Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Femera is very effective in lowering E2. What does of hCG are you using in IU? .5cc is volume, but what concentration? hCG is know to increase aromatization to E2 >From: " " <realrmc@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Arimedex or Femera >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:51:53 -0000 > >Armyguy or anyone else familiar with these drugs. >Got a question for you. Do you have a reliable source for any >studies that have been done on the use of Arimedex or Femera to >lower E2 levels??? I just got back from having my T levels checked >and asked the doctor to check the E2 levels as well my T levels were >976 but the E2 levels were around 86 I know that the ideal for E2 is >a ratio of 40:1 and should be no higher than 50. I am currently on >HCG along with only 5 grams of androgel a day. The HCG I do is .5cc >sub Q e.o.d. My doctor seems to think that to lower the E levels you >need to lower the T levels. With all of the post that I have read >here, no one here recommends this. If you have a link for a study or >a reliable source of information, I would greatly appreciate you >sending it to me. My doctor is open to reading this information >provided that it comes from a recognized source or published article >from a medical journal. >My doctor has suggested to play around with the dosage of the 5 >grams of T that I am currently on or with the frequency of use of >the HCG that I use to bring down the E levels and have another blood >test done in four weeks. >Thanks >Realrmc > > > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 As far as I know, HCG is virtually always the same concentration. You just mix the two bottles together. .5 cc is 500 units. eod, that actually is quite a bit. I believe that the highest Shippen prescribes over the long term is .5 cc three times a week (slightly less). That much hcg, either eod or 3 times a week, is definitely enough to cause significant E2 conversion. Have you had your e2 checked? I have no experience with Femera. y has used it and says that it worked " too well " . I don't believe that it is the recommended drug of choice for most doctors. Arimidex is the standard, and Aromasin is the new kid on the block from what I can tell. Shippen is now prescribing Aromasin over Arimidex because he thinks arimidex lingers in the system too long and supposedly Aromasin has a shorter half life. I am sorry that I don't have studies. I don't have any at my fingertips and not in the mood to do a lot of Web research. But you are right that Arimidex, Aromasin (or possibly Femera), will lower your e2, regardless of how high you take your T level. All three do work very effectively. Armyguy > Femera is very effective in lowering E2. > What does of hCG are you using in IU? .5cc is volume, but what > concentration? > hCG is know to increase aromatization to E2 > > > >From: " " <realrmc@y...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Arimedex or Femera > >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:51:53 -0000 > > > >Armyguy or anyone else familiar with these drugs. > >Got a question for you. Do you have a reliable source for any > >studies that have been done on the use of Arimedex or Femera to > >lower E2 levels??? I just got back from having my T levels checked > >and asked the doctor to check the E2 levels as well my T levels were > >976 but the E2 levels were around 86 I know that the ideal for E2 is > >a ratio of 40:1 and should be no higher than 50. I am currently on > >HCG along with only 5 grams of androgel a day. The HCG I do is .5cc > >sub Q e.o.d. My doctor seems to think that to lower the E levels you > >need to lower the T levels. With all of the post that I have read > >here, no one here recommends this. If you have a link for a study or > >a reliable source of information, I would greatly appreciate you > >sending it to me. My doctor is open to reading this information > >provided that it comes from a recognized source or published article > >from a medical journal. > >My doctor has suggested to play around with the dosage of the 5 > >grams of T that I am currently on or with the frequency of use of > >the HCG that I use to bring down the E levels and have another blood > >test done in four weeks. > >Thanks > >Realrmc > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 , I attempted managing my estradiol/estrogen (Es) with OTC....a Chry/Dim gel and Di-Indolin. I was on Depo injections for a couple years. Had total/free T measured twice: Blood collected 8th day after last injection of 100 mg Depo-Testosterone on... June 4th '01 .. . . Testosterone .. . . . . .Total . . . . . . . . 989 (241 - 827) .. . . . . . Free. . . . . . . . .42.0(6.6 - 18.1) July 9th '01 .. . . . ..Total . . . . . . . . . 774 .. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . .. 38.8 My understanding that it's free T that's converted to Es. My E values over time Estradiol (<54) Estrogen (40-115) 9-28-00.........71 12-19-00........99 2-1-01..........58 2-9-01..........52 3-01-01.........96 3-26-01.........50 6-04-01.........82............134 7-9-01..........55............200 8-2-01..........87............196 8-2-01 began 1 mg/dy Arimidex Began 10 gm/dy AndroGel 9-29-01.........37.............85 Began 1 mg Arimidex eod 11-2-01.........59............101 Resumed 1 mg Arimidex/dy 12-5-01.........50............124 3-11-02.........16.............44 1 mg Arimidex for two days. One day off 4-29-02.........27.............73 7-3-02..........52............112 Resumed 1 mg Arimidex/dy 9-12-02.........56.............55 12-11-02........41.............57 2-25-03.........41.............53 Discontinued having total estrogens measured 8-15-03.........28 10-27-03........14 1-08-04.........11 The last estradiol level of 11 on bleed of 1-08-04 was too low...I had begun taking 1 mg Arimidex eod...but was hospitalized and was off AndroGel and Arimidex. I've resumed 5 g/dy Androgel but have not resumed Arimidex yet...will wait until next blood work. As you can see I have blood work done frequently. Having HIV/AIDS, my PCP keeps his HIV/AIDS clients on a short leash and wants blood work every two months. Arimidex has worked very well for me without any side effects that I can discern. OR eon GayMan Arimedex or Femera Armyguy or anyone else familiar with these drugs. Got a question for you. Do you have a reliable source for any studies that have been done on the use of Arimedex or Femera to lower E2 levels??? I just got back from having my T levels checked and asked the doctor to check the E2 levels as well my T levels were 976 but the E2 levels were around 86 I know that the ideal for E2 is a ratio of 40:1 and should be no higher than 50. I am currently on HCG along with only 5 grams of androgel a day. The HCG I do is .5cc sub Q e.o.d. My doctor seems to think that to lower the E levels you need to lower the T levels. With all of the post that I have read here, no one here recommends this. If you have a link for a study or a reliable source of information, I would greatly appreciate you sending it to me. My doctor is open to reading this information provided that it comes from a recognized source or published article from a medical journal. My doctor has suggested to play around with the dosage of the 5 grams of T that I am currently on or with the frequency of use of the HCG that I use to bring down the E levels and have another blood test done in four weeks. Thanks Realrmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 I don't see anything terribly wrong with trying lower doses/t levels for awhile. More isn't always better. It's not as if you couldn't raise your levels back up if it proved necessary. I am not sure exactly what sort of journal article you are looking for. If you just want something to show that arimidex will lower estradiol in men, this might be helpful: http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm Brad > Phil and Oreon, > Thanks for the input....I will run this by my doctor with the links and your protocols. I suspect that he will think that unless he sees it in a medical journal its not scientific fact but I won't know unless I present it to him. But thank you, thank you, thank you for your input. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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