Re: I'm having problems with androgel, question pls

October 14, 2004

Hi Dave (K.),

With almost no scientific studies on Arimidex in men, I can only speculate. I do

think it's a side effect, at least for me, at least at the dosage I was taking.

I'm

" gunshy " about Arimidex, enough so that I don't want to try it again even at a

lower dose.

I really don't want to say bad things in general about Arimidex. It's definitely

helpful for many men. It makes perfect sense that too much or too little E2 are

both bad. I suspect Arimidex does something beyond lowering E2, but I don't

know what.

The excerpt you mentioned in message # 18784 offers a clue: " It (aromatase)

also is found in certain areas of the brain in high concentration (often in

conjunction with 5-alpha reductase), specifically in areas that are essential

for

the neuroendocrine control of gonadotropin secretion and sexual behavior. "

Aromatase and estrogens are SUPPOSED to be in the brain.

Bruce

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> Bruce -

>

> I wonder if lack of sensation is a possible side effect of Arimidex.

> I lost sensation pretty much right after taking my first dose and

> there's no way my E2 could have been driven that low after one .25mg

> dose with an E2 of 49.3. Right now I feel fantastic with the

> exception of libido/sensation so I'm guessing my E2 is right where it

> needs to be. It's the arimidex that is not letting my other problems

> resolve...my theory anyway.

>

> Dave K.

>

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October 14, 2004

Bruce –

Agreed. Arimidex did everything it was supposed to do for me except

increase libido. I feel completely different than before treatment –

more energy, better focus, etc. but I think it shut something down in

my brain that controls arousal or something.

I'm not totally against Arimidex either, but I wouldn't recommend it

for someone with a similar hormone profile to my own – mid-level T

(536), high E2 (49.3). Better off try to reduce E2 naturally with

DIM, soy etc. My game plan is to stop Arimidex, then try DIM/zinc

and lose a few pounds and see what happens.

Dave K.

> >

> > Bruce -

> >

> > I wonder if lack of sensation is a possible side effect of

Arimidex.

> > I lost sensation pretty much right after taking my first dose and

> > there's no way my E2 could have been driven that low after

one .25mg

> > dose with an E2 of 49.3. Right now I feel fantastic with the

> > exception of libido/sensation so I'm guessing my E2 is right

where it

> > needs to be. It's the arimidex that is not letting my other

problems

> > resolve...my theory anyway.

> >

> > Dave K.

> >

> --

October 14, 2004

Dave have you read this.

http://www.geocities.com/bill3320/hormones.html

Phil

dkrzyzek <dkrzyzek@...> wrote:

Bruce –

Agreed. Arimidex did everything it was supposed to do for me except

increase libido. I feel completely different than before treatment –

more energy, better focus, etc. but I think it shut something down in

my brain that controls arousal or something.

I'm not totally against Arimidex either, but I wouldn't recommend it

for someone with a similar hormone profile to my own – mid-level T

(536), high E2 (49.3). Better off try to reduce E2 naturally with

DIM, soy etc. My game plan is to stop Arimidex, then try DIM/zinc

and lose a few pounds and see what happens.

Dave K.

> >

> > Bruce -

> >

> > I wonder if lack of sensation is a possible side effect of

Arimidex.

> > I lost sensation pretty much right after taking my first dose and

> > there's no way my E2 could have been driven that low after

one .25mg

> > dose with an E2 of 49.3. Right now I feel fantastic with the

> > exception of libido/sensation so I'm guessing my E2 is right

where it

> > needs to be. It's the arimidex that is not letting my other

problems

> > resolve...my theory anyway.

> >

> > Dave K.

> >

> --

October 14, 2004

Yes I have Phil. That's a fantastic link, very informative.

Dave K.

> > >

> > > Bruce -

> > >

> > > I wonder if lack of sensation is a possible side effect of

> Arimidex.

> > > I lost sensation pretty much right after taking my first dose

and

> > > there's no way my E2 could have been driven that low after

> one .25mg

> > > dose with an E2 of 49.3. Right now I feel fantastic with the

> > > exception of libido/sensation so I'm guessing my E2 is right

> where it

> > > needs to be. It's the arimidex that is not letting my other

> problems

> > > resolve...my theory anyway.

> > >

> > > Dave K.

> > >

> > --

>

October 16, 2004

In a message dated 10/14/04 4:33:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

cncnolongapo@... writes:

Quite the opposite for me! I felt more on point, energetic, My skin became

less dry, my heart fibrilation decreased, but I didn't become horney or have any

more erections. My sleep even improved. I stopped for a month and the

symptoms reveted! PHOOY!

cheers;

> maybe this is a normal reaction

> that Im having but I dont think so. Since the first day I started

> using it, I feel like my breath is more shallow, I sweat more, I'm

> always hot and I'm having trouble concentrating or focusing on

> anything for more than a few minutes before feeling like I need to

> pace around the room. I feel like my mind has disengaged completely

> from my dick and I have less sensation down there than before I

> started androgel. Haven't experienced any wood either. Doc said to

> expect solid sex drive, hard erections and better mood in a few days

> but so far its been the opposite.

>

October 17, 2004

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:55:22 EDT, you wrote:

>> maybe this is a normal reaction

>> that Im having but I dont think so. Since the first day I started

>> using it, I feel like my breath is more shallow, I sweat more, I'm

>> always hot and I'm having trouble concentrating or focusing on

>> anything for more than a few minutes before feeling like I need to

>> pace around the room. I feel like my mind has disengaged completely

>> from my dick and I have less sensation down there than before I

>> started androgel. Haven't experienced any wood either. Doc said to

>> expect solid sex drive, hard erections and better mood in a few days

>> but so far its been the opposite.

It may be that your initial problem was more about high E2. Taking

high doses of testosterone would only increase that problem, producing

most of all of the symptoms you outlined.

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Just another albino black sheep

October 19, 2004

Hi,

If you have been suffering from low T and it goes back to normal after

you stop the medication causing problems, you will usually see a very

significant impovement in your erections.

This may be due to the fact that you are now enjoying a normal T level.

Us older guys get on testosterone and also see the erection benefit

while the T level is ramping up. I was really ticked off when after a

few weeks of TRT, the level of testosterone was stable at the higher

level and my ED returned.

Reading further on the subject of ED went to Dr. Irwin Goldstein,

Boston Univ. for ED therapy. TRIMIX injections have worked

fantastically for more than 10 years now. This was long before Viagra

and such but the draw back is injecting in the side of your penis.

Glad you are having some great success.

ernestnolan

>

> I started androgel a last week and maybe this is a normal reaction