically related substance with similar effects of the parent. Proviron is Mesterolone, 17betaHydroxy-1alpha-methyl- 5alpha-androstan-3-one. DHT is 17betaHydroxy-5alpha-androstan-3- one. I do not know of any equivalents to this drug in the US, short of compounded DHT transdermals. Proviron has all the effects of DHT, including hair redistribution, estrogen antagonism,erectile function and CNS stimulation. In my opinion, Viagra and its analogs are poor medications for a man with ED caused by a partial androgen deficiency or estrogen dominance. There are drugs to lower DHT or antagonize its effects, however I do keep in mind that these anti-DHT drugs are the reason why some of us need TRT. DHT is not actually the enemy drug companies represent it as. Without DHT, ED, loss of libido, and estrogen dominance become problems. Proviron has no anabolic effect at all. The only reason why it has never been allowed in America is money and politics. A 25mg tablet of Proviron is about $1,it is taken every day. How much is Viagra? Does it always work? These are the questions I ask myself. Viagra + Androgel is an expensive treatment that usually works for ED. A $1 pill takes the place of that in many parts of the world. Mentioning Viagra to me is a sure way to get your head bitten off. An endo gravely offended me by suggesting that instead of treating my actual problem. > > > > >Thanks Retro > > > > > >Levels prior to TRT (1 month after quitting propecia) > > > > > >FSH 7.3 Range 1.4 - 18.1 miu/mL > > >LH 7.2 Range 1.5 - 9.3 miu/mL > > >T T 484 Range 241 - 827 ng/dl (446 months later....may differ > because of time test was taken...in the ball park as the 484) > > >F T 1.78 Range .95 - 4.3 ng/dl > > > > > > > Those numbers look fairly normal. Did you have more T tests besides > > this one? T levels can range by as much as 50% over the day. A 484 > is > > very close to midrange. If it wasn't a morning test I'd be tempted > to > > call it normal. > > > > I'd have sought an E2 test to see if that was high and could get you > > the T bump you needed by controlling E2 conversion. > > > > I'd be tempted with 484 to look at dietary supplements and mild > > boosters rather than a life time of TRT. Maybe a clomid or HCG jump > > start attempt. > > > > It certainly doesn't look like secondary, and I don't think it looks > > primary either with the 484. > > > > - - - - > > Just another albino black sheep > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Thanks for taking the time to explain this wetrey72 <wetrey72@...> wrote: , Analog is simply a chemically related substance with similar effects of the parent. Proviron is Mesterolone, 17betaHydroxy-1alpha-methyl- 5alpha-androstan-3-one. DHT is 17betaHydroxy-5alpha-androstan-3- one. I do not know of any equivalents to this drug in the US, short of compounded DHT transdermals. Proviron has all the effects of DHT, including hair redistribution, estrogen antagonism,erectile function and CNS stimulation. In my opinion, Viagra and its analogs are poor medications for a man with ED caused by a partial androgen deficiency or estrogen dominance. There are drugs to lower DHT or antagonize its effects, however I do keep in mind that these anti-DHT drugs are the reason why some of us need TRT. DHT is not actually the enemy drug companies represent it as. Without DHT, ED, loss of libido, and estrogen dominance become problems. Proviron has no anabolic effect at all. The only reason why it has never been allowed in America is money and politics. A 25mg tablet of Proviron is about $1,it is taken every day. How much is Viagra? Does it always work? These are the questions I ask myself. Viagra + Androgel is an expensive treatment that usually works for ED. A $1 pill takes the place of that in many parts of the world. Mentioning Viagra to me is a sure way to get your head bitten off. An endo gravely offended me by suggesting that instead of treating my actual problem. > > > > >Thanks Retro > > > > > >Levels prior to TRT (1 month after quitting propecia) > > > > > >FSH 7.3 Range 1.4 - 18.1 miu/mL > > >LH 7.2 Range 1.5 - 9.3 miu/mL > > >T T 484 Range 241 - 827 ng/dl (446 months later....may differ > because of time test was taken...in the ball park as the 484) > > >F T 1.78 Range .95 - 4.3 ng/dl > > > > > > > Those numbers look fairly normal. Did you have more T tests besides > > this one? T levels can range by as much as 50% over the day. A 484 > is > > very close to midrange. If it wasn't a morning test I'd be tempted > to > > call it normal. > > > > I'd have sought an E2 test to see if that was high and could get you > > the T bump you needed by controlling E2 conversion. > > > > I'd be tempted with 484 to look at dietary supplements and mild > > boosters rather than a life time of TRT. Maybe a clomid or HCG jump > > start attempt. > > > > It certainly doesn't look like secondary, and I don't think it looks > > primary either with the 484. > > > > - - - - > > Just another albino black sheep > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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