Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Frist get your E2 tested if you need a higher gel dose and it makes your E2 go up then yes you need to take something to keep it in check. Phil dano2718 <no_reply > wrote: Bruce- Thanks so much for the explanation of this common modality. I think I have just gone through that. Sorry for the questions, but my doc is being very unaccessible until I see him in May. So what do you do when E2 goes up after increasing T dose? I've never had any indications of E2 - I stay pretty lean and no sore nips, but I did start to come back " down " after raising my AG dose from 5g to 7.5g per day when low T symptoms came back at +2 weeks. I have not experienced any E2 symptoms besides lowered effectiveness of T lately, but I went back down to 5g today and I feel better so far. It seems like 5g is too little and 7.5 g is too much (converts to E2?). Or do I need to start blocking E2? TIA, Dano > > Hi, > > Your experience is common and predictable. Supplementation first boosts total T, then > suppresses natural T production so total T drops back down. An increase in T dosage will > fix that, but estradiol will often increase then, offsetting gains. Too many docs don't know > that. Insist on tests for at least T, free T and estradiol (E2). --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:59:25 -0000, you wrote: > > >Bruce- > > Thanks so much for the explanation of this common modality. I >think I have just gone through that. Sorry for the questions, but >my doc is being very unaccessible until I see him in May. >So what do you do when E2 goes up after increasing T dose? I've >never had any indications of E2 - I stay pretty lean and no sore >nips, but I did start to come back " down " after raising my AG dose >from 5g to 7.5g per day when low T symptoms came back at +2 weeks. >I have not experienced any E2 symptoms besides lowered effectiveness >of T lately, but I went back down to 5g today and I feel better so >far. It seems like 5g is too little and 7.5 g is too much (converts >to E2?). Or do I need to start blocking E2? >TIA, >Dano Call him for an E2 test. Work on it from there. I think E2 blocking is far more effective than DIMM. And certainly worth the diagnostic effort. I tried DIMM for a couple months. At first it seemed somewhat helpful. But not much. I've gone back to Arimidex with great effect. It's a bit difficult to manage though. But far preferable. I do 1/4 tablet every four days and then every two weeks or so skip one for 8 days without. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 > I have lent out my Shippen book, so I can't read about E2 there. >Maybe he explains this. Now I am wondering why, before one gets adult >onset hypogonadism, the body doesn't have issues with aromatizing too >much of the natural T into E2? Well the body does have issues and it barely manages it even with natural production. Many boys develop breasts during puberty because they get spikes in testosterone that convert over to estrogen. In most instances the body finds its way and smoothes things out over time but it is a very fragile balance where the body needs T but has trouble with anything other than the ideal amount of either natural or external T. Finding that amount and managing it is a challenge at best. Winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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