Re: Re: Saliva Test Results

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:29:21 -0000, you wrote:

>Progesterone 648 pmo/L range = 24 to 104

>

>Could using Androgel cause Progesterone to be so out of whack? I did

>a couple of quick web searchs but still haven't really come to an

>understanding of progesterone is and does, but it seems to be a good

>thing, balancing estrogens, providing energy, preventing DHT, etc.

>Too much of a good thing is usually bad, though.

Not finding much either.

Did find this:

The studies that show that Vitex elevates progesterone are conducted

on women. The one study I know about that reviews progestagenic

affects on men shows no increase, which is what was expected. To

increase progesterone in males, you'd have to somehow coax the adrenal

glands to pump more out, which is impossible with Vitex.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:vhVjCx_JfhQJ:www.t-nation.com/nation_articl\

es/171bts.html+%22+progesterone+levels+in+males%22 & hl=en

This suggests you may have an adrenal gland issue.

Did find this indicating it may be stress related or from increased by

some antidepressants:

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/285/2/579

Acute effects of fluoxetine and swim stress on corticosterone and

progesterone secretion. Other investigators previously have observed

that swim stress can increase progesterone as well as corticosterone

secretion (Purdy et al., 1991). Although acute fluoxetine has been

reported to increase corticosterone secretion (Stark et al., 1985;

Fuller and Snoddy, 1990), our data are the first to demonstrate that

acute fluoxetine administration also induces secretion of

progesterone. Increased progesterone secretion during the menstrual

cycle and administration of synthetic progesterone in oral

contraceptives have been associated with depressive illness in some

women (Backstrom, 1995; Crammer, 1986; Wagner and Berenson, 1994).

However, many women do not experience depression while taking

progestins in oral contraceptives, and anecdotal evidence suggests

that the high levels of progesterone that exist during pregnancy are

associated with a state of well-being. Thus, additional work is

required to determine the psychophysiological consequences of

alterations in progesterone levels in males and females. Little is

known about the functional consequences of increased progesterone

secretion in males, but plasma-derived progesterone can serve as a

precursor in the brain for the synthesis of potent neuroactive

steroids which can affect gamma -aminobutyric acid-mediated

neurotransmission (Majewska et al., 1986; Morrow et al., 1987; Purdy

et al., 1991; and Purdy, 1992). Such data indicate that

adrenal-derived progesterone in males could be neurochemically

relevant.

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[Guest guest]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:32:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>You should be taking Zinc anyway we men are not getting it from are diet.

>http://store./vitanet/zincop100cnt.html

Though someone recently posted something about adverse effects from

getting too much.

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[Guest guest]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:29:21 -0000, you wrote:

>Also, you could argue that my E2 is twice normal (the mid point of the

>range), is it enough out of whack to really worry about and try to get

>Armidex

Definitely.

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[Guest guest]

Good point to much of anything is not good. My Dr. is starting to check this in

my blood tests.

Phil

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:32:54 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>You should be taking Zinc anyway we men are not getting it from are diet.

>http://store./vitanet/zincop100cnt.html

Though someone recently posted something about adverse effects from

getting too much.

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Just another albino black sheep