Re: I Am Starting Arimidex Finely and An Update Dr.'s Visit.

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Good for you. Arimidex does not seem to work real well for me so my

Doc has me on Femera. Working out real well for me.

y

> First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows about

> using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

>

> The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood test

> today was higher then last month.

> My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

>

> I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted to try

> Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what have we

> got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not pay

for

> it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not pay

> for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my Insurance to

> pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for it no

> problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on Mon.,

> Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> shoulders.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

> First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows about

> using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

>

> The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood test

> today was higher then last month.

> My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

>

> I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted to try

> Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what have we

> got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not pay for

> it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not pay

> for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my Insurance to

> pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for it no

> problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on Mon.,

> Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> shoulders.

> Phil

Did you ask him how Avodart was supposed to lower estradiol? To my

knowledge it is a 5AR drug like proscar. I would be interested to

know what the estradiol lowering mechanism of action is thought to be.

More people seem disappointed rather than pleased with DIM or at least

that was the impression I was left with from old messages. I thought

the Evista was supposed to block estradiol at the receptor instead of

blocking aromatase. If so, you wouldn't expect a change in blood levels.

I suspect that arimidex for men is too rarely prescribed to have yet

hit BCBS's radar screen.

Since your test level is slightly above the reference range, I am not

sure we should be surprised by an estradiol level that is also

slightly out of range.

Good luck with the arimidex.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Brad999us wrote... " I suspect that arimidex for men is too rarely prescribed

to have yet hit BCBS's radar screen. "

Brad, I've been on Arimidex since Aug 2001 and BCBS has covered it without

question.

OR eon

[Guest guest]

> Brad999us wrote... " I suspect that arimidex for men is too rarely

prescribed

> to have yet hit BCBS's radar screen. "

>

> Brad, I've been on Arimidex since Aug 2001 and BCBS has covered it

without

> question.

>

> OR eon

Yes, I know. I don't know how you read the remark. My intention was

to speculate that the financial impact of covering arimidex for men

was sufficiently small in the aggregate that BCBS has not yet

considered a policy to routinely deny coverage. Given the gamemanship

and otherwise tightwad atmosphere I suppose anything is possible.

[Guest guest]

I think getting the correct dosing regimin on Arimidex is pretty

important. I have been told that a small amount daily is the best

way to go (1/4 - 1/2 per day). Curious how 1 mg 3 times a week would

work. Keep us updated please.

> First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows about

> using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

>

> The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood test

> today was higher then last month.

> My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

>

> I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted to

try

> Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what have

we

> got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not pay

for

> it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not pay

> for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my Insurance

to

> pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for it

no

> problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on

Mon.,

> Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> shoulders.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

When I took 1 mg daily for 30 days straight my E2 was still in the

high 50s. Works for most though it would seem. My problem seems to

be an over abundance of Aromatase which could be from my high levels

of DHEA. Both High T as well as High DHEA can cause aromatization.

T to E2, DHEA/DHEA-S to E1 (Estrone).

Femera works for me but I think I am going to try lower dosages of

Aromasin.

y

> > First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows about

> > using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

> >

> > The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood

test

> > today was higher then last month.

> > My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> > My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> > My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> > My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

> >

> > I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted to

> try

> > Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what have

> we

> > got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not pay

> for

> > it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not pay

> > for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my Insurance

> to

> > pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> > happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for it

> no

> > problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on

> Mon.,

> > Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> > shoulders.

> > Phil

[Guest guest]

Too bad same thing doesn't work for everyone!

> > > First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows

about

> > > using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

> > >

> > > The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood

> test

> > > today was higher then last month.

> > > My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> > > My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> > > My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> > > My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

> > >

> > > I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted

to

> > try

> > > Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what

have

> > we

> > > got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not

pay

> > for

> > > it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not

pay

> > > for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my

Insurance

> > to

> > > pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> > > happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for

it

> > no

> > > problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on

> > Mon.,

> > > Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> > > shoulders.

> > > Phil

[Guest guest]

armyguy4001,

I started out on 1 mg/dy, after two months Es were down and then I began

experimenting with dosage.

.. . . . . . .Estradiol. . . . . . . . . .Estrogen

9-28-00........................71 (<54)

12-19-00.......................99

2-1-01.........................58

2-9-01.........................52

3-01-01........................96

3-26-01........................50

6-4-01.........................82..............................134 (40 -115)

7-9-00.........................55..............................200

8-2-01.........................87..............................198

Began 1 mg/dy Arimidex

9-29-01........................37...............................85

Began 1 mg Arimidex eod

11-2-01........................59...............................101

Resumed 1 mg Arimidex/dy

12-5-01........................50...............................124

3-11-02........................16................................44

1 mg Arimidex for two days....one day off

4-29-02........................27................................73

7-3-02.. . . . . . . . . . . ..52. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .112

Began Basic (7%) ChryDim Gel....Oct 16th '00

Began Super (10%) ChryDim Gel....Dec 25th'00

I began Arimidex on Aug 2nd '01 - I also began 10 gm AndroGel/dy then. I

think that most of my T > E conversion came from high free T when I was

Injecting 100 mg Depo/wk

Blood collected 8th day after last injection of 100 mg Depo-Testosterone

on...

June 4th '01

.. . .Testosterone

.. . . . . .Total . . . . . . . . 989 (241 - 827) . . . . .

.. . . . . .Free. . . . . . . . .42.0 (6.6 - 18.1)

July 9th '01

.. . . . ..Total . . . . . . . . . 774

.. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . . .38.8

Some of my recent lab results:

June 20th '03

Serum T 656

%FWBT 39.2

FWBT 257.1

Estradiol 41

Estrogens 53

Sex hormone

Binding globulin 36 (13 - 71

DHEA 285 men 60 - 69 (82-338)

T/E2 ratio = 16 (10 - 22)

Aug 15th '03

Testosterone 809

%FWBT 38

FWBT 307.4

Estradiol 28

DHEA 275 Males: 60 - 69 yrs 83 - 338

T/E2 ratio 809/28 = 28.

I no longer have estrogens measured as IMO estradiol is the most important

and gives me the number to calculate T/E2 ratio.

Just my experiences...

OR eon

GayMan

Re: I Am Starting Arimidex Finely and An Update

Dr.'s Visit.

I think getting the correct dosing regimin on Arimidex is pretty

important. I have been told that a small amount daily is the best

way to go (1/4 - 1/2 per day). Curious how 1 mg 3 times a week would

work. Keep us updated please.

> First thing my Dr. wants me to ask you guys if anyone knows about

> using Avdoart(dutasteride) for lowering E2.

>

> The Zinc, Evista and DIM did not faze my E2 levels. My blood test

> today was higher then last month.

> My Free T. is >50 range 7.2 - 23 pg/ml was 28.0.

> My Total T. is 1600 range is 262 - 1593 ng/dl was 799.

> My Estrogen total is 539 range is <200 was 464.

> My Estradiol is 66.3 range is <20 - 56 pg/ml was 63.1.

>

> I had to go to war with my Dr. to give me Arimidex he wanted to

try

> Avdoart. I told him after all the things I have tried what have

we

> got to lose. He then came back saying that my BCBS will not pay

for

> it. I told him all I want to do is try it. If they will not pay

> for it I will pay. And if it works then I will get my Insurance

to

> pay for it. So I was off to the Drug store to see what would

> happen. And as it turns out my Insurance is going to pay for it

no

> problem. I start tomorrow taking one half of a 1 mg. pill on

Mon.,

> Wed. and Fri. You can't believe what a weight this is off my

> shoulders.

> Phil