Re: Newguy gets blood tests back

[Guest guest]

What about LH and FSH? Those are pretty important, they will tell

whether your hypo is primary or secondary.

Armyguy

> And met with my Endo today.

> I have $500 in blood work, he ordered everything, total metabolic,

> bone density, T, E, etc. and I asked for a copy of it and here are

> some numbers:

>

> CBC Screen(Hemogram) RBC mine 4.77 (range 4.8-6.2) low end of

> range and I have no clue what RBC is?

>

> From the Comprehensive Metabolic panel:

> glucose: mine 121 range 70-109 so I am high, above the range

> BUN mine 25 range 7-18 I am above range, what is BUN?

>

> Sensitive TSH mine .72 range .35-5.5 what is TSH?

>

> Free T4 mine 1.0 range .8-1.8 guess ok here

>

> Total Testosterone mine 203 range 210-820 pretty low

>

> Estradiol, Serum mine 23 range 0-52 no idea if ok

>

> Estriol, Serum mine less than .1 range .2 or less?

>

> Estrogens, serum total mine 130 range 130 or less?

>

> Estrone mine 32 says adult mail range 15-65 ok?

>

> Insulin like growth factor mine 143 range 90-360

> _______________________________________________________

> My endo said my testosterone was quite low, taking 5mg androgel a

> day now, he said my estrogen was ok. I talked to him about my

> desire to increase sex drive, more testosterone he said, and to

> increase ease of orgasm and ejaculate volume ,which is very low

now

> and seems would be a great thing to increase it. So, he is

working

> up a plan to put me on a compounded cream for the testosterone,

> along with HCG to encourage my testicles to produce on their own,

> I told him we needed, from this board, to also get me on a anti

> estrogen treatment to counteract the HCG. He said he need about a

> week to contact and research my particular needs, as apparently my

> hypo is somewhat unique to him personally.

> Appreciate any comments you all might have

> Thanks guys, I am learning a lot here

> Nort828

[Guest guest]

> What about LH and FSH? Those are pretty important, they will tell

> whether your hypo is primary or secondary.

>

> Armyguy

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Armguy, I am looking at the report and the only other things I can

see is a Sensitive TSH mine at .72 range .35-5.5

maybe he did not order it because he already knew?

I had to have growth shots to induce puberty at 21, and been on

depotestosterone for the past 32 years. He says my brain never sent

a message.

nort828

[Guest guest]

Ok yes, well you should let us know that! .

Yes, no point in checking your LH and FSH, they are going to be non

existent so don't bother.

I personally don't think HCG is going to do anything for you, I

would guess that your leydig cells no longer function and that your

body is no longer capable of producing testosterone after 32 years

in the 'off' position. I suppose that it won't hurt to try though.

Your T level is WAY to low, you need a serious increase in dose. Get

your T level up in the 800+ range on a constant basis, and that

should take care of allot of your sex drive problems. Personally, I

would recommend the shots over compound cream, that would be my

preference. But with the shots, you need to watch your estradiol

levels, with the compound cream not as much. Just from personal

experience, I did not find that the compound cream was effective

enough to make me feel really good. Maybe it will work for you, but

make sure you get your levels 800+ on a consistent basis. That is a

healthy level and there is no reason not to get it up there. Less

and you won't feel the positive benefits. At your current level

there is no way you should feel good. It is just not nearly enough.

Get your level way up, and get on with your life.

Cheers,

Armyguy

> > What about LH and FSH? Those are pretty important, they will

tell

> > whether your hypo is primary or secondary.

> >

> > Armyguy

> _____________________

> Armguy, I am looking at the report and the only other things I can

> see is a Sensitive TSH mine at .72 range .35-5.5

>

> maybe he did not order it because he already knew?

> I had to have growth shots to induce puberty at 21, and been on

> depotestosterone for the past 32 years. He says my brain never

sent

> a message.

> nort828

[Guest guest]

IMHO, do not automatically run to an anti-E. Right now, it looks

like your E is fine. I think the best advice would be to keep on top

of your E and if it gets too high, then you may want to consider an

anti-E.

The idea is to get a balance of the hormones. Baby steps. One thing

at a time. Good Luck

> And met with my Endo today.

> I have $500 in blood work, he ordered everything, total metabolic,

> bone density, T, E, etc. and I asked for a copy of it and here are

> some numbers:

>

> CBC Screen(Hemogram) RBC mine 4.77 (range 4.8-6.2) low end of

> range and I have no clue what RBC is?

>

> From the Comprehensive Metabolic panel:

> glucose: mine 121 range 70-109 so I am high, above the range

> BUN mine 25 range 7-18 I am above range, what is BUN?

>

> Sensitive TSH mine .72 range .35-5.5 what is TSH?

>

> Free T4 mine 1.0 range .8-1.8 guess ok here

>

> Total Testosterone mine 203 range 210-820 pretty low

>

> Estradiol, Serum mine 23 range 0-52 no idea if ok

>

> Estriol, Serum mine less than .1 range .2 or less?

>

> Estrogens, serum total mine 130 range 130 or less?

>

> Estrone mine 32 says adult mail range 15-65 ok?

>

> Insulin like growth factor mine 143 range 90-360

> _______________________________________________________

> My endo said my testosterone was quite low, taking 5mg androgel a

> day now, he said my estrogen was ok. I talked to him about my

> desire to increase sex drive, more testosterone he said, and to

> increase ease of orgasm and ejaculate volume ,which is very low now

> and seems would be a great thing to increase it. So, he is working

> up a plan to put me on a compounded cream for the testosterone,

> along with HCG to encourage my testicles to produce on their own,

> I told him we needed, from this board, to also get me on a anti

> estrogen treatment to counteract the HCG. He said he need about a

> week to contact and research my particular needs, as apparently my

> hypo is somewhat unique to him personally.

> Appreciate any comments you all might have

> Thanks guys, I am learning a lot here

> Nort828

[Guest guest]

>From: " nort828 " <nort828@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Newguy gets blood tests back

>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:54:56 -0000

>

>And met with my Endo today.

>I have $500 in blood work, he ordered everything, total metabolic,

>bone density, T, E, etc. and I asked for a copy of it and here are

>some numbers:

>

>CBC Screen(Hemogram) RBC mine 4.77 (range 4.8-6.2) low end of

>range and I have no clue what RBC is?

Red Blood Cell Count: if the rest of your erythrocytic parameters

(hematocrit, MCV, etc.) are OK, I'd not sweat it.

>

>From the Comprehensive Metabolic panel:

>glucose: mine 121 range 70-109 so I am high, above the range

Yes- not good. Could be insulin insensitivity/metabolic

syndrome/pre-diabetes.

>BUN mine 25 range 7-18 I am above range, what is BUN?

Blood urea nitrogen: can be high if you are dehydrated or have high protein

intake or catabolism.

>Sensitive TSH mine .72 range .35-5.5 what is TSH?

Thyroid stimulating hormone.

>

>Free T4 mine 1.0 range .8-1.8 guess ok here

>

>Total Testosterone mine 203 range 210-820 pretty low

>

>Estradiol, Serum mine 23 range 0-52 no idea if ok

>

>Estriol, Serum mine less than .1 range .2 or less?

>

>Estrogens, serum total mine 130 range 130 or less?

>

>Estrone mine 32 says adult mail range 15-65 ok?

>

>Insulin like growth factor mine 143 range 90-360

>_______________________________________________________

>My endo said my testosterone was quite low, taking 5mg androgel a

>day now, he said my estrogen was ok. I talked to him about my

>desire to increase sex drive, more testosterone he said, and to

>increase ease of orgasm and ejaculate volume ,which is very low now

>and seems would be a great thing to increase it. So, he is working

>up a plan to put me on a compounded cream for the testosterone,

>along with HCG to encourage my testicles to produce on their own,

>I told him we needed, from this board, to also get me on a anti

>estrogen treatment to counteract the HCG. He said he need about a

>week to contact and research my particular needs, as apparently my

>hypo is somewhat unique to him personally.

>Appreciate any comments you all might have

>Thanks guys, I am learning a lot here

>Nort828

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