Re: HCG - how long for effect?

[Guest guest]

> have been off androgel for 10 days now, and have done three

> injections of 1000 units, 1/2 cc, of HCG. Anyone know what the

> typical time for response being on HCG is, should expect to be?

> This is strange because I did not expect anything for a couple of

> months, but after only three injections I have nightly erections and

> both my dick and scrotum feel more slightly aroused all the time.

> Perhaps the wishful thinking of hoping for positive effect is simply

> stimulating my libido more than before. But, given the relatively

> short life of androgel and the fact that it's effect should be

> pretty much all gone by now, I have/want to believe I am reacting

> fast and favorably to the HCG stimulating my nuts to produce

> testosterone. Any thoughts?

> nort828

Androgel is suppressive because it lowers your endogenous LH

secretion. Since you are directly injecting a LH substitute (hcg),

the effect, if any, of androgel isn't much of an issue. I think you

are getting a real effect and maybe a placebo benefit also.

Brad

[Guest guest]

erections at night are a sign this stuff is working. I get the same

results, even after a while with no HCG, if I inject a 1000 units, I

usually find myself waking up in the night quite horny, not such a

bad thing. Sounds to me like you are getting the real deal.

Eventually, estradiol will likely become a problem (probably sooner

than later, so keep an eye on it!)

Can't remember, are you the fellow who has been on the shots for

over a decade?

Armyguy

> have been off androgel for 10 days now, and have done three

> injections of 1000 units, 1/2 cc, of HCG. Anyone know what the

> typical time for response being on HCG is, should expect to be?

> This is strange because I did not expect anything for a couple of

> months, but after only three injections I have nightly erections

and

> both my dick and scrotum feel more slightly aroused all the time.

> Perhaps the wishful thinking of hoping for positive effect is

simply

> stimulating my libido more than before. But, given the relatively

> short life of androgel and the fact that it's effect should be

> pretty much all gone by now, I have/want to believe I am reacting

> fast and favorably to the HCG stimulating my nuts to produce

> testosterone. Any thoughts?

> nort828

[Guest guest]

> erections at night are a sign this stuff is working. I get the

same

> results, even after a while with no HCG, if I inject a 1000 units,

I

> usually find myself waking up in the night quite horny, not such a

> bad thing. Sounds to me like you are getting the real deal.

>

> Eventually, estradiol will likely become a problem (probably

sooner

> than later, so keep an eye on it!)

>

> Can't remember, are you the fellow who has been on the shots for

> over a decade?

>

> Armyguy

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Armyguy, yes I have been doing depostestosterone for some 32 years,

and just in the past year switched to angrogel. I have never had a

monitoring blood test in that entire time, doing about 1cc of depo

every month or so, cause that's what they told me three decades ago.

Since I joined this list I had gotten really educated, and it made

me want to learn a lot more. Thanks to what I learned here I met

with my endo two weeks ago and told hime I wanted off the depo and

androgel and wanted to try the hcg stuff, he said sure let's try it.

I am delighted with my response after only three injections, but I

am very, very concerned about gyno as I had liposuction a couple

years ago to remove fat from breasts and belly and sides. Granted a

lot of it was simply getting older and eating good all those years,

but my breasts were always more fatty than " normal " . I talked to

him about this and my concern about the HCG raising E and starting

this problem again. He said we should do nothing now and get blood

work in about two months to test T and E. I got tired of arguing

with him and have been taking 100mg of Zinc with copper a day I

bought at wild oats, from what I learned here it should help

suppress E. I also just ordered online Chrysin 250mg pills to also

take as I read they also help suppress E. I hope I am doing the

right thing by taking these and not waiting the two months. I have

gained five pounds and am eating very little and am feeling puffy in

the belly and breasts since starting the HCG and I am just hate that

feeling.

nort828

[Guest guest]

Ouch! I hate that when I write a loooong reply and my hand hits the

wrong button half way through and the whole message disapears...

arg, just happened.

Gist of what I was saying is:

2 months to wait for a test is not totally unreasonable. It will

take a while to see what kind of effect the HCG will have. 1 month

would be better for first test. No anti e is needed right off the

bat, unless your E is already high from the androgel, which is

possible, did you have it tested?

At this point your biggest worry should not be E in my opinion, it

should be is your body producing testosterone. It usually takes a

bit to get T moving up again from HCG to a normal level. After 30

years on the shots... that bit might be a long while, hopefully not

though. Low T will cause you to feel like you have High E and just

not great overall. But the point is, just stick with the program,

tough it out, and get your blood tested when you can. HCG is not an

instantaneous solution, it is one that takes a bit of work. Again,

if you could get tested after 1 month it would be ideal, but after 2

is not too bad after 30 years on the shots, it will probably take

some time to see results.

Also, your 1 cc per month routine for 30 years is definitely what

caused your gyno and fatty symptoms in the first place. That is not

nearly enough t for replacment and your T/E ratio would never have

been very good on that little replacement. The good thing is, you

are attacking the problem now, just tough it out, adjust as

necessary and you will feel great in the end! Might take up to a

year or two to really fine tune things to perfection... that's what

I have found in my experience anyway, but positive results should

come quickly.

Armyguy

> > erections at night are a sign this stuff is working. I get the

> same

> > results, even after a while with no HCG, if I inject a 1000

units,

> I

> > usually find myself waking up in the night quite horny, not such

a

> > bad thing. Sounds to me like you are getting the real deal.

> >

> > Eventually, estradiol will likely become a problem (probably

> sooner

> > than later, so keep an eye on it!)

> >

> > Can't remember, are you the fellow who has been on the shots for

> > over a decade?

> >

> > Armyguy

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Armyguy, yes I have been doing depostestosterone for some 32

years,

> and just in the past year switched to angrogel. I have never had

a

> monitoring blood test in that entire time, doing about 1cc of depo

> every month or so, cause that's what they told me three decades

ago.

> Since I joined this list I had gotten really educated, and it made

> me want to learn a lot more. Thanks to what I learned here I met

> with my endo two weeks ago and told hime I wanted off the depo and

> androgel and wanted to try the hcg stuff, he said sure let's try

it.

> I am delighted with my response after only three injections, but I

> am very, very concerned about gyno as I had liposuction a couple

> years ago to remove fat from breasts and belly and sides. Granted

a

> lot of it was simply getting older and eating good all those

years,

> but my breasts were always more fatty than " normal " . I talked to

> him about this and my concern about the HCG raising E and starting

> this problem again. He said we should do nothing now and get blood

> work in about two months to test T and E. I got tired of arguing

> with him and have been taking 100mg of Zinc with copper a day I

> bought at wild oats, from what I learned here it should help

> suppress E. I also just ordered online Chrysin 250mg pills to

also

> take as I read they also help suppress E. I hope I am doing the

> right thing by taking these and not waiting the two months. I

have

> gained five pounds and am eating very little and am feeling puffy

in

> the belly and breasts since starting the HCG and I am just hate

that

> feeling.

> nort828