RE: Low testosterone levels

May 31, 2004

I think that injectible testosterone would be among the cheapest

alternatives for an uninsured man.

Brad

> Hello Everyone,

> My name is Mark and Im 48 yrs old, married with no children and one

> cat. I have been sterile for 35 years due to the mumps at the age of

> 13. I was on Methytestosterone for many many years, doctors come and

> go and I was basically lost in the cracks. I went to my local doctor

> and she prescribed Android for me at 10 mgs per day, then I lost my

> job in 2001 because of a left knee replacement and a totally shot

> right knee, the state of Michigan stepped in and is sending me to

> college. I am almost finished with my associates degree, but in

> those last three years I have not had any medication for my problem.

> My wife works to pay the bills and I stay home and go to college. We

> dont have any insurance, and any extra money we do have goes for

> groceries or gasoline for the car. Im interested in finding a

> medicine I can take that doesnt cost a lot. Any information you all

> can give me would be greatly appreciated. In addition to my knees

> being shot, my shoulders are incredibly painful. The job I used to

> work at was very repetitive, but that was only to the right shoulder

> and not the left. I can only reach out a bit with my left arm and it

> freezes up. I sleep on my left side but now have to sleep on my

> back. I take four ibs a night to bear the pain. My sex life isnt

> great, its not even that close. My wife and I rarely have sex and

> havent had sex in the last nine months. Its a boredom problem but

> also no erection problem too. I left a message on webmd.com and Phil

> answered my message and here I am. Thanks so much Phil for coming to

> the aid of a comrade.

May 31, 2004

Thanks so much for replying to my message, Can I go to my local doctor and

arrange this kind of med? or do I need to find a doc in my area? I have another

very personal question to ask, but im not sure if I can ask it there. Kudos ~

Mark

mfb178 <mfb178@...> wrote:

> > Hello Everyone,

> > My name is Mark and Im 48 yrs old, married with no children and

one

> > cat. I have been sterile for 35 years due to the mumps at the age

of

> > 13. I was on Methytestosterone for many many years, doctors come

and

> > go and I was basically lost in the cracks. I went to my local

doctor

> > and she prescribed Android for me at 10 mgs per day, then I lost

my

> > job in 2001 because of a left knee replacement and a totally shot

> > right knee, the state of Michigan stepped in and is sending me to

> > college. I am almost finished with my associates degree, but in

> > those last three years I have not had any medication for my

problem.

> > My wife works to pay the bills and I stay home and go to college.

We

> > dont have any insurance, and any extra money we do have goes for

> > groceries or gasoline for the car. Im interested in finding a

> > medicine I can take that doesnt cost a lot. Any information you

all

> > can give me would be greatly appreciated. In addition to my knees

> > being shot, my shoulders are incredibly painful. The job I used

to

> > work at was very repetitive, but that was only to the right

shoulder

> > and not the left. I can only reach out a bit with my left arm and

it

> > freezes up. I sleep on my left side but now have to sleep on my

> > back. I take four ibs a night to bear the pain. My sex life isnt

> > great, its not even that close. My wife and I rarely have sex and

> > havent had sex in the last nine months. Its a boredom problem but

> > also no erection problem too. I left a message on webmd.com and

Phil

> > answered my message and here I am. Thanks so much Phil for coming

to

> > the aid of a comrade.

May 31, 2004

Any doctor CAN provide the prescrition the trick, usually, is finding

one who WILL.

Brad

> > > Hello Everyone,

> > > My name is Mark and Im 48 yrs old, married with no children and

> one

> > > cat. I have been sterile for 35 years due to the mumps at the age

> of

> > > 13. I was on Methytestosterone for many many years, doctors come

> and

> > > go and I was basically lost in the cracks. I went to my local

> doctor

> > > and she prescribed Android for me at 10 mgs per day, then I lost

> my

> > > job in 2001 because of a left knee replacement and a totally shot

> > > right knee, the state of Michigan stepped in and is sending me to

> > > college. I am almost finished with my associates degree, but in

> > > those last three years I have not had any medication for my

> problem.

> > > My wife works to pay the bills and I stay home and go to college.

> We

> > > dont have any insurance, and any extra money we do have goes for

> > > groceries or gasoline for the car. Im interested in finding a

> > > medicine I can take that doesnt cost a lot. Any information you

> all

> > > can give me would be greatly appreciated. In addition to my knees

> > > being shot, my shoulders are incredibly painful. The job I used

> to

> > > work at was very repetitive, but that was only to the right

> shoulder

> > > and not the left. I can only reach out a bit with my left arm and

> it

> > > freezes up. I sleep on my left side but now have to sleep on my

> > > back. I take four ibs a night to bear the pain. My sex life isnt

> > > great, its not even that close. My wife and I rarely have sex and

> > > havent had sex in the last nine months. Its a boredom problem but

> > > also no erection problem too. I left a message on webmd.com and

> Phil

> > > answered my message and here I am. Thanks so much Phil for coming

> to

> > > the aid of a comrade.

>

May 31, 2004

Hi Mark,

Life can get a lot better for you in all respects with proper

hormone therapy.

For cost efficiency and treatment effectiveness, I would recommend

either:

a) Weekly testosterone cypionate shots of at least 100mg per week.

These can be taken as intra muscular shots in the butt area or sub q

shots in the stomach fat (easier to do and just as effective). The

only problem with this treatment ist hat it may cause your estrogen

to go up. If that happens, you might need arimidex to help manage

taht problem, and unfortunately arimidex is relatively expensive.

Luckily though, you don't need much arimidex to keep your estradiol

in check, so T Cyp shots with the possible addition of arimidex is

deifnitely an option worth considering.

Testosterone pellets. These are a few hundred dollars every four

months. Might sound like a lot of money, but for something that will

completely change your life in a positive way, it is worth the money.

You may have very little money, but the fact of the matter is that

your earning potential and employability will be much higher if you

have a healthy feeling body and are sharp of mind. I highly

recommend you do what you have to do and get on one of the

treatments above.

Armyguy

> Hello Everyone,

> My name is Mark and Im 48 yrs old, married with no children and

one

> cat. I have been sterile for 35 years due to the mumps at the age

of

> 13. I was on Methytestosterone for many many years, doctors come

and

> go and I was basically lost in the cracks. I went to my local

doctor

> and she prescribed Android for me at 10 mgs per day, then I lost

my

> job in 2001 because of a left knee replacement and a totally shot

> right knee, the state of Michigan stepped in and is sending me to

> college. I am almost finished with my associates degree, but in

> those last three years I have not had any medication for my

problem.

> My wife works to pay the bills and I stay home and go to college.

We

> dont have any insurance, and any extra money we do have goes for

> groceries or gasoline for the car. Im interested in finding a

> medicine I can take that doesnt cost a lot. Any information you

all

> can give me would be greatly appreciated. In addition to my knees

> being shot, my shoulders are incredibly painful. The job I used to

> work at was very repetitive, but that was only to the right

shoulder

> and not the left. I can only reach out a bit with my left arm and

it

> freezes up. I sleep on my left side but now have to sleep on my

> back. I take four ibs a night to bear the pain. My sex life isnt

> great, its not even that close. My wife and I rarely have sex and

> havent had sex in the last nine months. Its a boredom problem but

> also no erection problem too. I left a message on webmd.com and

Phil

> answered my message and here I am. Thanks so much Phil for coming

to

> the aid of a comrade.

June 1, 2004

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:14:20 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>Hi Mark and Welcome I am here is MI also I live in Rochester Hills. I have

seen posts here that have something to do with people that could not afford

there meds. I can't remember what it was. Someone here will have an answer.

There was a post that the makers of Androgel have a program for those

who can't afford it. I don't know how they determine who qualifies,

but it'd be worth investigating.

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February 23, 2005

Were " bioavailable testosterone " and Estrogen/Estradiol levels measured

as well?

My endo seems to think low total testosterone is okay if the

bioavailable level is in normal range.

Low testosterone levels

I just had my blood tested for testosterone levels. They told me it

was 291 (ref 241-827). I'm scheduled to have it checked again to

see if it is still low. I'm 42 years old. From what I've read, at

my age it should be about 600 instead of 291. I'm a little nervous

about the whole thing and am hoping that the first one was just a

fluke. If it is still low, then what? I've read about HRT, but

really would rather not have to do that since there seems to be many

side effects that don't sound too great (lowered fertility, decrease

in testicle size, etc.) I suppose my question is how safe is it?

Also, is the benefit worth the risk? Are there other natural ways

(that work) to increase testosterone? Anyway, I will have to wait

for the results of the next test. Just wondering if others have

gone through this and how they dealt with it. Thanks, Dan

February 23, 2005

If your total T is average but your free T or bioavailable T is in the upper

third of the range I suppose that might work. However a man with a reading

of 291 has a long way to go to get up toward 600-700 where health occurs. If

he had a total T reading of 550 or 600 and his free or bioavailable were in

the upper third of those ranges then there might be a reason to leave it

alone but that does not appear to be the case here. Those factors help

around the edges a little but you cant create T where there is none overall.

Winter

>My endo seems to think low total testosterone is okay if the

>bioavailable level is in normal range.

>

> Low testosterone levels

>

>I just had my blood tested for testosterone levels. They told me it

>was 291 (ref 241-827). I'm scheduled to have it checked again to

>see if it is still low. I'm 42 years old. From what I've read, at

>my age it should be about 600 instead of 291. I'm a little nervous

>about the whole thing and am hoping that the first one was just a

>fluke. If it is still low, then what? I've read about HRT, but

>really would rather not have to do that since there seems to be many

>side effects that don't sound too great (lowered fertility, decrease

>in testicle size, etc.) I suppose my question is how safe is it?

>Also, is the benefit worth the risk? Are there other natural ways

>(that work) to increase testosterone? Anyway, I will have to wait

>for the results of the next test. Just wondering if others have

>gone through this and how they dealt with it. Thanks, Dan

>

February 23, 2005

I was Total T of 281 (range 350 - 1030 normal) and Bioavailable T of 169

(normal range of 95 - 350) last October when my endo pronounced me not

in need of HRT. I didn't buy it and that's why I contacted Dr. .

Of course, this is the same endo who put me into almost-suicidal

depression by undertreating my thyroid levels after I had that gland

removed. Amazing what not getting enough thyroid hormone does to your

entire system.