Re: newest lab numbers are in advice? Options?

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> I'm LaVonne and my husband is Kent. We got the official diagnosis

> 47 xxy in September and started Depo_testosterone injections in

> November. When we started it was 200 mg injections once a month

the

> first of every month. Last month we switched to every 2 weeks.

The

> first results are prior to starting therapy and the last numbers

are

> from this week Monday approximately 10 days post shot. What do you

> all think? What about the estrogen conversion, I was surprised

> because the testosterone was much higher than I hoped but then

again

> the estrogen is getting high as well. Any thoughts/advice would be

> great.

>

> Ok his October test levals are as follow, they did not do an

> estrogen level at that time.

>

> Total T Serum was 180

> FSH 51.3

> TSH 1.03

>

> T from this week including estrogen and estradiol

>

> Total Tes Serum 904

> FSH 1.1 note it says new levels

> enacted 12/03 range should be 1.4-18.1

> Estradiol 77 pg/mL says range should be less

> than 54

> Estrogen Tot srm 128 pg/mL range is 10-114

>

> What should our next course of action be...also we are due to do

> another injection 200 mg / 1cc this Friday, should we hold off on

> this shot since his level is adequate or wait to hear from the Dr.

>

> Incidently, Kent doesn't feel much better, his energy level is

still

> low, his voice did deepen and his sex drive is stronger but he

> doesn't feel the boost he had expected from the testosterone.

>

> We are wanting to know if any over the counter aramatose inhibitors

> work better than others or if we should just push for a

prescription

> medication to control the E2

>

> Thanks,

>

> LaVonne

Hi folks;

Seems to me you had great jump in total T to 904. Try to keeo it

there. You are rights the E2 is high from the great jump. Some

studies show E2 rises at the same rate Total T does.

I suggest talk with your DR. about prescription anti-aromatose meds.

Hormones are very tough to control, even for the doctors. Doing it

yourself could produce results you don't want.

As to your next injection, I again suggest you follow your Dr.

instructions. Then get him/her to prescribe the anti-aromatose meds.

For reference, my Total T went from 160 to 230 on 2.5 gm androgel.

E2 was not measured since Dr. not aware of aromatizatuion. Will have

more tests in about 2 weeks.

Ridge

[Guest guest]

Hi LaVonne,

Great to hear that things are getting on track. 200mg every two

weeks will be much, much more effective for your husband than once a

month. Eventually, if he notices a rollercoaster type emotional

effect, he might want to consider 100mg shots every week.

T level looks good. You should stick with the once every 2 weeks

routine, no reason to go any less than that (as you suggested at the

end of the email).

Great to hear of improvement of sex drive and secondary male

characteristics.. now for mood. Just have to drop that e2 into a

normal range. To do that you will need to add a new tool to the

arsenal. The only thing that will be truly effective in lowering

estradiol level is Arimidex or Aromasin. Either of those will work

well. They are a prescription drug, originally designed to lower

estradiol levels in woman with breast cancer. They lower estradiol

levels in men to a very high amount, so you end up taking less than

1 pill a day (you have to cut the pill up).

If you are able to get a prescription, 1/2 pill of arimidex every

other day is a good starting point and should have a good effect at

lowering estradiol. After a few weeks on that routine, get blood

level checked and see where estradiol is at. The other dosing option

is 1/2 pill every day. Either one is fine to start with, just get

blood level checked and then adjust from there.

The only thing you have to watch out for is lowering estradiol too

much. Men need a certain amount of estradiol, so if you lower it too

much, then the same negative, low testosterone type of effects will

occur. Just stay within the normal range, aim for about 30

estradiol level or so.

Cheers and congratulations on doing something about it,

Armyguy

> Hi,

>

> I'm LaVonne and my husband is Kent. We got the official diagnosis

> 47 xxy in September and started Depo_testosterone injections in

> November. When we started it was 200 mg injections once a month

the

> first of every month. Last month we switched to every 2 weeks.

The

> first results are prior to starting therapy and the last numbers

are

> from this week Monday approximately 10 days post shot. What do

you

> all think? What about the estrogen conversion, I was surprised

> because the testosterone was much higher than I hoped but then

again

> the estrogen is getting high as well. Any thoughts/advice would

be

> great.

>

> Ok his October test levals are as follow, they did not do an

> estrogen level at that time.

>

> Total T Serum was 180

> FSH 51.3

> TSH 1.03

>

> T from this week including estrogen and estradiol

>

> Total Tes Serum 904

> FSH 1.1 note it says new levels

> enacted 12/03 range should be 1.4-18.1

> Estradiol 77 pg/mL says range should be

less

> than 54

> Estrogen Tot srm 128 pg/mL range is 10-114

>

> What should our next course of action be...also we are due to do

> another injection 200 mg / 1cc this Friday, should we hold off on

> this shot since his level is adequate or wait to hear from the Dr.

>

> Incidently, Kent doesn't feel much better, his energy level is

still

> low, his voice did deepen and his sex drive is stronger but he

> doesn't feel the boost he had expected from the testosterone.

>

> We are wanting to know if any over the counter aramatose

inhibitors

> work better than others or if we should just push for a

prescription

> medication to control the E2

>

> Thanks,

>

> LaVonne

[Guest guest]

Hi LaVonne,

Does your husband experience mood swings on the every other week

shots, i.e. does he feel good the first couple of days after the shot

and then it tapers down until the next shot? A lot of TRT doctors

are recommending 100mg every week instead of 200 EOW.

Regarding anti-aromatase drugs, that is a an option, it does appear

that you husband does have some high E2. From what I understand gels

and patches are better than shots at preventing conversion to E.

Also, there are over the counter supplements that may counter

conversion to E, such as zinc, DIM, I3C.

There are people in the group who are much more up to speed that I am

on the anti E's, so I will let them chime in.

Good Luck

> Hi,

>

> I'm LaVonne and my husband is Kent. We got the official diagnosis

> 47 xxy in September and started Depo_testosterone injections in

> November. When we started it was 200 mg injections once a month

the

> first of every month. Last month we switched to every 2 weeks.

The

> first results are prior to starting therapy and the last numbers

are

> from this week Monday approximately 10 days post shot. What do you

> all think? What about the estrogen conversion, I was surprised

> because the testosterone was much higher than I hoped but then

again

> the estrogen is getting high as well. Any thoughts/advice would be

> great.

>

> Ok his October test levals are as follow, they did not do an

> estrogen level at that time.

>

> Total T Serum was 180

> FSH 51.3

> TSH 1.03

>

> T from this week including estrogen and estradiol

>

> Total Tes Serum 904

> FSH 1.1 note it says new levels

> enacted 12/03 range should be 1.4-18.1

> Estradiol 77 pg/mL says range should be less

> than 54

> Estrogen Tot srm 128 pg/mL range is 10-114

>

> What should our next course of action be...also we are due to do

> another injection 200 mg / 1cc this Friday, should we hold off on

> this shot since his level is adequate or wait to hear from the Dr.

>

> Incidently, Kent doesn't feel much better, his energy level is

still

> low, his voice did deepen and his sex drive is stronger but he

> doesn't feel the boost he had expected from the testosterone.

>

> We are wanting to know if any over the counter aramatose inhibitors

> work better than others or if we should just push for a

prescription

> medication to control the E2

>

> Thanks,

>

> LaVonne