Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 The problem with going off on your own and getting Arimidex (I've considered this myself), is you really need to have E2 checked frequently when you're on it in order to gauge what the proper dosage should be, and ultimately what the best " maintenance " dose should be to maintain a reasonable level. I would try another doctor. I have my doubts on how much these herbal remedies and/or zinc work. Especially if your levels are really high. Dave K. > Zinc hasn't been working for me to lower E2, my PCP won't prescribe > Arimidex, and it's months before I can see the Endo he referred me too, who > I've seen before for thyroid, and I just KNOW she won't prescribe it either > (she's enough behind the times on thyroid that there's no way she'll be up > to speed on testosterone therapy). > > I haven't reached full blown ED yet, but erections have been getting softer > and harder to maintain as my time on TRT continues. > > Anyways, desperate to get this E2 down, I bought a bottle of 6-OXO > (Ergopharm), which is supposed to lower E2 by permanently bonding to > aromatase enzymes. It may be psychological, but I think it has some effect, > erections have been slightly firmer and easier to maintain the last few > days. > > Here's the downside, though, economics: > > 1 bottle of the stuff (60 capsules), costs $35. Daily dose is 3 to 6 > capsules per day depending on if you're body builder coming off a > Testosterone cycle, or just someone trying to increase T without steroids. > So, figure 3 caps per day, one bottle is a 20 day supply, but I'm on TRT, so > 6 is probably more likely. Either way, I'm looking at $50 to $100 per month > to use this stuff, if it even really works. > > Arimidex, on the other hand, without insurance, can be bought in Mexico > without a prescription, or from Dr. , for about $9 per 1gm pill. It > seems the typical dose peopel on Arimidex in this group are taking is > somewhere around 0.5g every 5 to 10 days. Depending on what actually works > for me, I can get something that is sure to work, much more effective, and > at a cost of somewhere between $15 and $30 per month. > > Zinc, if it works, is obviously the best choice, but between the other two > choices it seems like a no brainer. > > With the availability of cheap real pharmacueticals, I wonder how these > supplement, pro-hormone, whatever manufacturers stay in business. > > Any comments? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Hi Dave, From our database of doctors, there's: Ramon Scruggs MD www.newhopemed.com 949-631-9047 1831 Orange Ave. Suite A Costa Mesa, CA 92627 New Hope Health Center Hormone replacement (high percentage of patients are athletes) One of the greatest things I've done for hypogonadism treatment is to find = a great doctor, one who actually knows more about TRT than I do! The second greatest was to fire the docs who didn't know what they were doing. It's worth the search. When you find one, you'll wish you'd done it sooner.= Best, Bruce > > > Zinc hasn't been working for me to lower E2, my PCP won't prescribe > > > Arimidex, and it's months before I can see the Endo he referred me > > too, who > > > I've seen before for thyroid, and I just KNOW she won't prescribe > > it either > > > (she's enough behind the times on thyroid that there's no way > > she'll be up > > > to speed on testosterone therapy). > > > > > > I haven't reached full blown ED yet, but erections have been > > getting softer > > > and harder to maintain as my time on TRT continues. > > > > > > Anyways, desperate to get this E2 down, I bought a bottle of 6-OXO > > > (Ergopharm), which is supposed to lower E2 by permanently bonding > > to > > > aromatase enzymes. It may be psychological, but I think it has > > some effect, > > > erections have been slightly firmer and easier to maintain the > > last few > > > days. > > > > > > Here's the downside, though, economics: > > > > > > 1 bottle of the stuff (60 capsules), costs $35. Daily dose is 3 > > to 6 > > > capsules per day depending on if you're body builder coming off a > > > Testosterone cycle, or just someone trying to increase T without > > steroids. > > > So, figure 3 caps per day, one bottle is a 20 day supply, but I'm > > on TRT, so > > > 6 is probably more likely. Either way, I'm looking at $50 to $100 > > per month > > > to use this stuff, if it even really works. > > > > > > Arimidex, on the other hand, without insurance, can be bought in > > Mexico > > > without a prescription, or from Dr. , for about $9 per 1gm > > pill. It > > > seems the typical dose peopel on Arimidex in this group are taking > > is > > > somewhere around 0.5g every 5 to 10 days. Depending on what > > actually works > > > for me, I can get something that is sure to work, much more > > effective, and > > > at a cost of somewhere between $15 and $30 per month. > > > > > > Zinc, if it works, is obviously the best choice, but between the > > other two > > > choices it seems like a no brainer. > > > > > > With the availability of cheap real pharmacueticals, I wonder how > > these > > > supplement, pro-hormone, whatever manufacturers stay in business. > > > > > > Any comments? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Hi Dave, You might want to look into this site for thyroid conditions. http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/ I heard about it from another group, and how thyroids mess with body temperatures, and the writer stated that sometimes getting the body temperature under control helps with the thyroid. I think he got his information from the link above. > > > Zinc hasn't been working for me to lower E2, my PCP won't prescribe > > > Arimidex, and it's months before I can see the Endo he referred me > > too, who > > > I've seen before for thyroid, and I just KNOW she won't prescribe > > it either > > > (she's enough behind the times on thyroid that there's no way > > she'll be up > > > to speed on testosterone therapy). > > > > > > I haven't reached full blown ED yet, but erections have been > > getting softer > > > and harder to maintain as my time on TRT continues. > > > > > > Anyways, desperate to get this E2 down, I bought a bottle of 6- OXO > > > (Ergopharm), which is supposed to lower E2 by permanently bonding > > to > > > aromatase enzymes. It may be psychological, but I think it has > > some effect, > > > erections have been slightly firmer and easier to maintain the > > last few > > > days. > > > > > > Here's the downside, though, economics: > > > > > > 1 bottle of the stuff (60 capsules), costs $35. Daily dose is 3 > > to 6 > > > capsules per day depending on if you're body builder coming off a > > > Testosterone cycle, or just someone trying to increase T without > > steroids. > > > So, figure 3 caps per day, one bottle is a 20 day supply, but I'm > > on TRT, so > > > 6 is probably more likely. Either way, I'm looking at $50 to $100 > > per month > > > to use this stuff, if it even really works. > > > > > > Arimidex, on the other hand, without insurance, can be bought in > > Mexico > > > without a prescription, or from Dr. , for about $9 per 1gm > > pill. It > > > seems the typical dose peopel on Arimidex in this group are taking > > is > > > somewhere around 0.5g every 5 to 10 days. Depending on what > > actually works > > > for me, I can get something that is sure to work, much more > > effective, and > > > at a cost of somewhere between $15 and $30 per month. > > > > > > Zinc, if it works, is obviously the best choice, but between the > > other two > > > choices it seems like a no brainer. > > > > > > With the availability of cheap real pharmacueticals, I wonder how > > these > > > supplement, pro-hormone, whatever manufacturers stay in business. > > > > > > Any comments? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 Hi Dave, The person I read the temperature thing is on the anti aging group on . He does seem like a knowledgeable person, I don't think he's the same person that advocates hot water baths, he posts as vinod in the AntiAgingResearch group. He seems knowledgable, but I really don't know too much about his background. If your interested you may want to look into it. > > > > > Zinc hasn't been working for me to lower E2, my PCP won't > > prescribe > > > > > Arimidex, and it's months before I can see the Endo he referred > > me > > > > too, who > > > > > I've seen before for thyroid, and I just KNOW she won't > > prescribe > > > > it either > > > > > (she's enough behind the times on thyroid that there's no way > > > > she'll be up > > > > > to speed on testosterone therapy). > > > > > > > > > > I haven't reached full blown ED yet, but erections have been > > > > getting softer > > > > > and harder to maintain as my time on TRT continues. > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, desperate to get this E2 down, I bought a bottle of 6- > > OXO > > > > > (Ergopharm), which is supposed to lower E2 by permanently > > bonding > > > > to > > > > > aromatase enzymes. It may be psychological, but I think it has > > > > some effect, > > > > > erections have been slightly firmer and easier to maintain the > > > > last few > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the downside, though, economics: > > > > > > > > > > 1 bottle of the stuff (60 capsules), costs $35. Daily dose is 3 > > > > to 6 > > > > > capsules per day depending on if you're body builder coming off > > a > > > > > Testosterone cycle, or just someone trying to increase T without > > > > steroids. > > > > > So, figure 3 caps per day, one bottle is a 20 day supply, but > > I'm > > > > on TRT, so > > > > > 6 is probably more likely. Either way, I'm looking at $50 to > > $100 > > > > per month > > > > > to use this stuff, if it even really works. > > > > > > > > > > Arimidex, on the other hand, without insurance, can be bought in > > > > Mexico > > > > > without a prescription, or from Dr. , for about $9 per 1gm > > > > pill. It > > > > > seems the typical dose peopel on Arimidex in this group are > > taking > > > > is > > > > > somewhere around 0.5g every 5 to 10 days. Depending on what > > > > actually works > > > > > for me, I can get something that is sure to work, much more > > > > effective, and > > > > > at a cost of somewhere between $15 and $30 per month. > > > > > > > > > > Zinc, if it works, is obviously the best choice, but between the > > > > other two > > > > > choices it seems like a no brainer. > > > > > > > > > > With the availability of cheap real pharmacueticals, I wonder > > how > > > > these > > > > > supplement, pro-hormone, whatever manufacturers stay in > > business. > > > > > > > > > > Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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