Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Brad, Yes, I'm still using L-Arginine (LA)....about five mins ago I orderd 2 lbs from a new vendor http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=70 & brand_id=563 & set=1 Previously I bought LA from http://kilosports.com/ I'm half way through my 5th kilo from that vendor. New vendor t I learned about at the enlarging dick site http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/ there's a thread in the Supplements Forum. I've taken upwards of 15-20 gms/dy with no ill effect..Presumably the potentially, most untoward effect is activating a latenet herpes infection....mainly herpes type 1, cause of cold sores/fever blisters. Recently a member of gay_and_bisexual_ED/?yguid=4213886 Expressed interested in Maca as, LA activated his herpes. This was first time I've heard of this happening. Greater than 90% of world's population is infected with type 1 herpes virus; I know that I'm infected because I was a herpes virologist and tested myself, but I've never had a cold sore or fever blister. I have taken upwards of ~30 gms/dy, but average now is ~15 gms/dy. An online friend posted recently at ASI - NG that he takes 20 gms LA/dy. I've looked for his post but have been unable to find it so I'm going to email him directly. I mix 5 gms with ~4 oz (1/2 cup) apple juice...that's sufficient amount of apple juice for LA to go into solution. I like taking on an empty stomach as this facilitates LA movement into blood. All of my " tossing offs " are by cybersex which works very well for me. I translate cyber dialogue between me and my partner into visual/tactile images/sensations. With a dynamic cyber partner, I like " edging " for 30 - 45 mins before explosive toss off. At bedtime I generally take 5 gms LA...this seems to facilitate/promote my nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs)..I would rate my NEs and PHs as equal to my sexual erections. The former are completely involuntary, programmed by our body for maintenance of our dick in good health. BTW, it's known now that women have analogous clitoral tumescence. There's an excellent, scholarly book, The Arginine Solution Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. I bought my copy in 2000 from Amazon.com and paid S & H; last year, I wanted to give b/f copy so I ordered from local bookseller and avoided S & H. Viagra does not work for me. I'm considering ordering some Cialis as most of reports I've read have been positive. A member of Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ introduced us recently to Maca. So I jumped on bandwagon with vigor. I take 4 gms Maca powder/dy, Maca seems to make my dick and nuts fuller and " hang " . At ASI there's a poll on Maca. In the closed poll section of Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/polls Have you seen an erectile improvement since taking maca? How much Maca do you take per day? How long were you on maca before you did see an improvement? What brand of Maca do you use or prefer? What form of Maca do you use? For me, I think that Maca and LA act synergistically. I take 4 gms Maca powder/dy at one sitting....it's very user friendly....I just sprinkle it over food. Orange marmalade on bagel or English muffin, soups, etc. In links section here I've created some folders on L-Arginine and Maca. Brad, bottom line on LA...just experiment...to find dose and conditions that work best for you. Just my experiences..... Good luck, OR eon Oreon-l-arginine-V Oreon, Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? Do you notice an additive effect? Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for l-arginine? Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Thanks, Oreon If you hadn't figured it out, I asked if there an additive effect with arginine and viagra because I recently had an experience that strongly suggested (to me) that there was. Leaving the details out, I would say it was quite an impressive experience. Nitric oxide is definitely our friend. I am not sure why cialis would work for you if viagra fails. I look forward to trying it. If one can get by with breaking a 20mg cialis in half, it could be relatively inexpensive. Thanks again, Brad > Brad, > > Yes, I'm still using L-Arginine (LA)....about five mins ago I orderd 2 lbs > from a new vendor > http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=70 & brand_id=563 & set=1 > > Previously I bought LA from http://kilosports.com/ I'm half way through my > 5th kilo from that vendor. > > > New vendor t I learned about at the enlarging dick site > http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/ there's a thread in the Supplements > Forum. > I've taken upwards of 15-20 gms/dy with no ill effect..Presumably the > potentially, most untoward effect is activating a latenet herpes > infection....mainly herpes type 1, cause of cold sores/fever blisters. > Recently a member of > gay_and_bisexual_ED/?yguid=4213886 > Expressed interested in Maca as, LA activated his herpes. This was first > time I've heard of this happening. > Greater than 90% of world's population is infected with type 1 herpes virus; > I know that I'm infected because I was a herpes virologist and tested > myself, but I've never had a cold sore or fever blister. I have taken > upwards of ~30 gms/dy, but average now is ~15 gms/dy. > An online friend posted recently at ASI - NG that he takes 20 gms LA/dy. > I've looked for his post but have been unable to find it so I'm going to > email him directly. > I mix 5 gms with ~4 oz (1/2 cup) apple juice...that's sufficient amount of > apple juice for LA to go into solution. > I like taking on an empty stomach as this facilitates LA movement into > blood. All of my " tossing offs " are by cybersex which works very well for > me. I translate cyber dialogue between me and my partner into > visual/tactile images/sensations. With a dynamic cyber partner, I like > " edging " for 30 - 45 mins before explosive toss off. > At bedtime I generally take 5 gms LA...this seems to facilitate/promote my > nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs)..I would rate my NEs and > PHs as equal to my sexual erections. The former are completely > involuntary, programmed by our body for maintenance of our dick in good > health. > BTW, it's known now that women have analogous clitoral tumescence. > There's an excellent, scholarly book, The Arginine Solution > Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. I bought my copy in 2000 from > Amazon.com and paid S & H; last year, I wanted to give b/f copy so I ordered > from local bookseller and avoided S & H. > Viagra does not work for me. I'm considering ordering some Cialis as most > of reports I've read have been positive. > A member of Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ > introduced us recently to Maca. So I jumped on bandwagon with vigor. I > take 4 gms Maca powder/dy, Maca seems to make my dick and nuts fuller and > " hang " . > At ASI there's a poll on Maca. > In the closed poll section of > Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/polls > > Have you seen an erectile improvement since taking maca? > How much Maca do you take per day? > How long were you on maca before you did see an improvement? > What brand of Maca do you use or prefer? > What form of Maca do you use? > For me, I think that Maca and LA act synergistically. I take 4 gms Maca > powder/dy at one sitting....it's very user friendly....I just sprinkle it > over food. Orange marmalade on bagel or English muffin, soups, etc. > In links section here I've created some folders on L-Arginine and Maca. > Brad, bottom line on LA...just experiment...to find dose and conditions that > work best for you. > Just my experiences..... > Good luck, > OR eon > > > > > > > Oreon-l-arginine-V > > Oreon, > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? > Do you notice an additive effect? > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > l-arginine? > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Hey guy, have you tried dopaminergic drugs? I have read a lot about Dostinex (generic name cabergoline), that it is very helpful for libido/sexual performance. I wanted to try it, but my doctor refused to prescribe it. > > Brad, > > > > Yes, I'm still using L-Arginine (LA)....about five mins ago I orderd > 2 lbs > > from a new vendor > > http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=70 & brand_id=563 & set=1 > > > > Previously I bought LA from http://kilosports.com/ I'm half way > through my > > 5th kilo from that vendor. > > > > > > New vendor t I learned about at the enlarging dick site > > http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/ there's a thread in the Supplements > > Forum. > > I've taken upwards of 15-20 gms/dy with no ill effect..Presumably the > > potentially, most untoward effect is activating a latenet herpes > > infection....mainly herpes type 1, cause of cold sores/fever blisters. > > Recently a member of > > gay_and_bisexual_ED/?yguid=4213886 > > Expressed interested in Maca as, LA activated his herpes. This was > first > > time I've heard of this happening. > > Greater than 90% of world's population is infected with type 1 > herpes virus; > > I know that I'm infected because I was a herpes virologist and tested > > myself, but I've never had a cold sore or fever blister. I have taken > > upwards of ~30 gms/dy, but average now is ~15 gms/dy. > > An online friend posted recently at ASI - NG that he takes 20 gms LA/dy. > > I've looked for his post but have been unable to find it so I'm going to > > email him directly. > > I mix 5 gms with ~4 oz (1/2 cup) apple juice...that's sufficient > amount of > > apple juice for LA to go into solution. > > I like taking on an empty stomach as this facilitates LA movement into > > blood. All of my " tossing offs " are by cybersex which works very > well for > > me. I translate cyber dialogue between me and my partner into > > visual/tactile images/sensations. With a dynamic cyber partner, I like > > " edging " for 30 - 45 mins before explosive toss off. > > At bedtime I generally take 5 gms LA...this seems to > facilitate/promote my > > nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs)..I would rate my > NEs and > > PHs as equal to my sexual erections. The former are completely > > involuntary, programmed by our body for maintenance of our dick in good > > health. > > BTW, it's known now that women have analogous clitoral tumescence. > > There's an excellent, scholarly book, The Arginine Solution > > Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. I bought my copy in 2000 from > > Amazon.com and paid S & H; last year, I wanted to give b/f copy so I > ordered > > from local bookseller and avoided S & H. > > Viagra does not work for me. I'm considering ordering some Cialis > as most > > of reports I've read have been positive. > > A member of Alt-Support-Impotence- ASI/ > > introduced us recently to Maca. So I jumped on bandwagon with vigor. I > > take 4 gms Maca powder/dy, Maca seems to make my dick and nuts > fuller and > > " hang " . > > At ASI there's a poll on Maca. > > In the closed poll section of > > Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/polls > > > > Have you seen an erectile improvement since taking maca? > > How much Maca do you take per day? > > How long were you on maca before you did see an improvement? > > What brand of Maca do you use or prefer? > > What form of Maca do you use? > > For me, I think that Maca and LA act synergistically. I take 4 gms > Maca > > powder/dy at one sitting....it's very user friendly....I just > sprinkle it > > over food. Orange marmalade on bagel or English muffin, soups, etc. > > In links section here I've created some folders on L-Arginine and Maca. > > Brad, bottom line on LA...just experiment...to find dose and > conditions that > > work best for you. > > Just my experiences..... > > Good luck, > > OR eon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oreon-l-arginine-V > > > > Oreon, > > > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? > > Do you notice an additive effect? > > > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes > > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > > l-arginine? > > > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I am not surprised that he refused to prescribe it. Is your libido and performance below normal or are you looking for recreational enhancement? Those with elevated prolactin benefit but I don't know what mechanism is involved. In Parkinson's there are reports of improvement in sexual functioning with treatment. I suspect (but don't know) that there are benefits for those with a dysfunction involving dopamine. I would further suspect that any benefit would be limited in those with normal dopamine. I am slow to manipulate neurotransmitters. Those drugs can also make you feel sick. Brad > > > Brad, > > > > > > Yes, I'm still using L-Arginine (LA)....about five mins ago I > orderd > > 2 lbs > > > from a new vendor > > > http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=70 & brand_id=563 & set=1 > > > > > > Previously I bought LA from http://kilosports.com/ I'm half way > > through my > > > 5th kilo from that vendor. > > > > > > > > > New vendor t I learned about at the enlarging dick site > > > http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/ there's a thread in the > Supplements > > > Forum. > > > I've taken upwards of 15-20 gms/dy with no ill effect..Presumably > the > > > potentially, most untoward effect is activating a latenet herpes > > > infection....mainly herpes type 1, cause of cold sores/fever > blisters. > > > Recently a member of > > > gay_and_bisexual_ED/?yguid=4213886 > > > Expressed interested in Maca as, LA activated his herpes. This > was > > first > > > time I've heard of this happening. > > > Greater than 90% of world's population is infected with type 1 > > herpes virus; > > > I know that I'm infected because I was a herpes virologist and > tested > > > myself, but I've never had a cold sore or fever blister. I have > taken > > > upwards of ~30 gms/dy, but average now is ~15 gms/dy. > > > An online friend posted recently at ASI - NG that he takes 20 gms > LA/dy. > > > I've looked for his post but have been unable to find it so I'm > going to > > > email him directly. > > > I mix 5 gms with ~4 oz (1/2 cup) apple juice...that's sufficient > > amount of > > > apple juice for LA to go into solution. > > > I like taking on an empty stomach as this facilitates LA movement > into > > > blood. All of my " tossing offs " are by cybersex which works very > > well for > > > me. I translate cyber dialogue between me and my partner into > > > visual/tactile images/sensations. With a dynamic cyber partner, > I like > > > " edging " for 30 - 45 mins before explosive toss off. > > > At bedtime I generally take 5 gms LA...this seems to > > facilitate/promote my > > > nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs)..I would rate my > > NEs and > > > PHs as equal to my sexual erections. The former are completely > > > involuntary, programmed by our body for maintenance of our dick > in good > > > health. > > > BTW, it's known now that women have analogous clitoral tumescence. > > > There's an excellent, scholarly book, The Arginine Solution > > > > Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. I bought my copy in > 2000 from > > > Amazon.com and paid S & H; last year, I wanted to give b/f copy > so I > > ordered > > > from local bookseller and avoided S & H. > > > Viagra does not work for me. I'm considering ordering some Cialis > > as most > > > of reports I've read have been positive. > > > A member of Alt-Support-Impotence- > ASI/ > > > introduced us recently to Maca. So I jumped on bandwagon with > vigor. I > > > take 4 gms Maca powder/dy, Maca seems to make my dick and nuts > > fuller and > > > " hang " . > > > At ASI there's a poll on Maca. > > > In the closed poll section of > > > Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/polls > > > > > > Have you seen an erectile improvement since taking maca? > > > How much Maca do you take per day? > > > How long were you on maca before you did see an improvement? > > > What brand of Maca do you use or prefer? > > > What form of Maca do you use? > > > For me, I think that Maca and LA act synergistically. I take 4 > gms > > Maca > > > powder/dy at one sitting....it's very user friendly....I just > > sprinkle it > > > over food. Orange marmalade on bagel or English muffin, soups, > etc. > > > In links section here I've created some folders on L-Arginine and > Maca. > > > Brad, bottom line on LA...just experiment...to find dose and > > conditions that > > > work best for you. > > > Just my experiences..... > > > Good luck, > > > OR eon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oreon-l-arginine-V > > > > > > Oreon, > > > > > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or > cialis? > > > Do you notice an additive effect? > > > > > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine > tastes > > > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > > > l-arginine? > > > > > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 , I'm slowly getting caught up....I'm working on a reply to your recent question about how I felt when I brought my Es down after beginning Arimidex. No, I haven't tried Dostinex....my libido is A-OK, I've always been sexually voracious ....I average an orgasm/dy, a few dys/month two/dy...it doesn't bother me that it's cyber. I have a wonderful younger b/f...he's HIV- and probability of us ever being intimate sexually is extremely remote. BUT for me, and I think for him also, our friendship is extremely satisfying emotionally/spiritually. We feel a deep connection with each other....talk on telephone couple times/dy, etc. He visited three weeks last summer...I spent Christmas with him and he was here for a week in April. He will be here later this summer. OR eon Oreon-l-arginine-V > > > > Oreon, > > > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? > > Do you notice an additive effect? > > > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes > > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > > l-arginine? > > > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Brad, I too have had a " possitive " response to using Viagra along with L- Arginine. It was Quite an addition. y > > Brad, > > > > Yes, I'm still using L-Arginine (LA)....about five mins ago I orderd > 2 lbs > > from a new vendor > > http://www.supplementdirect.com/?content=70 & brand_id=563 & set=1 > > > > Previously I bought LA from http://kilosports.com/ I'm half way > through my > > 5th kilo from that vendor. > > > > > > New vendor t I learned about at the enlarging dick site > > http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/ there's a thread in the Supplements > > Forum. > > I've taken upwards of 15-20 gms/dy with no ill effect..Presumably the > > potentially, most untoward effect is activating a latenet herpes > > infection....mainly herpes type 1, cause of cold sores/fever blisters. > > Recently a member of > > gay_and_bisexual_ED/?yguid=4213886 > > Expressed interested in Maca as, LA activated his herpes. This was > first > > time I've heard of this happening. > > Greater than 90% of world's population is infected with type 1 > herpes virus; > > I know that I'm infected because I was a herpes virologist and tested > > myself, but I've never had a cold sore or fever blister. I have taken > > upwards of ~30 gms/dy, but average now is ~15 gms/dy. > > An online friend posted recently at ASI - NG that he takes 20 gms LA/dy. > > I've looked for his post but have been unable to find it so I'm going to > > email him directly. > > I mix 5 gms with ~4 oz (1/2 cup) apple juice...that's sufficient > amount of > > apple juice for LA to go into solution. > > I like taking on an empty stomach as this facilitates LA movement into > > blood. All of my " tossing offs " are by cybersex which works very > well for > > me. I translate cyber dialogue between me and my partner into > > visual/tactile images/sensations. With a dynamic cyber partner, I like > > " edging " for 30 - 45 mins before explosive toss off. > > At bedtime I generally take 5 gms LA...this seems to > facilitate/promote my > > nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs)..I would rate my > NEs and > > PHs as equal to my sexual erections. The former are completely > > involuntary, programmed by our body for maintenance of our dick in good > > health. > > BTW, it's known now that women have analogous clitoral tumescence. > > There's an excellent, scholarly book, The Arginine Solution > > Fried, Ph.D. and Woodson C. Merrell, M.D. I bought my copy in 2000 from > > Amazon.com and paid S & H; last year, I wanted to give b/f copy so I > ordered > > from local bookseller and avoided S & H. > > Viagra does not work for me. I'm considering ordering some Cialis > as most > > of reports I've read have been positive. > > A member of Alt-Support-Impotence- ASI/ > > introduced us recently to Maca. So I jumped on bandwagon with vigor. I > > take 4 gms Maca powder/dy, Maca seems to make my dick and nuts > fuller and > > " hang " . > > At ASI there's a poll on Maca. > > In the closed poll section of > > Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/polls > > > > Have you seen an erectile improvement since taking maca? > > How much Maca do you take per day? > > How long were you on maca before you did see an improvement? > > What brand of Maca do you use or prefer? > > What form of Maca do you use? > > For me, I think that Maca and LA act synergistically. I take 4 gms > Maca > > powder/dy at one sitting....it's very user friendly....I just > sprinkle it > > over food. Orange marmalade on bagel or English muffin, soups, etc. > > In links section here I've created some folders on L-Arginine and Maca. > > Brad, bottom line on LA...just experiment...to find dose and > conditions that > > work best for you. > > Just my experiences..... > > Good luck, > > OR eon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oreon-l-arginine-V > > > > Oreon, > > > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? > > Do you notice an additive effect? > > > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes > > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > > l-arginine? > > > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Brad, What gives you idea that Cialis would not work for me if Viagra does not as you wrote below? Some posts from ASI - NG that I put in files section of....do you have some references for your assertions? I'm a " the glass is half full type guy " . To go into taking Calias with a mind set your attempting to project on me....I'll work to overcome it. OR eon I think that I have more but I want to get these back to you. Posted by Tom, Wednesday April 2nd '03 " I have used both. Viagra: Very hard erections Difficulty in reaching orgasm Cialis: Not quite as powerful erection Can reach orgasm more easily Lasts longer (about twenty hours) Both: Headache Backache " Posted by Simon Wednesday April 2nd, '03 " I have also used both. Viagra Blinding headaches Flushing of face Sight problems Little/ no effect to my cock Cialis Slight flushing No headaches Rock hard cock 'Dangle' much bigger for a day Oreon-l-arginine-V > > Oreon, > > Are you still using l-arginine? Do you use it with viagra or cialis? > Do you notice an additive effect? > > Are you still using the bulk powder? I understand l-arginine tastes > bad. Are you encapsulating it? What is your current regime for > l-arginine? > > Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Brad, I left off site where additional compilations from ASI - NG are posted...in files section of Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/ OR eon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I understood that both drugs work via the same mechanism, that's all. Brad > Brad, > > What gives you idea that Cialis would not work for me if Viagra does not as > you wrote below? > > Some posts from ASI - NG that I put in files section of....do you have some > references for your assertions? > > I'm a " the glass is half full type guy " . To go into taking Calias with a > mind set your attempting to project on me....I'll work to overcome it. > > OR eon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Brad, I try never to rain on anyone's parade! I knew better that what you posted was unfactual....as I had posts from men that had actually used both. I have more posts that I will dig out, that if memory serves me, are in same vein ....actually, I'm going to upload them here....they are in Word and I'll provide link for no charge, downloading, Word reader for members not having Word. OR eon Re: Oreon-l-arginine-V I understood that both drugs work via the same mechanism, that's all. Brad > Brad, > > What gives you idea that Cialis would not work for me if Viagra does not as > you wrote below? > > Some posts from ASI - NG that I put in files section of....do you have some > references for your assertions? > > I'm a " the glass is half full type guy " . To go into taking Calias with a > mind set your attempting to project on me....I'll work to overcome it. > > OR eon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I know exactly what you mean about sex being a hard labor. For me, getting my t level right cleared that up. I expect a success or two will dislodge whatever psychologic issues exist (if any). I don't know about the clearance time for hcg. Since the protocols seem to call for several doses per week, I would guess the answer is a matter of days. I wouldn't worry about anyway. I don't think hCG would interfere with the effect of clomid much if at all. Should clomid prove inadequate, you could retry hCG. Perhaps you will acclimate to the drug with repeated use. Since continuing to produce testosterone endogenously is important to you, you might switch brands of hCG to see if that makes a difference. Failing that, I would keep an open mind about exogenous testosterone. Androgel might give a more stable, predictable t level than hCG. Yes, you will likely have impaired fertility. You may lose some testicle size. But they aren't going to drop off. You can still discontinue the AG if it doesn't seem worth it. Brad > > I'd try pushing the t dose a little more. I don't > > advocate using more > > t than one needs, but if you need a higher level > > then you need it. > > > > I tapered my dose down to the lowest t level that > > still maintains my > > libido. It's still a fairly hefty number though. > > > > I had zero libido/erections at 415ng/dl. > > > > Brad > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Brad, Surely with all the Promo/PR about Cialis you can easily find a reference to your statement that might benefit all of us. OR eon Re: Oreon-l-arginine-V I understood that both drugs work via the same mechanism, that's all. Brad > Brad, > > What gives you idea that Cialis would not work for me if Viagra does not as > you wrote below? > > Some posts from ASI - NG that I put in files section of....do you have some > references for your assertions? > > I'm a " the glass is half full type guy " . To go into taking Calias with a > mind set your attempting to project on me....I'll work to overcome it. > > OR eon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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