Re: Total Testosterone dropped Here I Go Again

[Guest guest]

I seem to have this problem with my T. levels dropping for no

reason yesterday I thought I was just having a bad day I felt

rundown and crabby. Today I am feeling the effects of my T level

falling I am really dragging my ass, my joints hurt and I have that

down feeling. Here I though getting my E2 down was the answer to

keeping my levels up. I don't have any symptoms of low E2 my libido

is way up and everything is working down there just to rundown to

use it. This has been going on since I started on TRT just out of

the blue my levels start going down. Come to think of it this

started when I went off the patch and on Androgel. I am not going

to do shots on top of Testim again I am thinking about using more

Testim anyone know about using more the 10 grams. I am at a loss as

to what to do. I have to take care of my Mother in Law she is 84

and like a mother to me. And today I am having a real hard time

getting off my ass.

Phil

> I just came home from the Dr.'s and my Total T dropped from 942 to

> 608 ng/dL. My E2 (Estradiol) dropped also from 42.5 to <20 I

asked

> for a accurate reading but did not get it so how far below 20 I am

> is not known And last but not least my Free T. came down from to

> high 37.2 to 26.1 range 8.8 -27 for a 20 to 39 year old. As for

my

> age the range is 7.2 to 23.

> In the past I have never felt good this low on Total T. But we did

> not know about E2. So am I ok or am I going to have trouble. I

> feel a little fatigued but not bad. I have two bad disks in my

> lower back and have been working around the house and this has

> caused me to have a lot of pain. The work needs to get done. It

> could be the stress of my back hearting. Or with E2 down I can

get

> by on lower numbers. What do you all think. When I was at the

Dr.

> last month and my levels on E2 went from 24 to 42.5 I was taking

> a .5 Arimidex once a week. About 3 week ago my nipples starting

> getting hard and sore so I upped the Arimidex to .5 mg. two time

per

> week. And this has me to low. So now my Dr. said to take .5 mg

> every 5th. day.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Dang. I've had that happen, and I'm not sure why. I'm hoping

pellets & E2 management reduce chances of relapse into

exhaustion, but only time will tell.

My GUESS is that overexertion or stress burns up T. Is anything

like that happening with you? Your mother-in-law responsibilities

come to mind. Your back pain could easily be a big factor. I had a

back injury in 2002 that was painful for 4 months, it made me

tired and miserable. I wouldn't be surprised if that burned up T.

I've also felt bad (with the " Here I Go Again " feeling), then

discovered it was the start of coming down with a cold or

infection.

Hang in there,

Bruce

[Guest guest]

a) Maybe your E2 is too low.

HAve you considered pellets? They sound like a very effective

treatment for primary hypo.

Armyguy

> > I just came home from the Dr.'s and my Total T dropped from 942

to

> > 608 ng/dL. My E2 (Estradiol) dropped also from 42.5 to <20 I

> asked

> > for a accurate reading but did not get it so how far below 20 I

am

> > is not known And last but not least my Free T. came down from

to

> > high 37.2 to 26.1 range 8.8 -27 for a 20 to 39 year old. As for

> my

> > age the range is 7.2 to 23.

> > In the past I have never felt good this low on Total T. But we

did

> > not know about E2. So am I ok or am I going to have trouble. I

> > feel a little fatigued but not bad. I have two bad disks in my

> > lower back and have been working around the house and this has

> > caused me to have a lot of pain. The work needs to get done.

It

> > could be the stress of my back hearting. Or with E2 down I can

> get

> > by on lower numbers. What do you all think. When I was at the

> Dr.

> > last month and my levels on E2 went from 24 to 42.5 I was taking

> > a .5 Arimidex once a week. About 3 week ago my nipples starting

> > getting hard and sore so I upped the Arimidex to .5 mg. two time

> per

> > week. And this has me to low. So now my Dr. said to take .5 mg

> > every 5th. day.

> > Phil

[Guest guest]

" 20% T for the same amount of AndroGel " ?!

Where did you get that information? I'd like to look it over.

Every report I've heard about Testim shows that it has higher levels

per dose than AndroGel. There's even a head-to-head study that shows

30% more T with Testim. That's why I'm on it! In fact, a physician

named Andre Guay (an endocrinologist in Mass) showed me a stack of

charts (must have been about 70 men) whose levels all improved on

Testim at the same dose when he switched them from AndroGel. I'd say

that maybe I'm wrong, but how can he be wrong with that level of

experience? Show me the data. Please!

>

> >I don't know if it is the same for everyone but my hubby had a real

hard time

> >when we tried to up his Testim from 10mg to 15. He got major joint

pains and

> >he elbow " blew out " .

>

>

> That's an awful lot of testim. Testim delivers about 20% T for the

> same amount as Andro gel. I do 10 g's of androgel and my total is

> about 1100.

>

> I wonder if his E was up too high. Was it tested?

[Guest guest]

Perhaps he meant to say 20% MORE T.

Brad

> >

> > >I don't know if it is the same for everyone but my hubby had a real

> hard time

> > >when we tried to up his Testim from 10mg to 15. He got major joint

> pains and

> > >he elbow " blew out " .

> >

> >

> > That's an awful lot of testim. Testim delivers about 20% T for the

> > same amount as Andro gel. I do 10 g's of androgel and my total is

> > about 1100.

> >

> > I wonder if his E was up too high. Was it tested?