Re: Want to add HCG to the mix

[Guest guest]

I have iron overload. I caught my cause relatively early on (ferritin = 812).

There is a chance that my hypo will go away once my ferritin is below 10 and

if I use HCG and/or Clomid. I found a few studies with positive results.

It sounds like you have low iron? If so, I don't know anything about that.

Best,

In a message dated 4/6/2004 11:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

retrogrouch@... writes:

I've not heard of iron caused hypo-g being reversed. If you know

something there, please let me know. I suspect mine is iron related. I

had a stomach bleed drop my hematocrit to 32, and they put me on iron,

6 months later had osteopenia and was breaking ribs. (Though it took

them two more years to find out.)

[Guest guest]

After adding HCG should I drop my T injections from 200 to 100?

In a message dated 4/6/2004 10:54:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

no_reply writes:

Use small doses, not large doses to add t to your body. This will

get your testicles producing the T.

Absolute sky high max you would want to consider is 1 cc 3 times a

week. But you would get a benefit from as low as .2 cc 3 times a

week. You need to watch your estradiol while on HCG.

Read the archives of this forum for good info on HCG.

Armyguy

[Guest guest]

Use small doses, not large doses to add t to your body. This will

get your testicles producing the T.

Absolute sky high max you would want to consider is 1 cc 3 times a

week. But you would get a benefit from as low as .2 cc 3 times a

week. You need to watch your estradiol while on HCG.

Read the archives of this forum for good info on HCG.

Armyguy

> I am currently on 200mg Depo shots every other week. I have

secondary

> hypo as a result of iron overload. There is a chance my condition

> will reverse but obviously not while I am on T.

>

> I want to add T to my regime. I have come across studies that show

> large doses of HCG can really do wonders. My endo has been open-

> minded. She is far from expert on all of this.

>

> Any ideas on the best way to add HCG to the mix? I would be

> interested in cutting back on T and substituting HCG.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:56:10 -0000, you wrote:

>I am currently on 200mg Depo shots every other week. I have secondary

>hypo as a result of iron overload. There is a chance my condition

>will reverse but obviously not while I am on T.

I've not heard of iron caused hypo-g being reversed. If you know

something there, please let me know. I suspect mine is iron related. I

had a stomach bleed drop my hematocrit to 32, and they put me on iron,

6 months later had osteopenia and was breaking ribs. (Though it took

them two more years to find out.)

[Guest guest]

You may want to consider going to T shots once a week (100mg) and

then adding a 250iu shot of HCG on the day before and the day of your

test shot. Try this first. But, don't use over 500iu of HCG per

shot. Otherwise there is a greater chance of aromatisation and

possible decensitivity of the leydig cells.

> > I am currently on 200mg Depo shots every other week. I have

> secondary

> > hypo as a result of iron overload. There is a chance my condition

> > will reverse but obviously not while I am on T.

> >

> > I want to add T to my regime. I have come across studies that

show

> > large doses of HCG can really do wonders. My endo has been open-

> > minded. She is far from expert on all of this.

> >

> > Any ideas on the best way to add HCG to the mix? I would be

> > interested in cutting back on T and substituting HCG.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For some people, those who catch it early enough, iron related hypogonadism

is reversible.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abst

ract & list_uids=6435491

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abst

ract & list_uids=8334747

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abst

ract & list_uids=1401747

I have also seen a study where HCG was used to reverse the 2ndary hypo.

Best,

In a message dated 4/7/2004 1:30:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

retrogrouch@... writes:

No it got low from a stomach bleed and the treatment shoved it too

high.

I don't want to be a downer, but Greenspan and Baxter's ENdocrinology

text says high iron hypogonadism is not reversible on dropping

ferritin levels. I'd love to see them proved wrong.

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 00:23:12 EDT, you wrote:

>I have iron overload. I caught my cause relatively early on (ferritin = 812).

>There is a chance that my hypo will go away once my ferritin is below 10 and

>if I use HCG and/or Clomid. I found a few studies with positive results.

>

>It sounds like you have low iron? If so, I don't know anything about that.

No it got low from a stomach bleed and the treatment shoved it too

high.

I don't want to be a downer, but Greenspan and Baxter's ENdocrinology

text says high iron hypogonadism is not reversible on dropping

ferritin levels. I'd love to see them proved wrong.

>In a message dated 4/6/2004 11:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>retrogrouch@... writes:

>I've not heard of iron caused hypo-g being reversed. If you know

>something there, please let me know. I suspect mine is iron related. I

>had a stomach bleed drop my hematocrit to 32, and they put me on iron,

>6 months later had osteopenia and was breaking ribs. (Though it took

>them two more years to find out.)

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:28:20 EDT, you wrote:

>For some people, those who catch it early enough, iron related hypogonadism

>is reversible.

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

If you have iron overload you need a full cardiology workup. I got an EKG and

a Cardio-Gram (sp?). You should also have a nerve conduction test. The Dr.'s

might not want to do it, but you should find someone who will. Cardiomyopathy

is a huge problem with iron overload as is nerve damage. Get your baselines.

Let me know if you try the HCG or Clomid. Let me know what doses, etc.

Thanks,

In a message dated 4/8/2004 6:07:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

retrogrouch@... writes:

>For some people, those who catch it early enough, iron related hypogonadism

>is reversible.

Thank you!