Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 spyder, Not to alarm you, but usually normal or low-normal levels of FSH and LH indicate Secondary hypogonadism, not testicular failure!! If your testicles not longer respond, pituitary levels should be elevated - your brain would be screaming at your balls to get to work! If I were you, I would get a second opinion. Read the AACE guidelines in the " links " section of the forum and take it with you when you see a specialist. You'll need to go off T for a month to 6 weeks before seeing the new MD so your labs will be accurate. Regards, K4 > Hi, > I'm 20 years old and I'm on trt and have been for about a year. My > doctor and I are pretty sure that my T is low because of testicular > failure. We checked all the pituitary levels and everything was > normal. Just low T. I think it's because I got kicked in the > testicles pretty hard when I was twelve. I couldn't move for about > four hours and I was black n blue for about two weeks. With this > info. My testicles have atrophied after being on the TRT for so long. > Now my concern is about testicular cancer. With them more or less > just sittin there doing nothing am I at increased risk for cancer. If > so what are my options. Any suggestions or feedback would be > appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Fred, what you are now describing - testicular atrophy - is completely different from testicular feminization. If there isn't some underlying genetic or metabolic problem, you should respond very well to testosterone. That means that your penis should grow to adult size, and you should develop normally as an adult. It would also mean that you are going to undergo puberty at an advanced age. > I am 24 yrs old and having the same problum per-say. Could you please e-mail me at > stroutfred@e... How has testiclularatrophy effected your sexual development. > I my case I was born with only one testicle and the remaining one atrophyed leaving me > with the sexual development of a 12-13 yr old. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 If you want your testicles to grow, inject HCG for a week every 5 to 10 weeks. That will keep your testicles in shape. > Hi, > I'm 20 years old and I'm on trt and have been for about a year. My > doctor and I are pretty sure that my T is low because of testicular > failure. We checked all the pituitary levels and everything was > normal. Just low T. I think it's because I got kicked in the > testicles pretty hard when I was twelve. I couldn't move for about > four hours and I was black n blue for about two weeks. With this > info. My testicles have atrophied after being on the TRT for so long. > Now my concern is about testicular cancer. With them more or less > just sittin there doing nothing am I at increased risk for cancer. If > so what are my options. Any suggestions or feedback would be > appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Hi Ron are you on Testosterone Meds. If not you don't want to fool with this Hcg or Testosterone unless you get tested and find out you are low. Read message #14939 at the bottom of the artical is some info on Hcg. And read this link. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Phil, Thanks for your rapid response. I am not on any medications other than some antidepressants and some oxycontin - I have a very old spinal cord injury. I was tested about two years ago and my testosterone was said to be low. I do not remember the figure. I did try the patch and weekly testosterone injections but I did not feel that they increased my libido or my ejaculate. Ron Hines DVM PhD http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm Re: Testicular atrophy Hi Ron are you on Testosterone Meds. If not you don't want to fool with this Hcg or Testosterone unless you get tested and find out you are low. Read message #14939 at the bottom of the artical is some info on Hcg. And read this link. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I'm pretty sure a vasectomy should NOT have caused atrophy (shrinkage) of your testicles indicating hypogonadism. If Testosterone does drop after a vasectomy I think it's more likely due to extra-ordinary trauma from the surgery not the cutting of the vasa deferentia itself. Did you have the same doctor reverse your vasectomy? The reason why I ask is that it would be interesting to hear what the reversing doctor said about what he saw when he reversed it. Was there a mistake made by the first doctor or any noticeable extra-ordinary trauma? Just something to ask if you can. As far as I know having less ejaculate could be characteristic of hypogonadism (it's been so long that I've been Hypogonadal I don't know what's normal anymore). I would imagine that some reduction in ejaculate is possible but I'm not sure it would be noticeable because I think 99% of ejaculate is semen from the prostate and not sperm from the testicles (not sure about that percentage but I think it may be close). If there was damage, or a mistake by your doctor, done in the surgery your Testosterone production could have been compromised. You can easily find out by doing a few tests. First review the symptoms of hypogonadism to see if you have any of them. In your case if it was the result of the surgery you Testosterone levels would have dropped quickly. You probably would have had symptoms like hot flashes, fatigue and all those related to a fast drop in Testosterone levels, as well as some, or all, of the other symptoms of hypogonadism like mental fog, difficulty concentrating, anxiety, depression, decreased libido or erectile dysfunction, testicular atrophy, and more. I don't know how long someone must have hypogonadism before these other symptoms occur but the longer the hypogonadal state the more likely they are to appear. Having symptoms is not specific enough for a diagnosis but they help in diagnosing when other tests are done that indicate hypogonadism. Second, I would ask your doctor (that is if you trust them, if not go to a different doctor) about the symptoms you described here like testicular atrophy and reduced ejaculate. The first tests done in looking into a diagnosis of hypogonadism is Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone. If either of those are low (especially Free Testosterone and even if low-normal) you should have those test repeated with the addition of testing LH and FSH at a minimum. If Total T and Free T are again low and LH and FSH come back high, which would be expected if the surgery did damage to your testicles, then you would likely have primary hypogonadism caused by the surgery. If they come back normal then your problem isn't related to hypogonadism. I will say that testicular atrophy does indicate that it could be possible though. Anyhow, I'd check those things out and let us know what you find out. If I've missed something I'm sure someone on this board will correct my omission or mistake as the case may be. About going on hCG: I get the sense that you have not been diagnosed yet with hypogonadism and is why I suggested the above directions. The reason for this is that you don't want to take hCG unless you have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. There are some issues that cam arise with unnecessary hCG treatment that you don't want. You want to be sure of your diagnosis before starting any therapy. Use of hCG can stimulate testicular function but it's effectiveness depends on the nature and extent of any damage to your testicles. Some people with no testicular function take hCG but not to stimulate their testicles, I believe it's for other physiological processes in the body. You desire seems to return size and function to your testies which may or may not be possible with hCG depending on your clinical situation. You need to find out if you have hypogonadism first and what is causing it if possible. Only then should you start a treatment with hormones, IMO. P.S. I'm not in the medical profession so please make sure you consult your trusted licensed medical professional. These comments are just based on my experience and knowledge on the subject. Good luck to you! > My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help > Ron > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 > My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. It might. Are there other medications that might? HMG (an FSH replacement) might provide additional benefit but it is expensive. I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help > Ron > I don't know what doses would be required. I expect requirements would vary considerably from individual to individual. The prescribing info includes the following observation: Selected cases of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in males. 1. 500 to 1,000 USP Units three times a week for three weeks, followed by the same dose twice a week for three weeks. 2. 4,000 USP Units three times weekly for six to nine months, following which the dosage may be reduced to 2,000 USP Units three times weekly for an additional three months. I suggest starting with the more conservative dose. The prescribing info calls for IM administration but the drug is known to be effective subcutaneously. Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Thanks axon, I am blocking these messages like crazy into a Word Document so I can ruminate over them for a few weeks as I learn a bit about the subject. I am amazingly dum on this subject. Ron Hines DVM PhD http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm Re: Testicular atrophy I'm pretty sure a vasectomy should NOT have caused atrophy (shrinkage) of your testicles indicating hypogonadism. If Testosterone does drop after a vasectomy I think it's more likely due to extra-ordinary trauma from the surgery not the cutting of the vasa deferentia itself. Did you have the same doctor reverse your vasectomy? The reason why I ask is that it would be interesting to hear what the reversing doctor said about what he saw when he reversed it. Was there a mistake made by the first doctor or any noticeable extra-ordinary trauma? Just something to ask if you can. As far as I know having less ejaculate could be characteristic of hypogonadism (it's been so long that I've been Hypogonadal I don't know what's normal anymore). I would imagine that some reduction in ejaculate is possible but I'm not sure it would be noticeable because I think 99% of ejaculate is semen from the prostate and not sperm from the testicles (not sure about that percentage but I think it may be close). If there was damage, or a mistake by your doctor, done in the surgery your Testosterone production could have been compromised. You can easily find out by doing a few tests. First review the symptoms of hypogonadism to see if you have any of them. In your case if it was the result of the surgery you Testosterone levels would have dropped quickly. You probably would have had symptoms like hot flashes, fatigue and all those related to a fast drop in Testosterone levels, as well as some, or all, of the other symptoms of hypogonadism like mental fog, difficulty concentrating, anxiety, depression, decreased libido or erectile dysfunction, testicular atrophy, and more. I don't know how long someone must have hypogonadism before these other symptoms occur but the longer the hypogonadal state the more likely they are to appear. Having symptoms is not specific enough for a diagnosis but they help in diagnosing when other tests are done that indicate hypogonadism. Second, I would ask your doctor (that is if you trust them, if not go to a different doctor) about the symptoms you described here like testicular atrophy and reduced ejaculate. The first tests done in looking into a diagnosis of hypogonadism is Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone. If either of those are low (especially Free Testosterone and even if low-normal) you should have those test repeated with the addition of testing LH and FSH at a minimum. If Total T and Free T are again low and LH and FSH come back high, which would be expected if the surgery did damage to your testicles, then you would likely have primary hypogonadism caused by the surgery. If they come back normal then your problem isn't related to hypogonadism. I will say that testicular atrophy does indicate that it could be possible though. Anyhow, I'd check those things out and let us know what you find out. If I've missed something I'm sure someone on this board will correct my omission or mistake as the case may be. About going on hCG: I get the sense that you have not been diagnosed yet with hypogonadism and is why I suggested the above directions. The reason for this is that you don't want to take hCG unless you have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. There are some issues that cam arise with unnecessary hCG treatment that you don't want. You want to be sure of your diagnosis before starting any therapy. Use of hCG can stimulate testicular function but it's effectiveness depends on the nature and extent of any damage to your testicles. Some people with no testicular function take hCG but not to stimulate their testicles, I believe it's for other physiological processes in the body. You desire seems to return size and function to your testies which may or may not be possible with hCG depending on your clinical situation. You need to find out if you have hypogonadism first and what is causing it if possible. Only then should you start a treatment with hormones, IMO. P.S. I'm not in the medical profession so please make sure you consult your trusted licensed medical professional. These comments are just based on my experience and knowledge on the subject. Good luck to you! > My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help > Ron > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 > Thanks axon, > I am blocking these messages like crazy into a Word Document so I can ruminate over them for a few weeks as I learn a bit about the subject. I am amazingly dum on this subject. > Ron Hines DVM PhD Ron, We customarily refer new members to the aace clinical guidelines to get guys up to speed. http://www.aace.com/clin/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf This is also helpful: http://merck.micromedex.com/index.asp?page=bpm_report & article_id=CPM02EN318 & sect\ ion=report Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Ron Low T make you feel like your Depressed the first 5 yrs. I had low T they could not find it and told me I am suffering from Major Depression and becaues I was on sick leave from work I had to go alone with this to keep my job. Five yrs later after being on every AD med out there I started on a new one Prozac taking this did something to my prostate and I had a hard time voiding and got a bad bladder infection. I was sent to a Uro that told me to get off them meds. that he feels I have low T and he was right. Taking Antidepressants and having low T make you sicker the AD meds can make you T levels go lower and your E2 " Estradiol " go higher. I lost five yrs of my live on them meds walking around in a fog. Here is a good link on this your problem could be the same as mine when I got off AD meds and started on TRT I got back to work after 5 yrs. http://www.priory.com/psych/sexdys.htm In my case the T meds I started on drove up my E2 levels as I got older by the time I was 50 I had bad ED and could not reach an orgasm. My prostate has a low ache and I had trouble with baldde infections one after the other like 7 a yr. I started having panic attacks in the middler of the night. And would break out in a rash in the same spots that would not go away for months. All of this was from high E2 Estradiol. You need to get this tested. Now after 10 yrs of using a pump and a cock ring to keep my wife happy I can have sex anytime she is willing and reach an orgasm I am 61. Here are two good links on this. http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm I hope this helps you. Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: Dear Phil, Thanks for your rapid response. I am not on any medications other than some antidepressants and some oxycontin - I have a very old spinal cord injury. I was tested about two years ago and my testosterone was said to be low. I do not remember the figure. I did try the patch and weekly testosterone injections but I did not feel that they increased my libido or my ejaculate. Ron Hines DVM PhD http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm Re: Testicular atrophy Hi Ron are you on Testosterone Meds. If not you don't want to fool with this Hcg or Testosterone unless you get tested and find out you are low. Read message #14939 at the bottom of the artical is some info on Hcg. And read this link. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Phil, We are the same age. I am so happy I found you and this group. My mood crashed 6 years ago after my vassectomy. I was 55 years old at the time and my wife was insisting on another baby. I already had six children. So I rushed out for the vasectomy. There was alot of trauma during that procedure and my scrotum turned almost black with absorbed blood but I do not recall much postsurgical pain. I was put on massive amounts of selective seritonin uptake inhibitors with little effect. Perhaps my low Testosterone has nothing to do with that - I do not know. I did begin to feel lots of pain in my epididimus(s) subsequent to the operation and two years later it was so bad that I had a second physician do a vasectomy reversal. After that the pain stopped immediately. He told me he found a granuloma-like lump in each epididimus at the point the vas defferens was ligated. He shelled them out and sew the vas defferens back to the remaining proximal portion. Until now, I had thought that my lack of sperm was due to some form of autoimmune reaction within the testicles for which there was no cure. But after reading all your mail, perhaps this is not so. There are six endocrinologists listed in the Rio Grande Valley (mexican border) phone book and when my medical insurance kicks in in October I will go strait to one. I will quiz their secretaries as to whether they know all the buz words that you use. I suppose the first thing to do is get the FSH, LH and serum testosterone levels checked. What is a normal level of these hormones in a man our age? Then I will stop the antidepressants. And from there let the physician tinker with my hormonal mileux. If you have any more advice for me please give it when you find the time. . Ron Hines DVM PhD http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm Re: Testicular atrophy Hi Ron are you on Testosterone Meds. If not you don't want to fool with this Hcg or Testosterone unless you get tested and find out you are low. Read message #14939 at the bottom of the artical is some info on Hcg. And read this link. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I will help you as much as I can I would hate to see anyone go though the shit I did. I have had this problem for over 21 yrs. now and just this yr. I am back to my old self. Your Total and Free T levels should be up in the upper 1/3 of the labs range. I don't feel good unless my levels are at the top. You have found a new home here take you time and learn as much as you can this is the trick to getting good treatment. Get the book by Dr. Shippen called " The Testosterone Syndrome " reading this will put you up with us old timers. I have no dought in my mind you will be in good shape by the end of this yr. Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: Dear Phil, We are the same age. I am so happy I found you and this group. My mood crashed 6 years ago after my vassectomy. I was 55 years old at the time and my wife was insisting on another baby. I already had six children. So I rushed out for the vasectomy. There was alot of trauma during that procedure and my scrotum turned almost black with absorbed blood but I do not recall much postsurgical pain. I was put on massive amounts of selective seritonin uptake inhibitors with little effect. Perhaps my low Testosterone has nothing to do with that - I do not know. I did begin to feel lots of pain in my epididimus(s) subsequent to the operation and two years later it was so bad that I had a second physician do a vasectomy reversal. After that the pain stopped immediately. He told me he found a granuloma-like lump in each epididimus at the point the vas defferens was ligated. He shelled them out and sew the vas defferens back to the remaining proximal portion. Until now, I had thought that my lack of sperm was due to some form of autoimmune reaction within the testicles for which there was no cure. But after reading all your mail, perhaps this is not so. There are six endocrinologists listed in the Rio Grande Valley (mexican border) phone book and when my medical insurance kicks in in October I will go strait to one. I will quiz their secretaries as to whether they know all the buz words that you use. I suppose the first thing to do is get the FSH, LH and serum testosterone levels checked. What is a normal level of these hormones in a man our age? Then I will stop the antidepressants. And from there let the physician tinker with my hormonal mileux. If you have any more advice for me please give it when you find the time. . Ron Hines DVM PhD http://www.2ndchance.info/consultation.htm Re: Testicular atrophy Hi Ron are you on Testosterone Meds. If not you don't want to fool with this Hcg or Testosterone unless you get tested and find out you are low. Read message #14939 at the bottom of the artical is some info on Hcg. And read this link. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 Phil Ron Hines <rhines@...> wrote: My testicles have shrunken to half their previous size subsequent to a vasectomy. When I realized what was happening I had a vasectomy reversal done. However, I am still aspermic with very little ejaculate. Might HCG treatment help reverse this condition. Are there other medications that might? I am in a little Texas border town. Can anyone supply me with the dosages of HCG that are commonly used for this condition and the frequency of injections? Are they generally given subcutaneously or intramuscularly? Thanks for the help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've been on TRT for something like 7 years and can't say that I've noticed any atrophy. --- colinpaulturner <colinpaulturner@...> wrote: > Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone > injections who > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a > result of therapy? > > test'; " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I've been on androgel almost 6 years, and my testicles are almost gone also. Very alarming! Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? > > > > > > > http://geocities.com/flyinresorts/blog.html > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 HCG should help restore the initial size as it sends message to the balls to make some T while conflicting with the Androgel or injections. It is a good method that has worked well for me. Finding the right Androgel dosage is the key. I am now on 1/2 pack a day + 50 Unit of HCG 3 times a week. My level should be around 700 or 800 (dont have the test back yet). With 1 pack I was at 1400 which is not good and causing freaky E2 level to go way up along with hematocrit. My Eurologist refuses to prescribe a blood draw, so I must go see a Endo as well to take care of that. It aint easy right now as E2 was so high I have been in a contant state of anxiety and popping Xanax. That isnt good either. But what can you do? It will get better soon! Good luck to all of you guys. I just had confirmation form my new Eurologist tha very little interest exists for our condition and their way of dealing with the desease reveals either contempt, distrust, ignorance or pure asswholeness (is that a word? now it is). Ciao --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Read this link to a post I just did. /message/41924 Hugh <hcarr2002@...> wrote: I've been on androgel almost 6 years, and my testicles are almost gone also. Very alarming! Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? > > > > > > > http://geocities.com/flyinresorts/blog.html > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 You need to stop seeing Endo's they are not good Dr.'s for low testosteone try to find a Dr. from this list of links. Every where I post many boards men have big problems with Endo's. American Academy of Osteopathy Find an osteopath in US and some other countries http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/findphys.cfm Find an osteopath http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main General Osteopathic Council Find an osteopath in almost any country http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/find_osteo/ Healthfinder Find an osteopath near you in the US. Also links to site to explain what an osteopath is. http://www.healthfinder.gov/Scripts/SearchContext.asp?topic=3786 *I recommend avoiding osteopathic endos. They seem to be the same as regular endos. Stephan Pochet <spochet@...> wrote: HCG should help restore the initial size as it sends message to the balls to make some T while conflicting with the Androgel or injections. It is a good method that has worked well for me. Finding the right Androgel dosage is the key. I am now on 1/2 pack a day + 50 Unit of HCG 3 times a week. My level should be around 700 or 800 (dont have the test back yet). With 1 pack I was at 1400 which is not good and causing freaky E2 level to go way up along with hematocrit. My Eurologist refuses to prescribe a blood draw, so I must go see a Endo as well to take care of that. It aint easy right now as E2 was so high I have been in a contant state of anxiety and popping Xanax. That isnt good either. But what can you do? It will get better soon! Good luck to all of you guys. I just had confirmation form my new Eurologist tha very little interest exists for our condition and their way of dealing with the desease reveals either contempt, distrust, ignorance or pure asswholeness (is that a word? now it is). Ciao --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? Olsson. would u like to write to me at begun@... likae to speak to you, pls Berth > > > > > > > http://geocities.com/flyinresorts/blog.html > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 In my experience its gradual *like how to boil a frog. Have you measured them? My Uro said mine were not the " worst " he had seen yet a sonogram measured them as 6 mL which is far from normal for an adult. > > > Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone > > injections who > > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a > > result of therapy? > > > > > > > > > test'; " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 My Urologist also made noises like that. My GP said concern over my testicles shrinking and sliding up into my inguinal canals is just a form of " Body Image " that women have had for years and years. If it bothers you *thats normal. If you want to resolve it you should not be treated like your insane. Is there anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG update. Print it show it to your Dr. Also this link backs up what Dr. does. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 sam grogan <swg1802@...> wrote: any one know what sort of angle I can approach my Dr. with so i can get HCG?...... <legrandchat@...> wrote: Hi, a lot of folks here do a little hcg... ~250iu the 2 days before your shot. Is there > anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Randy, " balls that feel alive (difficult to explain) " ..... I know exactly what you mean. When I started T my balls went from the " pleasure zone " to the " dead zone " . My theory is however much they were producing was completly shut down by the T injections and they weren't doing much other than hanging around. Additionally, T gave my libido an increase but nothing like what happened with the T/HCG combo. Dave Randy McCaffrey <randy_mccaffrey@...> wrote: Hi Sam, I took " A Recipe for Success and the HCG update " to my Endro with the part high lighted that states that... " no man wants to see his testicles shrink. " My doctor looked at me with a smile/grin and said that he agreed with the statement. I was the first male that he prescribed HCG for and with my success he has prescribed to for a couple of other patients. I think you have to address the issue man to man... not patient to doctor when dealing with shrinking testes. When you are on TRT maintaining your testicle mass is a psychological issue as well as one of body image. The cost of HCG " Novarel " is about $55 per month that is not covered by my insurance. However, to have firm full size balls that feel alive (difficult to explain) it is well worth it. Good Luck! Randy sam grogan <swg1802@...> wrote: any one know what sort of angle I can approach my Dr. with so i can get HCG?...... <legrandchat@...> wrote: Hi, a lot of folks here do a little hcg... ~250iu the 2 days before your shot. Is there > anyone here on either gels or testosterone injections who > > *hasn't* suffered from testicular atrophy as a result of therapy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Games. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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